The Myles Jack Myth

[RS12]

Other than the fact he tanked it on purpose........

I dont believe that for a second. Sounds like a lame excuse from somebody who isnt particularly bright. Odds are you could guess every question and score higher than a four by accident.

 

[jterrell]

Jack is 245 right now, as per scouts and every other outlet including his current UCLA profile, Jack said himself when he first came to college he was light around 220-230 but his heaviest while playing with the Bruins was 250- 255.

He is already training hard with no knee issues for the combine.

https://twitter.com/mylesjack

Regardless of weight, any team that drafts him could play him anywhere as he can play all three positions, the weight issue was just an invalid criticism considering he is currently the same weight as most of the starting middle linebackers in the NFL.

This does not mean he has to play mlb or should for that matter, just that he can play the position and has done so even in college.

Placing much faith in that 245 is foolhardy.
He did not play on any of the tape that's out there at 245. In fact he looks closer to 220 then 240. on tape.

The knee injury and resulting downtime from cardio may have given time to gain weight. Perhaps up to 245.

But we shall see his measurables soon enough. The combine is in less then 2 weeks.
Pointless to place your credibility in a guy's tweets.

I swore I ran a 4.5 in high schjool. Got to college and it was 4.65. Athletes are terrible source sof inofrmation on themselves.
The only thing close to as bad is collegiate infomation departments.

He MIGHT can play all 3 LB positions but a lot will factor in there. He is a superb athlete but he is definitely not as prototypical dominating MLB.

I played in colege with Zach Thomas as a true Freshyman and at all of 5'9" he made virtually every play. It was insane. He knew where the play was going and beat it there.

 

[jterrell]

I dont believe that for a second. Sounds like a lame excuse from somebody who isnt particularly bright. Odds are you could guess every question and score higher than a four by accident.

he checked the same answer for every question.
it;s really not disputed that he just threw the test.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Placing much faith in that 245 is foolhardy.
He did not play on any of the tape that's out there at 245. In fact he looks closer to 220 then 240. on tape.

The knee injury and resulting downtime from cardio may have given time to gain weight. Perhaps up to 245.

But we shall see his measurables soon enough. The combine is in less then 2 weeks.
Pointless to place your credibility in a guy's tweets.

I swore I ran a 4.5 in high schjool. Got to college and it was 4.65. Athletes are terrible source sof inofrmation on themselves.
The only thing close to as bad is collegiate infomation departments.

He MIGHT can play all 3 LB positions but a lot will factor in there. He is a superb athlete but he is definitely not as prototypical dominating MLB.

I played in colege with Zach Thomas as a true Freshyman and at all of 5'9" he made virtually every play. It was insane. He knew where the play was going and beat it there.

Jack is not prototypical anything that is what makes him special.

He favors the will to be sure but he can handle them all, it will be up to the team that drafts him to find the best place for him to be sure.

Yet, at 245, he fits in the same range as the top NFL MLB's regardless of what anyone states, it is simply a fact.

This does not mean he must play there nor should but he certainly can accordingly.

He can play them all, he has that elite ability but does need some seasoning in the film room and experience.

Attempting to guess his weight by looking at tape is foolhardy, Jack has stated himself that when he first started in college he was playing between 220-230 and during his junior year played between 245-255.

Should I think Jack is lying because you do not think he is 245 or can Jack not properly read the scale he is stepping on because you say so? I think not!

Jack has a thick trunk, those RB's legs and carries some weight in his lower body.

This is not speed, it is stepping on a scale, such a ridiculous argument, Jack is fully aware of his own weight and speed at this point, he is training with a team that measures everything.

The scouts have indicated his weight at 245 as well, his latest UCLA profile also and the player himself, I would take pause in placing my credibility with my eyes when everything else states the contrary.

The combine will take care of all this regardless but I would rather go to the source than an outdated internet weight measurement from previous years or a subjective 'I think he looks like" nonsense.

I will take the player at his word and disregard subjective descriptions, his current weight is in the range of 245 right now and he is already training hard and ready to go!

The combine will answer all these questions.

