The Myles Jack Myth

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I played at Texas Tech. Can't say I knew anyone at WF but I did have teammates play at Kansas. Kansas State, Miami, UT, UNT and Baylor. Almost to a man they were upgraded in size on the game day programs/roster.

People are saying Jack is 245 because UCLA where he hasn't been in months as part of the football team lists him as such.
That's it.

Fischer is testing everything for sure. But he's never released one bit of that data to anyone but Jack and his agent. The agent feeds the media. There is reason they all list 245 and not something close.

Show me one scout that says Jack weighed in today at .... --doesn't exist.

Again this an area where you are thinking with something other than your brain.
The proof is in the very video and photos you posted. Dude is not 245. Probably not even remotely close in those images.
6'1" and 245 is yoked. Heck 6'1" and 260 probably played DT not long ago right??

I disagree, Jack and his team know his weight currently and the scouts who are visiting the Fischer institute are also aware unofficially speaking because Jack is talking to them as well.

In Jack's recent training video he is looking jacked, he said he spent time building his upper body and now is currently hitting the weights hard on that lower body.

He carries much of his weight in his trunk and lower body.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BAingYVjfGx/?taken-by=myles_jack

He has a thick base and has added to his upper torso.

The combine will will settle this issue and it is Jack himself that said he is in the 245 range in various interviews and comments.

I have little doubt that Jack will weigh in around 240-245 at the combine.
 

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This is 10000% untrue in every way.

Anyone who has ever played college football could explain this to you...
Football players weigh in 1 time per season. Some guys weigh in in towels and others in football pants with pads.

You just do not understand the process.

The media guide guys are NEVER at the weigh ins and heights/weights often change before it hits the official roster.
I know, both of mine did.

Personal attack aside, you are correct. Media Guides are NOTORIOUSLY inaccurate.

Guys are often taller and bigger than they really are. And there are ways they cheat like putting tiny weights in their shorts, etc.

And if the media guy people don't know your weight, they guess.

Never trust combine/camp 40 times and never trust media guides.
 

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Drivel is relative to the interpretation of the poster.

I played at Wake Forest DT then went to Duke for graduate school and Phd program.

No I am not suggesting college teams keep constant records during the season.

Jack is training with Fischer Institute in Phoenix, with Brett Fischer and his team preparing for the combine, pro day, individual visits and draft.

I am suggesting that the personal training team that Jack is training with right now, measures everything, including his weight and speed as he prepares for the draft and the combine.

They have a specific strategy for Jack, where they want him to come in weight wise without losing his speed and explosiveness.

This is not executed without intention and planning is implemented down to the fine details.

They actually know his current weight, it is simply a fact.

All of this is ultimately unnecessary as they will weigh Jack at the combine.

Your response sounds like you know what you're talking about. Quick question. Is the weight Jack is being reported at now from college reports or from the guys he's working with now?
 

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Your response sounds like you know what you're talking about. Quick question. Is the weight Jack is being reported at now from college reports or from the guys he's working with now?

Jack has stated that he is currently in the 245 pound range right now, he has said this to scouts and during recent interviews.

He was initially adding weight to his upper body because he was limited with the knee injury per his own words but is currently training hard on the lower body as well.

He has specifically stated in recent interviews that when he first started in college he was in the 220-230 pound range but added weight towards his latter college career in the 245 range.

I have no reason to disbelieve the player because if he was lying to avoid the undersized label for draft position purposes that some have put upon him, then he will be exposed as a liar or exaggerator in just a week at the combine.

It makes no sense to make this claim hoping to help your draft stock, only upon national exposure to be proven dishonest or greatly exaggerating your actual weight.

The scale will not lie about his weight and will be the official record for scouts and teams to draw upon.

This would in my view, actually hurt his draft stock to some suitors because it is still early in the process and the player has been telling people he is currently in the 245 pound range.

