The new Official Greg Hardy legal/ethics/morality/suspension thread

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The NBA does things the right way when it comes to legal issues involving their players, coaches and Association employees. They allow the legal system to resolve the matter and will act accordingly IF a conviction or criminal plea deal is reached.

Take the Blake Griffin matter that was just resolved legally. It was alleged that he slapped and accosted a man in Tao Nightclub in Las Vegas when the man and his friends took pictures of Blake, his teammates and friends. Based on the statements of the accuser, the holier than thou, guilty until proven innocent crowd would have convicted Blake Griffin and seek a suspension. However, the District Attorney's office fully investigated the matter and felt that there was not enough evidence to prosecute. Griffin denied the allegations and provided witnesses that denied the event occurred. The NBA will not be taking any action in the matter because there was no prosecution.

This approach makes sense and is an example of why the Commissioners in that sport are better at their jobs than Goodell. Doesn't hurt that David Stern and Adam Silver are also Attorneys. Goodell does a great job earning money for the League and growing the League. His biggest mistake was attempting to become a Judge and Jury with no legal background. Tagliabue was an Attorney and had the sense to stay away from enforcing the personal conduct rule even without there being a conviction. Not a wise move at all and Goodell needs to avoid it or allow only a Special Counsel or League General Counsel handle these matters. Far less suspensions would occur without convictions.

As it relates to Greg Hardy, the most important thing for the League to do is get all the information (from both sides), review it and ask the Prosecution why they didn't pursue the case even without the alleged victim. As Mickey pointed out in his piece and I also stated in old posts about this matter: "Victims and witnesses routinely stop cooperating in domestic-abuse cases and prosecutors still take the cases to court. (DA Andrew) Murray, though, said the Hardy case was different. He also appeared to raise doubts about Holder’s credibility in a statement to the judge … and only recently had (prosecutors) compared what Holder told police the night of the alleged assault with her testimony at Hardy’s first trial."
ts.He also wrote: "
Then there was this passage: Several legal experts around town speculated that prosecutors spotted inconsistencies that prevented them from building their case around Holder’s former accounts. To enter an unavailable witness’s prior testimony and statements as evidence, prosecutors have “to vouch” for its truthfulness, said Charlotte defense attorney George Laughrun." Clearly, the Prosecutors didn't feel comfortable vouching for the veracity of the story told by the accuser and they have all the evidence! This is what the league needs to focus on. Why didn't they trust her statements?Goodell needs to let the lawyers handle the personal conduct policy and avoid his wish to play God on these matters when minds much wiser than his in the legal arena don't pursue the conduct.
 
choking does not automatically lead to physical evidence and no it would not be attempted murder as he never intended to kill her.

Gonna disagree. Every case I've worked on that involved actual strangulation, there was evidence. Either on the victim or the accused. Bruising on the neck may not be apparent at that moment, but will appear within a couple days. Thus follow up should be done.

Bruising also happens under the skin, so theres ultraviolet lighting and photography that could be used during the inital investigation. There may be change in a persons voice, Neck strains, trouble swallowing, and petechia which is probably the best piece of evidence of strangulation.

Ms Holder said that Greg Hardy had two hands around her neck choking her. Hard to imagine there wasn't one piece of evidence that indicated this occurred.
 
Or people just don't agree with touching women at all and find it comical that a massive NFL player is getting excuses like "he had to defend himself" from a petite woman. Just saying. In my book they both probably crossed the line.

Yeah I 'll remember to tell my 6-4 250lb wrestler buddy that as I look at his stab wound from not defending his self from his crazed half pint GF....
 
Again, TWO DIFFERENT scenarios. You are saying what did another girl and her toddler brother accomplish by walking away. That isn't the case here. Please people. that girl could fight back if she wanted to. We are talking about a grown man who has a foot and 100 lbs on a woman. He could walk out of the apartment and that woman isn't going to run after him and beat him down. Please stop making excuses. Your incident and this one are not alike and just cover the real problem. I'm sorry but I find it comical and just FOS when men start finding excuses of when they can hit women. That is not right. Twist it all you want....its wrong. Twisting scenarios to figure out..."could I clock a girl here" is just mind-boggling. And before people start saying I'm on a high horse...I've been in the situation before and my actions spoke volumes and difused vs. made it worse for everyone.

