The Morning After

[GimmeTheBall!]

Your right...

Doug Free can't block a guy that is playing w/ one freaking hand....let that sink in.

Last I heard he still has 2 hands.

 

[Clove]

Except many of the same people who are preaching patience were saying this last week - Giants D is garbage even with all their money spent, Dak is a legit QB prospect who will light the Giants up with the talent he has on offense, that Elliott is going to run wild all over them, etc. And when other people suggested that maybe they should slow their roll, they got laughed at as being negative ninnies.

So apparently, overreactions BEFORE a game where people predict domination and pain are OK but overreactions AFTER a game when we look largely inept............ well, we can't have that.​

You mean like you're doing with Philly now. Just admit that you're in love with a career .500 winning QB so we can all move on.​

 

[Sydla]

You mean like you're doing with Philly now. Just admit that you're in love with a career .500 winning QB so we can all move on.​

What in God's name are you babbling about?

 

[Clove]

What in God's name are you babbling about?

If you think hard enough, you might figure it out.

 

[Sydla]

If you think hard enough, you might figure it out.

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.

Wait a second. Are you trying to claim I am being tough on Prescott because I have some sort of love affair with Romo? Please tell me that's not what you are saying.

 

[DallasEast]

Hmm.. Fair enough. They may have made the mistake but would have been punished in a way that they would remember never to something like that again. JG on the other hand just claps and smiles.. and says.. "That's ok".

It's a possibility that Garrett and his staff isn't capable of coaching unnecessary initiative out of players. Regardless of the sport, some coaches and players don't translate lesson and action well despite how qualified either of the two might be but consider two things. First, remember Williams' words following the game:

“In my mind, I was trying to make the first guy miss and then dive out of bounds – but it just didn’t go as planned. I should’ve just followed the rules and went out of bounds,”

That's his initiative talking. It's unnecessary initiative in that situation. He's been taught in his football life before Garrett and while he's been with Garrett to take a sideline pass out of bounds. Not make a guy miss and get out of bounds. Get out of bounds.

Second, this was a difficult lesson for Williams. It was a self-taught lesson. He understands after-the-fact why he should have done what he has always been taught to do. Let's suppose a similar situation confronts Williams again, where his responsibility is running a sideline route with the clock running out and the offense trying to get in position for a field goal (or Hail Mary pass). There are a couple of possibilities that could happen if he makes the catch:

1. He thinks he can make a guy miss.
2. He gets out of bounds as quickly as possible with as many yards as he can safely get before he's tackled.

If he chooses #2, no coach can claim credit for coaching it into Williams to make the right decision because he assimilated the lesson himself through trial-and-error.

If he chooses #1, he did not learn anything in the first place. That's stupidity. I doubt anyone of any qualification could coach that out of a player that boneheaded. This is my concern when I refer to dumb players.

 

[plymkr]

Don't get the dak vs. wentz comparisons.
The eagles paid the price to get wentz( thanks vikes for the rebate)
We gave a 4 round supplemental for dak and he can play. If anyone wants to to make a comparison it should be made to Goff.
If wentz turns out to be legit how does Jeff fisher not get shredded

This is a very good point. Why is Dak being compared to Wentz for his debut? I think it's just because we're in the same division. It's not a fair comparison. Wentz was drafted the #2 overall and is expected to be the franchise guy. Dak was drafted as a project for the future. We have no idea who will better in the future but right now the media is comparing Dak to Wentz and it should be Wentz to Goff. They were the one two punch of QB's for this draft. So to befair if your going to compare Dak to Wentz then you have to compare Dak to Goff and right now Dak is looking like a much better QB than the first overall pick.

But it takes a whole season to know if the guy is the real deal. A season of ups and downs, highs and lows to see what we have. Personally I think we got the best pick in the draft at QB when you factor in physical ability mixed with dealing with adversity, mental toughness and intelligence. I think Dak will stack up very favorably at the end of the year assessment as opposed to the week one assessment.

 

[Direwolf63]

This is a very good point. Why is Dak being compared to Wentz for his debut? I think it's just because we're in the same division. It's not a fair comparison. Wentz was drafted the #2 overall and is expected to be the franchise guy. Dak was drafted as a project for the future. We have no idea who will better in the future but right now the media is comparing Dak to Wentz and it should be Wentz to Goff. They were the one two punch of QB's for this draft. So to befair if your going to compare Dak to Wentz then you have to compare Dak to Goff and right now Dak is looking like a much better QB than the first overall pick.

But it takes a whole season to know if the guy is the real deal. A season of ups and downs, highs and lows to see what we have. Personally I think we got the best pick in the draft at QB when you factor in physical ability mixed with dealing with adversity, mental toughness and intelligence. I think Dak will stack up very favorably at the end of the year assessment as opposed to the week one assessment.

Dak is being compared to Wentz because many people (including myself) thought the Cowboys should have moved up to #2 with the Browns to get Wentz.

Had that happened, it would have been Wentz starting for Dallas, not Dak. Hence the comparison.

It remains to be seen who will have the better career. But it cannot be denied that Wentz looked good yesterday. Hopefully Dak outplays him going forward.