How do you raise your draft stock by stating you are in the 245 pound range to minimize the size factor for stock purposes and then come in way under that weight at the combine?

Sure if he comes in within 5-8 pounds of that top range many would not worry for draft purposes say like 237 or so.

No real reason to worry regardless because we will all find out early next week either way, we can only go off the reported or self asserted unofficial information that we have until then or like some prefer, simply guess.
 

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Myles Jack lacks instincts and gets swallowed by blockers. Nothing in that video changed my opinion of that at all. He's still a guy being projected due to his elite athleticism.

This is not to say he doesn't have a chance to be a great player, but he definitely needs a little more time and experience in the position.

I like Jack and wouldn't even mind selecting him, but he is not going to come in and be some unstoppable force on day 1, like so many want to portray.

FTR, how many games was he asked to strictly play CB and lock down receivers?

Perfect post....his production doesn't match his athleticism. I HATE picking a guy 4th overall based on potential and athletic ceiling. NO way.
 

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You're right, because teams never ***** the weights of their players. Players never show up to the combine at significantly different weights than advertised.

You believe everything you read/are told?

I'm an African Prince. Send me $10k and I will send you back $10 million.

I guess you are indeed and African Prince, who knew...LOL! Eat that crow buddy!

Myles Jack checking in at 6'1" 245 with 33 5/8 arms is great for him. Checks off measurables boxes

— Mark Dulgerian (@MarkDulgerianOS) February 26, 2016
 

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Placing much faith in that 245 is foolhardy.
He did not play on any of the tape that's out there at 245. In fact he looks closer to 220 then 240. on tape.

The knee injury and resulting downtime from cardio may have given time to gain weight. Perhaps up to 245.

But we shall see his measurables soon enough. The combine is in less then 2 weeks.
Pointless to place your credibility in a guy's tweets.

I swore I ran a 4.5 in high schjool. Got to college and it was 4.65. Athletes are terrible source sof inofrmation on themselves.
The only thing close to as bad is collegiate infomation departments.

He MIGHT can play all 3 LB positions but a lot will factor in there. He is a superb athlete but he is definitely not as prototypical dominating MLB.

I played in colege with Zach Thomas as a true Freshyman and at all of 5'9" he made virtually every play. It was insane. He knew where the play was going and beat it there.

Better get them eyes checked..lol! Time to eat that crow!

Myles Jack checking in at 6'1" 245 with 33 5/8 arms is great for him. Checks off measurables boxes

— Mark Dulgerian (@MarkDulgerianOS) February 26, 2016
 

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btw, if anyone wants to tell me Jack looks 245 pounds in those videos please do so.
then I know who to put on ignore as completely without hope of objectivity.
the guy looks like a safety. he is lean and smooth and athletic.
no one would pass him on the street and say omg there is a middle backer.

does that mean he can't grow into a great middle backer? NO.
does that mean he is VERY unlikely to tilt the scales at 245? YES.


Myles Jack checking in at 6'1" 245 with 33 5/8 arms is great for him. Checks off measurables boxes

— Mark Dulgerian (@MarkDulgerianOS) February 26, 2016
 

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I guess you are indeed and African Prince, who knew...LOL! Eat that crow buddy!

Myles Jack checking in at 6'1" 245 with 33 5/8 arms is great for him. Checks off measurables boxes

— Mark Dulgerian (@MarkDulgerianOS) February 26, 2016

I'll happily take my crow medium rare even though I actually never said he wasn't 245lbs, just that I wouldn't take his word for it.
 

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I'll happily take my crow medium rare even though I actually never said he wasn't 245lbs, just that I wouldn't take his word for it.

I bet you are taking his word for it now...lol!

Thanks for taking the crow with grace regardless, I am just having fun with you guys!
 

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I bet you are taking his word for it now...lol!

Thanks for taking the crow with grace regardless, I am just having fun with you guys!

Haha it's all good.

If he can run and run well at his pro day, I would say he just made himself a serious target at 4.
 
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