So he gets to leave his own residence< (that she doesn't live in) while she coked up is there to do what... Have you ever been in a relationship with someone that has a problem with substance abuse- I have and listen and I don't care what you think... THERE IS NO WALKING AWAY!!! They will tear your things up, cause turmoil, fight without provocation and will not allow you to walk away, they will follow you persisting in creating a problem. He did the right thing calling the cops but had to deal with her in the meantime. Yes he could have walked away from his own home, he could have also shot her in the chest, put a knife in her hand while she was dead and claimed self defense. The toxicology report would say she was a coked up psychopath and he would have got away with it. I don't blame him and Ill say this, when I was going through my problems in a similar situation, I caught a lot of crap getting her away from me, 15 years later all the people flapping their gums have been apologizing since. I tell them all to kiss my azz, her life is a living hell while mine and our child is (what did Kraken say) Sitting at the top of the world. Yeah I can damn sure believe it went down just the way he said it did and unless you've been there you have no idea what it takes to deal with it.
 
"Then there was this passage: Several legal experts around town speculated that prosecutors spotted inconsistencies that prevented them from building their case around Holder’s former accounts. To enter an unavailable witness’s prior testimony and statements as evidence, prosecutors have “to vouch” for its truthfulness, said Charlotte defense attorney George Laughrun." Clearly, the Prosecutors didn't feel comfortable vouching for the veracity of the story told by the accuser and they have all the evidence! This is what the league needs to focus on. Why didn't they trust her statements?Goodell needs to let the lawyers handle the personal conduct policy and avoid his wish to play God on these matters when minds much wiser than his in the legal arena don't pursue the conduct.

I keep telling people I know a guy in Charlotte, and nobody wants to listen.
 
Greg Hardy is a 26 year old star in a big city. Gets himself a hot little piece of tail, has a great time. Decides, after the crazy (because cleat chasers are the crazy), that you know what, this ain't worth it. So he breaks up to focus on football because hey - he's pretty good at it.

But that's never how these things go. So even though they're "broken up," he keeps hitting it, because the sex is probably phenomenal. She gets a little drunk one night, maybe peeks at his phone and sees the nakie pics from the new girl on the block. Oh hell naw. Thus the incident.

Knowing that the gravy train is about to stop, she does her accusation. Probably figures it won't stand, but if it doesn't, she can go to a civil case where the burden of proof is only a preponderance of the evidence, or "more likely than not." No real burden of proof. She'll win a big pay day! Instead, Hardy pays a settlement to avoid being awarded damages by a jury of his peers, which, most of the time is constituted of people with no more than a 4th grade reading level, let alone a full understanding of the burden of proof and the elements of a crime or of a civil cause of action.

Another reason why I think he paid the settlement money to avoid a civil case? There are rumors that she was a fan of the cocaine. Coke. Booga Suga. Snow. Nose Candy. White Girl. Whatever you want to call it.

Think he was maybe paying for it? I think the answer is: maybe.

Of course, nothing that I've said is based in sourced information...nope. Just me speculating...
 
Why would I be? I don't think that women are unequal to men and if a man punched me, I would probably retort physically.

I don't believe equality means women are equally as strong as men. I think it means more that they are entitled to the same basic rights as men, i.e., equal pay, equal voting rights, equal access to jobs, equal opportunities, etc.

It's a carte blanche equality in every aspect. Unfortunately, the sentiment you expressed is held by many men. :(

Having said that, no one should be putting his/her hands on anyone in a violent manner.
 
I don't believe equality means women are equally as strong as men. I think it means more that they are entitled to the same basic rights as men, i.e., equal pay, equal voting rights, equal access to jobs, equal opportunities, etc.

It's a carte blanche equality in every aspect. Unfortunately, the sentiment you expressed is held by many men. :(

Having said that, no one should be putting his/her hands on anyone in a violent manner.

Which is why assault and battery are crimes.
 
Gonna disagree. Every case I've worked on that involved actual strangulation, there was evidence. Either on the victim or the accused. Bruising on the neck may not be apparent at that moment, but will appear within a couple days. Thus follow up should be done.

