The new Official Greg Hardy legal/ethics/morality/suspension thread

[Zekeats]

where is this fictious report of injuries? And was it backed up by a non existent doctor?

God forbid you go back and read a little. I mean don't just jump into page 5 and demand everything be brought to you from pages 1-4....well I guess I have to dig it up for you since you might not be able to find this fictitious report of injuries.

http://www.wsoctv.com/gallery/news/local/images-greg-hardy-case-evidence-logs/gCNMm/#6134209

A little help cause you might need it, just see the hover arrow to the right of the picture for the other documentations. 5 pages all together. YW

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Hardy's criminal history has a few traffic violations. He missed some meetings and broke some rules at Ole Miss and at Carolina, but I don't think he had any violent incidents. If Ms Holder was drunk and angry and physical it would be hard to defend yourself without making some contact. We will never know the truth, but he does not appear to be a stereotypical bad guy imo. I think everyone has had a drunken argument/fight with a significant other or ex. It is never pretty but it isn't always criminal.

But it is!

There is NO reason, what so ever, no matter the behavior of the woman, for a man to physically harm a woman......none. Men simply cant be provoked into such behavior. Period.

She, can do whatever she wants. Antagonize, provoke, solicit, invade personal space, stand in front of said man, blocking the exit of the room, etc etc etc...

He can not touch her. That is domestic violence! That is how the court system and law will judge the event. You can not be provoked.....period.

I can certainly see how that , environment or standard, can be used in malicious manner. I am not saying thats the case, but I can see that happening. Especially when there is money involved. I dont think it promotes a healthy society, imho.

 

[RJ_MacReady]

Good, here is for the 2 winners

Mcompact: What injuries did she suffer after being "thrown and dragged" all around the apartment by that big monster. She must have been bruised head to toe nail.

http://www.wbtv.com/story/28098680/evidence-from-greg-hardy-case-now-in-lawyers-hands
hmmmmm.....police took pictures of the injuries.
Those dozens of photos of bruises on Holder's elbow, back, arms, foot and ankle that a judge saw in July are now with the Mecklenburg County district attorney's office. WBTV requested access to the Hardy evidence file and was told it would not be released.


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and for you

dallascowboys2080: blah blah blah
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I just came back to check the progress of "HardyWatch 2015" and now see that I'm being called out because I made one post displaying my skepticism on this whole ordeal?
I understand that it's an emotional topic, but it's best to keep those feelings in check.
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And where in the world is Florio during all of this? I'm disappointed that he isn't tweeting any "breaking news" about it.. This sounds worse than the Dez tape..which was 5x worse than Ray Rice, to be exact. Maybe Hardy did something 10x worse than Rice? We could be looking at a multi-season suspension here, guys.

 

[Dale]

She went berzerk several days before that incident and broke a toenail kicking his car before security removed her. Hardy also testified at the bench trial that she told him that night he need to pay her rent that night and he didn't do it, which was part of the reason she went nuts. She also admitted to being on coke that night so "reasonable state of mind" isn't really in play.

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on this or any domestic violence case, but generally speaking I think you do have two types of male abusers. The first is the abuser who is unprovoked, and torments his spouse or child as some sort of power player. It's a role you often see portrayed on TV by the guy who neighbors think is an OK fella, but turns into a monster behind closed doors.

The second is an abuser who is provoked, and treats the argument like he might a fist fight with some guy at the bar. He's unwilling or unable to distinguish the difference between fighting a man and laying his hand on a woman or child, and lets the aggression and anger to turn loose.

From the bits and pieces I've read on this case, Hardy seems to fit into the second category. I do think there was some provocation on the woman's part, but a reasonable individual is able to handle such provocation without doing the things Hardy has been alleged of doing.

Neither kind of abuser is good, but I tend to think the first category is clinically more dangerous. Hardy strikes me as fitting into the latter category, with this all being an episode where he was in full rage and unable to switch off that somewhat-psychotic personality that makes him so good on the football field. He'll have to learn to control it, or it goes without being said that he will be on a quick path to self destruction.

 

[Zekeats]

I'm not going to hire Hardy to do my taxes. My point is that you are painting the girl as a victim with no motive and there is a mountain of evidence that she isn't.

No motive? He was drunk and upset by the whole Nelly thing. That is and was motive.

 

[Zekeats]

I just came back to check the progress of "HardyWatch 2015" and now see that I'm being called out because I made one post displaying my skepticism on this whole ordeal?
I understand that it's an emotional topic, but it's best to keep those feelings in check.
*** ** **** ******** ******

And where in the world is Florio during all of this? I'm disappointed that he isn't tweeting any "breaking news" about it.. This sounds worse than the Dez tape..which was 5x worse than Ray Rice, to be exact. Maybe Hardy did something 10x worse than Rice? We could be looking at a multi-season suspension here, guys.

Now go away because I showed you up.

 

[TheDude]

So maybe you lean a certain way because you have seen it in real life. I asked you, do you believe she did it to herself?

Im not sure what "it" is. I know there are pictures, but I dont know they show and what the physical evidence is. It didnt look good for him at the first trial based on the judge, I concur. But she was less than a stellar or driven witness. Even if I thought he was 80% guilty, I dont know enough to say he is completely guilty or not. But since I cant make an informed opinion, I have to give him the benefit of being declared innocent .


