The Lance trade was the best Jerry move of all time

[CCBoy]

Jeez buddy what are you talking about? Your posts have quite a lot of gibberish. Good luck.

You still investing in real estate or wearing fancy shoes? This is nothing more than your trips in abstract. I don't don't start with insult as my basis, but respond to your own vanities and owning up to no real discussion but your own form of a hero worship. Don't even bother to defend your actions further. I don't buy your own hero worship and insults of Jerry and now myself, as moraly sound.

My comment to you is woooptie do...neither you or Jimmy Johnson walked on water. Ever seen a panda...don't worry, you don't compare to their popularity. You went out of your way to get such comments. Way to go, Jimmy worshiper.

Only your mantra isn't an ooooooohhhhhhhmmmmmm!

Jimmy was a part, but not with ownership...and that you don't have ownership to claim.

Now act like you are unable to understand a direct slap in your face....poor show here.

 

[Cowboys5217]

You do have to tip the hat to P.T. Jones. He's got the whole football world talking about this non stop since the deal was announced.

 

[TwoDeep3]

That was Jimmy. Please be better.

That was Jerry. Jimmy was livid about that move by Jerry.

 

[Whyjerry]

High ceiling? According to whom?

Guy was the 3rd player taken. SF gave up 3 number 1s to grab him. His 2019 season at NDST was remarkable. He is highly thought of still.

 

[CCBoy]

You still investing in real estate or wearing fancy shoes? This is nothing more than your trips in abstract. I don't don't start with insult as my basis, but respond to your own vanities and owning up to no real discussion but your own form of a hero worship. Don't even bother to defend your actions further. I don't buy your own hero worship and insults of Jerry and now myself, as moraly sound.

My comment to you is woooptie do...neither you or Jimmy Johnson walked on water. Ever seen a panda...don't worry, you don't compare to their popularity. You went out of your way to get such comments. Way to go, Jimmy worshiper.

Only your mantra isn't an ooooooohhhhhhhmmmmmm!

Jimmy was a part, but not with ownership...and that you don't have ownership to claim.

Now act like you are unable to understand a direct slap in your face....poor show here.

Two don't's...repeating a single word was not appropriate in the original post. For that I apologize, not for a realistic discussion.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Jerry doesn’t get credit for the Jimmy deals. Sorry. Since 1996 he has been involved with some of the dumbest moves a GM can make. This was a brilliant low risk trade. It was a great move. Sorry you disagree.

Both Jerry and Jimmy get credit for the Herschel Walker deal. Jimmy negotiated it, but Jerry approved it. He had the power to say "no" if he had wanted to. He totally could have said that Walker was such a great player that he wasn't letting him go.
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You're also not telling the full story about Jerry's deals. Yes, he's made some terrible, especially the Joey Galloway one and the Roy Williams (WR) one, but he's made some smart moves. He passed on Johnny Football in favor of building up our O-line. He got us the WR we needed in Amari Cooper, granted, he screwed it up later by overpaying some players so he eventually couldn't afford to keep him. People slam Jerry, and he definitely has made some bad mistakes, but it's a mis-characterization to paint him as an owner who has made nothing but mistakes.
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And you can claim that Jerry deserves no credit at all for the Herschel Walker trade, but if you do you're not living in reality. He was the owner and GM, which meant that deal could only happen with his stamp of approval. It would have been impossible for Jimmy to make a deal that Jerry did not okay. Oh, and Jimmy did a great job, yes, but he wasn't perfect. He missed an opportunity to get Junior Seau. Jimmy also was ready to draft James Francis instead of Emmitt Smith, but it was by sheer dumb luck that he wasn't able to get him and instead went with his second choice. Does this mean Jimmy was stupid? Of course not. It's just that the evaluation of players is not an exact science, and no one knows for certain which ones will pan out. You therefore make educated guesses.
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And, yes, the Trey Lance deal is a good move in that it's low risk/high reward, but it remains to be seen whether end ends up in high reward or if it's a "oh, well, was worth a try." Every deal that is made is an educated guess.