 

[Alexander]

Placing much faith in that 245 is foolhardy.
He did not play on any of the tape that's out there at 245. In fact he looks closer to 220 then 240. on tape.

The knee injury and resulting downtime from cardio may have given time to gain weight. Perhaps up to 245.

But we shall see his measurables soon enough. The combine is in less then 2 weeks.
Pointless to place your credibility in a guy's tweets.

I swore I ran a 4.5 in high schjool. Got to college and it was 4.65. Athletes are terrible source sof inofrmation on themselves.
The only thing close to as bad is collegiate infomation departments.

He MIGHT can play all 3 LB positions but a lot will factor in there. He is a superb athlete but he is definitely not as prototypical dominating MLB.

I played in colege with Zach Thomas as a true Freshyman and at all of 5'9" he made virtually every play. It was insane. He knew where the play was going and beat it there.

If someone could assure me he has half of Thomas' instincts and brainpower, I endorse that selection wholeheartedly .

 

[Kaiser]

Yet, at 245, he fits in the same range as the top NFL MLB's regardless of what anyone states, it is simply a fact.

Agree with all of that, plus its worth adding that we have gotten good play at all three LB spots from Anthony Hitchens - who is listed as 6'0" even and 235 pounds.

 

[Rogerthat12]

If someone could assure me he has half of Thomas' instincts and brainpower, I endorse that selection wholeheartedly .

USC coach Steve Sarkisian has watched Jack from across town in Los Angeles and before that when Jack played at Bellevue (Wash.) High School and Sarkisian was Washington's coach. Sarkisian said of Jack on Tuesday, "Myles has a very high football IQ. He’s kind of a Jack of all trades. And he’s very physically gifted. It’s his football IQ that allows him to play fast and be physical at the point of attack."

 

[Alexander]

USC coach Steve Sarkisian has watched Jack from across town in Los Angeles and before that when Jack played at Bellevue (Wash.) High School and Sarkisian was Washington's coach. Sarkisian said of Jack on Tuesday, "Myles has a very high football IQ. He’s kind of a Jack of all trades. And he’s very physically gifted. It’s his football IQ that allows him to play fast and be physical at the point of attack."

Steve Sarkisien is a pathetic drunk.

Next opinion.

 

[mattjames2010]

Steve Sarkisien is a pathetic drunk.

Next opinion.

Typical Alexander.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Steve Sarkisien is a pathetic drunk.

Next opinion.

Attacking the man, next opinion.

 

[Wood]

I watched everything I could find on him. Full games, highlights etc.

Your response tells me you're not actually ready for an adult, insightful debate on Myles Jack. I've already gone multiple pages on this with multiple people where I have pulled up frame by frames and videos.

I also looked at alot of Jack film and one thing I come away with is he has high probability of injury in NFL if he plays the same way at his size and he will need atleast year to learn more about position. I keep hearing people say you can't take QB #4 because he wont be ready to start this year...well you could say same thing about Jack. As they said in above youtube Jack isn't tape guy yet so there is alot of work to be done. Great athlete and I do like his baller mentality but I am nervous taking green 6'1" LB at #4. If he was 6'4 with more LB experience then its another story.

 

[tm1119]

I also looked at alot of Jack film and one thing I come away with is he has high probability of injury in NFL if he plays the same way at his size and he will need atleast year to learn more about position. I keep hearing people say you can't take QB #4 because he wont be ready to start this year...well you could say same thing about Jack. As they said in above youtube Jack isn't tape guy yet so there is alot of work to be done. Great athlete and I do like his baller mentality but I am nervous taking green 6'1" LB at #4. If he was 6'4 with more LB experience then its another story.

Most LB's are not 6'4. Most linebackers are Jack's size.

 

[Wood]

Most LB's are not 6'4. Most linebackers are Jack's size.

Luke Kuechly is 6'3" and type of player some are comparing Jack too. He is just too small to draft in top 5. I don't see him holding up if he tries to play the way he did at UCLA. If Dallas had dominant DL I would consider it but he will get decimated on this team. Just ask Sean Lee.