I think @Idgit had a decent assumption earlier about a drunken night that got awry and they both did something. I dont think it was something that for which he deserves a career death penalty

 

[Dale]

But it is!

There is NO reason, what so ever, no matter the behavior of the woman, for a man to physically harm a woman......none. Men simply cant be provoked into such behavior. Period.

She, can do whatever she wants. Antagonize, provoke, solicit, invade personal space, stand in front of blocking exit of the room, etc etc etc...

He can not touch her. That is domestic violence! That is how the court system and law will judge the event. You can not be provoked.....period.

I can certainly see how that , environment or standard, can be used in malicious manner. I am not saying thats the case, but I can see that happening. Especially when there is money involved. I dont think it promotes a healthy society, imho.

And not all domestic violence is created equally. There's a difference between an enraged man shoving a physically violent woman away from him so he can remove himself from the situation....and this. Like you said, a reasonable, rational male never touches a woman. It just can't happen. But in the event the man does resort to reacting or retaliating to the provocation, only a small number of responses could possibly be justified on any level.

Certainly Hardy's alleged actions don't fit in that category.

 

[Plumfool]

Your friend is lucky, I have a friend here in LA that is a cop and his ex wife is a cop. He found out she was cheating on him and the next day she cleaned out their bank accounts and filed a report that he had sexually abused their two kids. He spent years fighting for custody and only got very limited custody after he was cleared.

This happens a ton.

 

[TheDude]

The worst part about it is these type of incidents take the focus away from Goodell and his scape-goating. There is NO WAY that Goodell didn't see the tapes of Ray Rice when he laid down the four game suspension originally.

If he is making players take the fall
for perception, the owners should do the same thing for him.

This is the bigger issue. The grandstanding is beyond hypocritical.

 

[Nightman]

No motive? He was drunk and upset by the whole Nelly thing. That is and was motive.

That is a reach

 

[RJ_MacReady]

Now go away because I showed you up.

Where are the pics? Thought so. Thanks, Florio Jr.

Serious question (and you can answer this, theranchsucks...I hold no grudge for personal attackers):

If Hardy is suspended for 2-4 games, does that make him ineligible for OTAs and TC? I'm guessing the answer is "yes", but I haven't really seen it touched upon.

 

[Nightman]

Now go away because I showed you up.

You haven't shown anyone anything except your temper

 

[khiladi]

Rather coherently? Go back and listen/read again.....LOL
And I don't know why it matters if she was drunk and I never said she wasn't. Actually I acknowledge many times that she was stoned.....but that still does not mean that she didn't get beaten.

Ok.. So drunk girls don't get into fits of rage, and throw glass and run at their man.. Nice...

Speaking of which a twenty year old woman in Cincinnati just recently decapitated her three-month old baby...

 

[Zekeats]

Im not sure what "it" is. I know there are pictures, but I dont know they show and what the physical evidence is. It didnt look good for him at the first trial based on the judge, I concur. But she was less than a stellar or driven witness. Even if I thought he was 80% guilty, I dont know enough to say he is completely guilty or not. But since I cant make an informed opinion, I have to give him the benefit of being declared innocent .

Of course she isn't the best witness, most coke heads are not. I do not believe she is an angle but I do believe she is the victim. I do believe he is guilty and would put it at about 80% and would not declare him innocent by any means which is exactly what the judge from the first trial did. I understand where you are coming from but I feel that you are to much in the sense of going exactly by the law. I feel like you would say not guilty to OJ because the glove didn't fit.

I think @Idgit had a decent assumption earlier about a drunken night that got awry and they both did something. I dont think it was something that for which he deserves a career death penalty

Agreed

 

[Zekeats]

Ok.. So drunk girls don't get into fits of rage, and throw glass and run at their man.. Nice...

I can't, I just can't anymore. I would rather just speak politics with the Kardashians.

 

[TheDude]

Your friend is lucky, I have a friend here in LA that is a cop and his ex wife is a cop. He found out she was cheating on him and the next day she cleaned out their bank accounts and filed a report that he had sexually abused their two kids. He spent years fighting for custody and only got very limited custody after he was cleared.

Disgusting. I still think these case are a minority, but there was a WSJ article a couple of years ago stating how there has been a precipitous rise in female felonies along with proven false testimony. Happened around the time there was a prominent Wall Street divorce where the wife testified that all partners in the husbands firm were coke addicts and frequented prostitutes. The partners took lie detectors and drug tests the next day and then sued her for $MM in defamation. She recanted and lost the case

 

[Nightman]

Where are the pics? Thought so. Thanks, Florio Jr.

Serious question (and you can answer this, theranchsucks...I hold no grudge for personal attackers):

If Hardy is suspended for 2-4 games, does that make him ineligible for OTAs and TC? I'm guessing the answer is "yes", but I haven't really seen it touched upon.

OScandrick was allowed to practice and play in the pre-season games last year after he was suspended for the first four games in early August.

 

[TheDude]

Agreed

I think your "quote" got screwed up....I was reading my quote in that post and it didnt match....realized part of it was your response

 

[Zekeats]

I think your "quote" got screwed up....I was reading my quote in that post and it didnt match....realized part of it was your response

yes, sorry