 

[CCBoy]

Both Jerry and Jimmy get credit for the Herschel Walker deal. Jimmy negotiated it, but Jerry approved it. He had the power to say "no" if he had wanted to. He totally could have said that Walker was such a great player that he wasn't letting him go.
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You're also not telling the full story about Jerry's deals. Yes, he's made some terrible, especially the Joey Galloway one and the Roy Williams (WR) one, but he's made some smart moves. He passed on Johnny Football in favor of building up our O-line. He got us the WR we needed in Amari Cooper, granted, he screwed it up later by overpaying some players so he eventually couldn't afford to keep him. People slam Jerry, and he definitely has made some bad mistakes, but it's a mis-characterization to paint him as an owner who has made nothing but mistakes.
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And you can claim that Jerry deserves no credit at all for the Herschel Walker trade, but if you do you're not living in reality. He was the owner and GM, which meant that deal could only happen with his stamp of approval. It would have been impossible for Jimmy to make a deal that Jerry did not okay. Oh, and Jimmy did a great job, yes, but he wasn't perfect. He missed an opportunity to get Junior Seau. Jimmy also was ready to draft James Francis instead of Emmitt Smith, but it was by sheer dumb luck that he wasn't able to get him and instead went with his second choice. Does this mean Jimmy was stupid? Of course not. It's just that the evaluation of players is not an exact science, and no one knows for certain which ones will pan out. You therefore make educated guesses.
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And, yes, the Trey Lance deal is a good move in that it's low risk/high reward, but it remains to be seen whether end ends up in high reward or if it's a "oh, well, was worth a try." Every deal that is made is an educated guess.

McCarthy’s Involvement With Lance Acquisition​

McCarthy said that he was involved in the evaluation for Lance but is not involved in the business aspect of things.

When asked if his input was strong enough to push the decision to be made, he said he has a routine he follows as part of the process with Will McClay, Jerry Jones, and Stephen Jones.


“So this was the same process that we went through and, you know, and I think once it gets to the business component of it, the value and so forth, you know, those decisions come down to Jerry and Stephen,” said McCarthy.

As for what McCarthy’s evaluation was for Lance, he said the biggest thing he realized was Lance’s athletic ability.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/...ster-game-planning-regular-season-opener-nfl/



This is what Jerry's policy has been since he took ownership...no matter what some fans claim as contractual realities.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Both individuals were involved. Jimmy was the better scout and Jerry had the contacts in league ownerships and the better deal maker.

Jimmy certainly wants people to think it as all him as evidenced by his taking credit for inventing McVoy's trade chart and his shenanigans to dishonor his contract.

 

[CowboyRoy]

It is not a blockbuster trade, but Dak needs more pressure and this is a break season for him, if it fizzles out below expectations then we may conclude that a so so QB for big money will be worth replacing with a so so QB for small money, the Cap can go to other areas for the time being until big deal QB comes along. That could be Dak this year, but I feel it is last chance Saloon for Dak is this year and operation replacement will be underway if he doesn't blow people off the field on 3rd down.

This is 100% not a make or break season for Dak. Even though you probably wish it was. Lance is not any kind of pressure for Dak.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Picked up a cheap 23 year old, high ceiling QB prospect for a 4th rounder. Huge asymmetry on this one boys and girls.

Best Jerry trade of all time. Prove me wrong.

Keep drinking that Jerry Jones Kool-aid.....

 

[CowboyRoy]

Who’s getting hyped up. You’re the one a little bit out of control. I’m just saying it’s not a bad thing and it isn’t. Shanahan shanahan still wants him. There is Super Bowl ready team. They don’t have the patience for him to develop. What’s your problem?

Dont worry...........Rocky just hasnt seen Lance with a star on his helmet yet. Once he does, he will be in love with him just like all the rest.

 

[CowboyRoy]

McCarthy’s Involvement With Lance Acquisition​

McCarthy said that he was involved in the evaluation for Lance but is not involved in the business aspect of things.

When asked if his input was strong enough to push the decision to be made, he said he has a routine he follows as part of the process with Will McClay, Jerry Jones, and Stephen Jones.


“So this was the same process that we went through and, you know, and I think once it gets to the business component of it, the value and so forth, you know, those decisions come down to Jerry and Stephen,” said McCarthy.

As for what McCarthy’s evaluation was for Lance, he said the biggest thing he realized was Lance’s athletic ability.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/...ster-game-planning-regular-season-opener-nfl/



This is what Jerry's policy has been since he took ownership...no matter what some fans claim as contractual realities.

We keep seeing jerry do things in the MM era that he has either been strongly against or hasnt done in a long time. And the team has gotten better because of it.

