The Jared Gaither Thread **Merged**

[Rampage]

I would like to invite you to join a new religion Alexander. Gaitherism is founded upon the belief that the grass is always greener in someone else's pasture. For your orientation dinner we will be serving someone else's scraps from the very best local restaurants.

How many will be in your party?

"Gaitherism" :laugh2:

 

[unionjack8]

Why do people keep saying this? They put a 1st round tender on him. That's not exactly a cheap price to pay.

finally, somebody who understands the logic of RFA's.
Nobody is trying to get rid of anybody.

 

[Doomsday]

Starting from the 4:45 mark when Free was actually in the game, he basically got pushed around by Allen and others, went inside and let Witten block Allen on a sack (I have no idea why), held quite a bit actually from what I saw, ended up on his behind in one play and had a ball batted down while being bull-rushed by Allen in another. I certainly didn't come away impressed by his performance at LT in this particular video.

Witten already stated that he was suppose to funnel Allen back inside on that play but he didnt get the job done.

 

[casmith07]

Throw out the draft choice and look at Gaither if he were completely unrestricted.

Would you feel confident handing him a huge contract and the left tackle job?

I wouldn't, not given his red flags.

I still wouldn't. I think the draft pick gives me more reason for pause than it would if he were a complete UFA, but I still wouldn't want to. If Baltimore had him starting at LT for a few years, drafted Oher to play RT, and then decided to dump Gaither in favor of Oher at LT...obviously Baltimore must feel they'll be alright playing against teams like Pittsburgh next season despite potentially letting Gaither go.

I would much rather take the New England approach to things - draft well, develop young talent with good coaching, and then watch your team full of "unknowns" go on to win 3 of 4 Super Bowls in a decade. New England has something absurd like 11 draft picks per draft for the next two years, including multiple first round picks.

 

[peplaw06]

What does it matter? It'll get tossed out the window.

Do you always run like a little ***** when your opinions are challenged? My guess is you didn't even read what I said because it had a couple of 3-syllable words in it.

 

[Alexander]

I would much rather take the New England approach to things - draft well, develop young talent with good coaching, and then watch your team full of "unknowns" go on to win 3 of 4 Super Bowls in a decade. New England has something absurd like 11 draft picks per draft for the next two years, including multiple first round picks.

And interestingly enough, the Ravens are doing the same thing.

They want a pick for Gaither to give them two low firsts. Then they could attack this very deep draft.

 

[peplaw06]

Pretty ironic coming from one who agrees with theo's use of subjective stats to validate Ken Hamlin.

Once again, did I say numbers should be thrown out?

There are logical arguments to be made against numbers when they are this subjective. It's not as black and white as some numbers. And in the specific debate with theo, he understands the logical arguments and can actually debate them. You and SLATE?? Not so much...

 

[casmith07]

And interestingly enough, the Ravens are doing the same thing.

They want a pick for Gaither to give them two low firsts. Then they could attack this very deep draft.

You're absolutely correct. I'm hoping Jerry, Stephen & Co. are also thinking along the same lines and don't throw away anymore draft picks on players. If you think about it there was about 10 years or so between the Galloway and Roy Williams trades, so we know Jerry's got it out of his system until around 2019 :laugh2:

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

. I NEVER said he gave up sacks. PLease quote me where i did. I gave this board information as the penalties he gave up then i mentioned the pass rushers he had played against. Nowhere did i say he did/did not give up sacks.
And if thats all you do then you have no standing in this argment.

You're right he has never ever given up a sack.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy, you do know that 6 of those games for free were at RIGHT TACKLE while ALL of Gaithers games were at LEFT TACKLE?

Do you understand that Free was giving up sacks at HALF the rate of Gaither?

DOUG FREE ONLY GAVE UP ONE SACK LAST YEAR.

Now all of you Gaitherites have been trotting around with these stats and ahnd but when one of ours puts up great numbers you try and discount it.

Free is the best OL prospect we have had since well Flozell Adams, maybe even Larry Allen and you guys run around bagging on him for a Baltimore Raven.

Piss poor fellas, piss poor.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Oher's contract is not excessive. It is your typical first round contract. They do not only not want to pay, but they have specific designs to move Gaither. That speaks volumes. If they wanted to keep him at left tackle, and money was the sole issue, they would have taken steps to work around it. They are not, presumeably because they do not feel he is worth it.


I don't think he's terrible. I just do not think he is the second coming of Jonathan Ogden or really worth the steep price of a first round choice. Apparently, neither do the Ravens. I have a feeling they would be very happy to take the first round choice for him.

Right now, we do not know if we can or cannot get a better alternative via the draft. Now if we are sitting on the clock at 27, really want a tackle and have the choice of sending the Ravens the pick rather than take the sixth or seventh best tackle in this draft, I might think about it.

If they were willing to trade him for a lower choice, I would not be opposed. But I would not pretend he's an answer because there is enough evidence about his durability and work ethic to give me some doubt.

The Ravens signed Oher to a 5 year $ 15.75 million dollar contract last year. So essentially they have him locked for 4 more years at a tad over $3 mill.

Its also not like they have money tied up into their oline either. Their highest paid player is Birk at 3 year $12mil in 09. Apparently, they think that the Ravens don't want to resign who they think is the best young tackle in the game in an uncapped year.

 

[casmith07]

Fuzzy just killin' em with the facts. I love it.

 

[Cover 2]

If it's true that the Ravens don't want to pay Gaither left tackle money to play right tackle, then there is a good chance this could be Gaither's last year with the Ravens. So instead of throwing a 1st away on this guy, we should be patient and hope he's in free agency next year.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Fuzzy just killin' em with the facts. I love it.

and you sittin back like a little girl making one liners

I love it.

 

[burmafrd]

Fuzzy, you do know the difference in Right Tackle and Left Tackle?

As in its the LEFT TACKLE that faces the best pass rushers?

So fuzzy why don't you look at who Gaither faced at LT vs who Free faced at RT.
Then keep spouting off and looking uninformed at best.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

:laugh2: I don't really care about Gaither one way or another, but I do want to point out that this thread is pure entertainment.

 

[casmith07]

and you sittin back like a little girl making one liners

I love it.

I'm just pulling a SLATEmosphere/Catch 17. And you took the bait. Hook, line, and sinker :starspin

 

[casmith07]

Fuzzy, you do know the difference in Right Tackle and Left Tackle?

As in its the LEFT TACKLE that faces the best pass rushers?

So fuzzy why don't you look at who Gaither faced at LT vs who Free faced at RT.
Then keep spouting off and looking uninformed at best.

Fuzzy's continually mentioned that Free did very well against Jared Allen at Left Tackle against the Vikings.

Next.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Do you always run like a little ***** when your opinions are challenged? My guess is you didn't even read what I said because it had a couple of 3-syllable words in it.

Dude, I gave you very subjective stats. You called me on the "gaither has less sacks given up the last two years than adams" statement I made. I have you sacks given up,QB pressures and QB hits. ****ing subjective

I came back and showed you that was in fact true.

You come back bashing the source aka showing weakness.

Meanwhile that source I was using that was being questioned by you, was the SAME source that theo used when defending Hamlin the other night. IIRC you were on theo's side. So you sure didn't have any problems when theo used it. But the minute I use it for my argument it gets tossed out the window.

Get served.Get owned. Get the rope.

 

[casmith07]

You do know the difference between subjective and objective, right?