 

[mcmvp]

Not really. Browns moved the ball on them at times earlier in the game too. They moved the ball right down the field on them before the tipped pass that resulted in an interception. If the Eagles LB doesn't tip the ball with his finger tip, that's a TD as the WR was open and had separation from the DB.

I think the Eagles secondary, specifically the CBs, are a real weakness.

I don't know...it sounds like you are trying to add a little "ifs & buts" - that's football. I know it was just Cleveland, but they rank 4th in yards allowed, 2nd in points allowed, and 1st in QB passer rating allowed (55.0).

We'll see going forward...but I wouldn't be shocked if they end up a top 5 unit (yards allowed and points allowed)

 

[DandyDon52]

They could have helped free with JPP, let the RB help with the outside rush, and free watch for that inside move, or not allow it with help on outside.
When the rb leaves backfield they are of no use, dak never looked at elliot except one time, which may have been
part of the play in redzone.

 

[Sydla]

I don't know...it sounds like you are trying to add a little "ifs & buts" - that's football. I know it was just Cleveland, but they rank 4th in yards allowed, 2nd in points allowed, and 1st in QB passer rating allowed (55.0).

We'll see going forward...but I wouldn't be shocked if they end up a top 5 unit (yards allowed and points allowed)

They won't be.

 

[DandyDon52]

Dak is being compared to Wentz because many people (including myself) thought the Cowboys should have moved up to #2 with the Browns to get Wentz.

Had that happened, it would have been Wentz starting for Dallas, not Dak. Hence the comparison.

It remains to be seen who will have the better career. But it cannot be denied that Wentz looked good yesterday. Hopefully Dak outplays him going forward.

yes and keep in mind he does have different coaches, and plays, and offense, and the browns are just not very good.
The giants are much better team than the browns.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Eagles
Giants
Cowboys
Commanders

You based the Eagles winning the division off of beating the Browns.....ok

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Exactly. Wentz plays probably the worse team in the league and now he is suddenly amazing and way better than Dak. If Dak were playing at home vs the Browns we would have murdered them and Dak would have looked amazing. Dak looked very solid out there vs a legit football team. We lost by 1 freaking point! The beasley or Dez drop alone could have made the difference. I'm excited about Dak. I just hope the pieces around him can do better.

Wentz had some terrible throws as well that nobody is talking about. Too me Dak was more impressive playing a division game in his first start ever while Wentz played the Browns. Wentz recievers caught their TD pass while Dallas 2 best recievers dropped theirs.

Dak didn't fumble, throw a pick or get sacked. While Wentz didn't throw a pick he did fumble and did get sacked

 

[Setackin]

You based the Eagles winning the division off of beating the Browns.....ok

I base it on them looking decent and everyone else looking like crap. It's less a reflection on them, and more of one on the rest of the division

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I base it on them looking decent and everyone else looking like crap. It's less a reflection on them, and more of one on the rest of the division

They played the Browns with RG3 and no recievers. Our defense would look great against them.

 

[Setackin]

They played the Browns with RG3 and no recievers. Our defense would look great against them.

Ok... Great... But I don't think so...

And I'm not just reacting because of yesterday, I haven't believed in this defense for 2 years... Although I do think it's getting worse

 

[MRV52]

Looking back on my predictions based upon the body of evidence indicates that I called it pretty close.

1) I watched the Phily game with Wentz and of course the cowboys game with Dak. All of the information on how a Rookie QB would do in his first game was proved true. Wentz is by far a better QB than Dak with accuracy and reading the defenses and adjusting. However, the point I am making here is that that a Rookie with a great defense stands a better chance of winning than one with an average defense (proof Phily game vs Cowboy game).

2) Defensive tackles rule the center of the defense and make the DE look good. This was not the case with the Dallas defense. The Giants run through our middle as if there was NO defense at all. If the Cowboys are going to make noise this year then the staff needs to fix this ASAP. That was also evident that no pass rush means no win.

3) The running team of Morris and Zeke was poor and Morris was not the problem. Zeke needs more work on getting through the line when those small holes open up. He look like a Rookie and Morris looked far more polished.

4) Free is the reason that our QBs are getting killed. If the team is going to make a move that will go a long way in improving the offense then this one change will accomplish a lot.

5) I predicted a 24-21 win for the Giants and was close to the 20-19 results. I also predict a loss to the Commanders in week2 then two wins. After watching this weekend’s games I am still holding my predictions. Dak goes 2-2 for the first four games.

Sorry pal, Dak is ahead of Wentz. Wentz played against the worst team in the league.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Ok... Great... But I don't think so...

And I'm not just reacting because of yesterday, I haven't believed in this defense for 2 years... Although I do think it's getting worse

You can believe what you want but no way is eagles number 1 in division cause they beat the Browns. Hell their center snapped the ball over RG3 head which he kicked out the back of the endzone for a safety. That's points on Browns mistakes.

 

[Setackin]

You can believe what you want but no way is eagles number 1 in division cause they beat the Browns. Hell their center snapped the ball over RG3 head which he kicked out the back of the endzone for a safety. That's points on Browns mistakes.

I'm not saying they're winning because they beat the Browns, I just said that..... I'm saying it because I think the rest of the division is that bad.... Could change in a couple weeks, but right now they should be the favs