-The importance of the safety position
-Drafting a DT high
-The importance of multiple TE's that are quality blockers
-Acquiring a young talented QB in a developmental role
-Moving on from Zeke and having more of a RB by committee than one back to do it all.

 

[Whyjerry]

Keep drinking that Jerry Jones Kool-aid.....

Hah I despise Jerry. I rip him constantly here. That said this was a good trade.

You aren’t one of those dummies that can’t alter an opinion when presented with new facts are you?

 

[Bluefin]

That was Jerry. Jimmy was livid about that move by Jerry.

Very true.

Jimmy Johnson didn't believe San Francisco would trade Charles Haley to the Cowboys.

Jerry Jones was on point for that trade.

The beloved Owner/President/GM also consummated the Herschel Walker trade.

Despite the Cowboys being broke at the time, Jerry wrote a $1.25M check to Walker to accept the trade.

 

[OGSixshooter]

jerry thinks he just bought the next romo lol.
Jerry thought JG was the next tom landry too.
Just jerry being an idiot again lol.

Not necessarily. I don't know too many around the league who don't think this was "glory-holing" per se. I think this was a reasonable "plunge" on a high talent, high character guy. The only question is can he put it together. If Dak gets hurt - and I think he will from trying too hard - and Lance comes in and wins games...

it's not that far-fetched.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

McCarthy’s Involvement With Lance Acquisition​

McCarthy said that he was involved in the evaluation for Lance but is not involved in the business aspect of things.

When asked if his input was strong enough to push the decision to be made, he said he has a routine he follows as part of the process with Will McClay, Jerry Jones, and Stephen Jones.


“So this was the same process that we went through and, you know, and I think once it gets to the business component of it, the value and so forth, you know, those decisions come down to Jerry and Stephen,” said McCarthy.

As for what McCarthy’s evaluation was for Lance, he said the biggest thing he realized was Lance’s athletic ability.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/...ster-game-planning-regular-season-opener-nfl/



This is what Jerry's policy has been since he took ownership...no matter what some fans claim as contractual realities.

This is good to know. Thanks. In general, I want the head coach involved in all player personnel decisions. The head coach should have final say in who gets drafted, traded, traded for, cut, signed off of waivers, signed from free agency, etc. However, I would make an exception if there were some player the owner could get, but he had to act immediately before consulting the coach. It would have to be REALLY a big deal, and he would need to have reasonable belief that the coach would be pleased with the acquisition. That's why, initially when I thought Jerry acted solely on his on on this one, I was okay with it. What if Clint Murchison Jr had been able to land John Elway, but he had to act immediately without consulting Landry? I would have been okay with that. (The team did attempt to get Elway, but it didn't go down as I've described.)
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But, yeah, this is a good thing that McCarthy was in on this. I think Lance will have a better shot at developing in Dallas than he had in San Fran. He doesn't have to jump in immediately and carry the full load. The team has Dak, whom he can learn from. Although I've been critical of some of Dak's mistakes, and of the contract Jerry gave him, I do think he's a highly skilled quarterback, and I hope he has a great season.

 

[DandyDon52]

Not necessarily. I don't know too many around the league who don't think this was "glory-holing" per se. I think this was a reasonable "plunge" on a high talent, high character guy. The only question is can he put it together. If Dak gets hurt - and I think he will from trying too hard - and Lance comes in and wins games...

it's not that far-fetched.

it is possible lance may turn out to be good, but how good? Better than dak?
My question is the "high talent" bit everyone talks about, but there is no nfl proof of that.
Just because he was a high draft pick , doesnt mean he has high talent or will be good on nfl level.

Also mike is not a qb developer, he couldnt do anything with dinucci, and on his own dinucci has become a good qb.
I dont think he made the team at denver, because they are stuck with wilson on a huge contract, and they had already given stidwell a 10 mil contract for 2 years.
So dinucci will go to practice squad.

I think dinucci is better than lance at this point in time.