 

[tm1119]

Luke Kuechly is 6'3" and type of player some are comparing Jack too. He is just too small to draft in top 5. I don't see him holding up if he tries to play the way he did at UCLA. If Dallas had dominant DL I would consider it but he will get decimated on this team. Just ask Sean Lee.

Luke Kuechly is 2 inches taller and weighs less than Jack reportedly does right now. So being tall keeps you healthy is what you're saying? Any more stout medical advice to dish out?

I posted this in 1 of the other 6 Jack threads there but you apparently need to see it. This was me going through the tackles leaders from last year(minus levy).

Bowman- 6' 242
D'Quell Jackson- 6' 242
David- 6'1 233
Posluszny- 6'1 240
CJ Mosley- 6'2 235
Kuechly- 6'3 238
Timmons- 6'1 234
Wagner- 6' 242
Trevathan- 6'1 240
Tulloch- 5'11 245
Kendricks- 6' 232
K'Won Alexander- 6'1 227
Levy- 6'2 235
Worrilow- 6'1 231

So again, in what world is 6'1 240 too small to play LB?

 

[texbumthelife]

Luke Kuechly is 2 inches taller and weighs less than Jack reportedly does right now. So being tall keeps you healthy is what you're saying? Any more stout medical advice to dish out?

I posted this in 1 of the other 6 Jack threads there but you apparently need to see it. This was me going through the tackles leaders from last year(minus levy).

Bowman- 6' 242
D'Quell Jackson- 6' 242
David- 6'1 233
Posluszny- 6'1 240
CJ Mosley- 6'2 235
Kuechly- 6'3 238
Timmons- 6'1 234
Wagner- 6' 242
Trevathan- 6'1 240
Tulloch- 5'11 245
Kendricks- 6' 232
K'Won Alexander- 6'1 227
Levy- 6'2 235
Worrilow- 6'1 231

So again, in what world is 6'1 240 too small to play LB?

I think Tulloch, though shorter, is actually a great comparison for Myles Jack. He has a thick, stocky build--much like a running back, too. For me, I think Myles Jack's issues are going to come from a combination of lack of experience and size, not just one or the other. He takes a lot of missteps, using his superior athleticism to make up for it. Not that I don't think that won't work at the next level, but i don't think it will work as regularly.

I don't think Jack would be awful as a MLB. I think he can be a good player there. I just think it is in his best interest and the best interest of the team who takes him, to put him on the weak side.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Luke Kuechly is 2 inches taller and weighs less than Jack reportedly does right now. So being tall keeps you healthy is what you're saying? Any more stout medical advice to dish out?

I posted this in 1 of the other 6 Jack threads there but you apparently need to see it. This was me going through the tackles leaders from last year(minus levy).

Bowman- 6' 242
D'Quell Jackson- 6' 242
David- 6'1 233
Posluszny- 6'1 240
CJ Mosley- 6'2 235
Kuechly- 6'3 238
Timmons- 6'1 234
Wagner- 6' 242
Trevathan- 6'1 240
Tulloch- 5'11 245
Kendricks- 6' 232
K'Won Alexander- 6'1 227
Levy- 6'2 235
Worrilow- 6'1 231

So again, in what world is 6'1 240 too small to play LB?

Adding:

Derek Johnson 242
Shazier 237

Strange how some can not read the size and weight of most of the top LB's in the NFL even after showing them, particularly the MLB's, the proof is in the pudding so to speak.

It is funny to watch others try to either intentionally deny his current weight or somehow keep repeating something they have heard over and over again in direct ignorance of the facts.

I understand the experience issue as a concern and that projection to will may be the best fit but the size comment is foolish at best considering the player himself indicates he was most recent playing between in the 245-255 range and reports to be in the 245 range as we speak.

He does not have to play MLB, he can play any of the positions, so arguing some myth on his "size" is simply unnecessary and willfully at this point, denying the facts for argument sake.

You nailed it!

 

[CCBoy]

Luke Kuechly is 2 inches taller and weighs less than Jack reportedly does right now. So being tall keeps you healthy is what you're saying? Any more stout medical advice to dish out?