Bruising also happens under the skin, so theres ultraviolet lighting and photography that could be used during the inital investigation. There may be change in a persons voice, Neck strains, trouble swallowing, and petechia which is probably the best piece of evidence of strangulation.

Ms Holder said that Greg Hardy had two hands around her neck choking her. Hard to imagine there wasn't one piece of evidence that indicated this occurred.

evidence has become trivial vs. placating public opinion.
 
I give JG credit...at least he didn't say that Hardy is the right kind of guy. In the quote, he says they think he COULD become the right kind of guy.

"We brought him in and spent a couple days with him, so we felt like understanding who he is as a person was a critical piece to this, evaluating who he is a player was a critical piece to it, the structure of the contract was critical to it. At the end of the day, if we didn't believe he could become the right kind of guy for our football team, we wouldn't have signed him."

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story...ardy-dallas-cowboys-future-roger-goodell-says
 
Please send me a copy of your CV by personal message. Once I have the chance to look over your qualifications as an expert in this and like cases, I will welcome you to give your expert opinion in this case. Please refrain until you are cleared to continue posting.
And besides being one of the most likable and greatest Mods, I have 25 plus experience in cases that involve assault. So I think I can judge your qualifications..
If you have to ask what a CV is ,you probably will not pass the posting qualifications and should move to the draft zone.
Other acceptable post should be stated as "I wish I knew what happened".
 
She inflicted those on herself, silly.

No she was probably trying to beat the hell out of Hardy, because she's a crazy *****, and he was trying to defend himself. If there's no witnesses or video then it's his word against hers. In a trial he wins without that evidence.
 
Please send me a copy of your CV by personal message. Once I have the chance to look over your qualifications as an expert in this and like cases, I will welcome you to give your expert opinion in this case. Please refrain until you are cleared to continue posting.
And besides being one of the most likable and greatest Mods, I have 25 plus experience in cases that involve assault. So I think I can judge your qualifications..
If you have to ask what a CV is ,you probably will not pass the posting qualifications and should move to the draft zone.
Other acceptable post should be stated as "I wish I knew what happened".

um...just wow.
 
I saw that too. If she smacks him, then is he entitled to smack her back? I just offered it because there are many that claim she had no injuries.

If she is throwing stuff at him and hits him in the face i think he is justified in defending himself. I know what you wwre doing. I just said that because you act like she was not being provocative and violent.
 
I haven't been following this situation closely. Didnt Hardy get suspended last season? Why is he getting suspended again?
 
I don't believe equality means women are equally as strong as men. I think it means more that they are entitled to the same basic rights as men, i.e., equal pay, equal voting rights, equal access to jobs, equal opportunities, etc.

It's a carte blanche equality in every aspect. Unfortunately, the sentiment you expressed is held by many men. :(

Having said that, no one should be putting his/her hands on anyone in a violent manner.

I would never put my hands on a woman because of the repercussions, however, I cannot condemn a man who is assaulted by a woman and responds in kind. I think that you hit the nail on the head when you said that no one should put their hands on someone else. It's not a gender issue, it's a human issue.
 
Please send me a copy of your CV by personal message. Once I have the chance to look over your qualifications as an expert in this and like cases, I will welcome you to give your expert opinion in this case. Please refrain until you are cleared to continue posting.
And besides being one of the most likable and greatest Mods, I have 25 plus experience in cases that involve assault. So I think I can judge your qualifications..
If you have to ask what a CV is ,you probably will not pass the posting qualifications and should move to the draft zone.
Other acceptable post should be stated as "I wish I knew what happened".
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Please send me a copy of your CV by personal message. Once I have the chance to look over your qualifications as an expert in this and like cases, I will welcome you to give your expert opinion in this case. Please refrain until you are cleared to continue posting.
And besides being one of the most likable and greatest Mods, I have 25 plus experience in cases that involve assault. So I think I can judge your qualifications..
If you have to ask what a CV is ,you probably will not pass the posting qualifications and should move to the draft zone.
Other acceptable post should be stated as "I wish I knew what happened".

This is not about a CV...it's about DV. I wish I knew what happened.

(stupid cowboy mods)
 
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