 

[CCBoy]

This is good to know. Thanks. In general, I want the head coach involved in all player personnel decisions. The head coach should have final say in who gets drafted, traded, traded for, cut, signed off of waivers, signed from free agency, etc. However, I would make an exception if there were some player the owner could get, but he had to act immediately before consulting the coach. It would have to be REALLY a big deal, and he would need to have reasonable belief that the coach would be pleased with the acquisition. That's why, initially when I thought Jerry acted solely on his on on this one, I was okay with it. What if Clint Murchison Jr had been able to land John Elway, but he had to act immediately without consulting Landry? I would have been okay with that. (The team did attempt to get Elway, but it didn't go down as I've described.)
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But, yeah, this is a good thing that McCarthy was in on this. I think Lance will have a better shot at developing in Dallas than he had in San Fran. He doesn't have to jump in immediately and carry the full load. The team has Dak, whom he can learn from. Although I've been critical of some of Dak's mistakes, and of the contract Jerry gave him, I do think he's a highly skilled quarterback, and I hope he has a great season.

Twice, Target! Cease Fire...

Your take is how things have gone down since Jerry had his lessons with San Francisco and then the Raiders back when he was trying to make a team purchase. Jerry did his NFL homework on it's workings and talent useages when mergers of leagues was on the table of business.

Jerry was a leader on insuring a democratic approach to the business. He was on the lead for democracy in the NFL as well as player protections. He even dug in to protect questionable character of those about him. He stood by his players and supported the playing of the sport. Jerry, even over the years, had conversations and given opinions with who he had talked with prior to purchasing the Cowboys. This included as well, those running the Cowboys when he made his purchase itself. Oh, the man knows his stuff and is really top shelf with an overriding principal of trying to present an over riding pride principal of trying to win, each and every season a team is fielded. He goes out of his way to put the actual talent on the field that will give his fans the sense of being in games. After season one, he has done just that. Put talent on the field that is competitive for his fan's benefit and to try to win!

As to Jimmy, he earned his way out. The man was a coach of his time and got his roots in a period of unrestricted college level National Acclaim. He knew of that college level of talent up until around 1992-1993. His use of support elements he attempted to make a personal aspect of his own making...as an extenstion his own vain glory. Team was lost in the effort. Professional and sport both. He lasted about as long in Miami.

He came to work at the discression of Jerry Jones and under that legal purchase document sanctioned by the NFL and the former ownership of the same, Dallas Cowboys.

Jerry could overlook a lot of personal faults, but disloyalty. That Jimmy Johnson failed, both on the business level of legal legitimation, and on his own players level with a professional loyalty to them as well. He intentionally sold both out. I quit rooting all out for Jimmy at the point that I was able to understand that aspect.

I don't think that Benedict Arnold is a reverenced figure in American past now as well.

Jimmy - The man had a great team in his control for 3 years ... with 12+ wins in a row. He had what was considered one of the greatest teams to have played the sport. Agreed.

But he was a victim of his own ego as well...and that doesn't fall back upon Jerry Jones. Hey, he wasn't walking on water as well, but he wasn't as much a show boat as to keeping his reasons to a private level and trying to bring the greatest possible amount of real NFL talents and putting them on the field.

That is why Roger Staubach, and Bob Hayes were Dallas Cowboys as well....the Cowboys franchise had that as it's tradition back from when Murchison fought and won the franchise in Dallas. Presidential Calvacade and all...Try to win.

 

[blueblood70]

But Dallas has found some players round 4. Dak going on yr 9 one of them . The most I would have sent was a 5 . SF hands were tied they made it clear Lance was QB 3

you missed the point this is not a high risk waste of a draft pick I'm sorry you could have bus from rounds one through 7 you can have hits in round one through 7 we have them all over so I'm tired of hearing it it's not a high risk it's not a big deal let's get over it let's get past it... We get it you don't like anything that's Ron washington's way which by the way you should have picked a better name because all I remember is a coke snorting Texas Rangers coach....

 

[blueblood70]

Who’s getting hyped up. You’re the one a little bit out of control. I’m just saying it’s not a bad thing and it isn’t. Shanahan shanahan still wants him. There is Super Bowl ready team. They don’t have the patience for him to develop. What’s your problem?

I agree the Cowboys take him off their hands don't put any pressure on him try to develop him slowly they gave up on him because they didn't want to take the time they feel like their windows open now... People are making a big deal about this trade, I mean they want you to use a fourth or fifth round pick on a quarterback yearly isn't that what this place says this is the same thing they just did it differently.. People keep skipping over there were three or four other teams that were going make the trade, we gave 4th instead of a fifth that's what other people were offering so Jerry stepped up the offer, big deal.