I posted this in 1 of the other 6 Jack threads there but you apparently need to see it. This was me going through the tackles leaders from last year(minus levy).

Bowman- 6' 242
D'Quell Jackson- 6' 242
David- 6'1 233
Posluszny- 6'1 240
CJ Mosley- 6'2 235
Kuechly- 6'3 238
Timmons- 6'1 234
Wagner- 6' 242
Trevathan- 6'1 240
Tulloch- 5'11 245
Kendricks- 6' 232
K'Won Alexander- 6'1 227
Levy- 6'2 235
Worrilow- 6'1 231

So again, in what world is 6'1 240 too small to play LB?

Know what the two most important physical abilities of the top linebackers are?

First, quadricep strength... the ability to quickly run and cut.

Second, the hand and fist...the ability to strike devastatingly and redirect a lineman.

 

[texbumthelife]

Adding:

Derek Johnson 242
Shazier 237

Strange how some can not read the size and weight of most of the top LB's in the NFL even after showing them, particularly the MLB's, the proof is in the pudding so to speak.

It is funny to watch others try to either intentionally deny his current weight or somehow keep repeating something they have heard over and over again in direct ignorance of the facts.

I understand the experience issue as a concern and that projection to will may be the best fit but the size comment is foolish at best considering the player himself indicates he was most recent playing between in the 245-255 range and reports to be in the 245 range as we speak.

He does not have to play MLB, he can play any of the positions, so arguing some myth on his "size" is simply unnecessary and willfully at this point, denying the facts for argument sake.

You nailed it!

Just to play devil's advocate, no one knows his current weight. If he shows up at the combine at 245 and moved as good as many suspect, he'll quiet a lot of critics.

He still lacks experience at the position though. I've said all along I think he could develop into a special player, but I think he is going to need more time than a lot of people want to admit and I also think he's definitely better suited to play WILL because of his athleticism.

 

[Alexander]

Just to play devil's advocate, no one knows his current weight. If he shows up at the combine at 245 and moved as good as many suspect, he'll quiet a lot of critics.

He still lacks experience at the position though. I've said all along I think he could develop into a special player, but I think he is going to need more time than a lot of people want to admit and I also think he's definitely better suited to play WILL because of his athleticism.

What he weighs is pretty much irrelevant to me.

10-15 pounds are next to nothing.

It all depends on what Dallas envisions him doing.

He is not going to be some Swiss Army Knife. He's just not.

Marinelli is a rigid coach who sticks to prototypes.

Then it comes down to two things.

Will Jack play WILL and Lee get moved? Okay then. I could learn to appreciate that.

Will Jack play MLB? Complete silliness. Never done it before.

Will Jack play SAM? Probably would be outstanding but who on earth spends a top five pick on that role?

I don't see why apparently a bunch of you cannot understand what a quandary he presents.

It is not about picking this incredible beast.

It is what is done with said beast once you have him.

 

[texbumthelife]

What he weighs is pretty much irrelevant to me.

10-15 pounds are next to nothing.

It all depends on what Dallas envisions him doing.

He is not going to be some Swiss Army Knife. He's just not.

Marinelli is a rigid coach who sticks to prototypes.

Then it comes down to two things.

Will Jack play WILL and Lee get moved? Okay then. I could learn to appreciate that.

Will Jack play MLB? Complete silliness. Never done it before.

Will Jack play SAM? Probably would be outstanding but who on earth spends a top five pick on that role?

I don't see why apparently a bunch of you cannot understand what a quandary he presents.

It is not about picking this incredible beast.

It is what is done with said beast once you have him.

Apparently Jack is going to play nickel and dime corner and play MLB in base... That's what I read here at least.

I think Jack would be completely run over if he played SAM in the NFL. There is no way I am convinced he is going to get off those TE/T double teams in the running game. He just hasn't shown nearly that level of power in college. I am not saying he is strictly limited to, but he is best suited to a chase down LB role.

Some of your angst may be ill placed. I haven't once portrayed Jack as some amazing linebacker or some highly overrated talent who won't last. I've maintained essentially the same attitude as you.