The NFL botched the Ezekiel Elliott probe, but won't admit it

jrumann59

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in matters between private parties not related to employment law COTUS has little power, since COTUS is more a barrier for infringement as it pertains to govt over the people. The place that does have a lot of power is the court because there are a lot of legal precedences(if there is any in this situation) that can be brought up.
 

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It's my understanding that the NFLPA has given the NFL full discretion in these matters.

It doesn't give the NFL to be judge jury and executioner of anything or anyone. Which in Zeke's case this is what the league is doing exactly.
 

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It may not be a court case yet, but I feel that it soon will be.

And I believe that it will come down to the NFL vs the 6th amendment to the Constitution, in which an individual is "innocent until proven guilty".

That is specifically what is attempted to be circumvented here.

The 6th amendment has no bearing on this at all. That applies to criminal cases brought by the state.
 

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It is not going to matter what the NFLPA did when it gets to federal court. Federal courts have a habit of doing what they want when they want.

Unfortunately (overall, not necessarily for the result of some cases), this is true.
 

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Under the CBA once Henderson the arbitrator rules, NFLPA can, and more than likely will file a petition in U.S. District Court to vacate the Arbitration award under the Federal Arbitration Act (FAA) - 9 U.S. Code Section 10.

Under the FAA, an award maybe vacated where the arbitrator was guilty of misconduct in refusing to hear evidence pertinent and material to the controversy, and the arbitrator was partial and awarded his own brand of 'justice'.
During the entire NFL's investigative process, Goodell's ruling, and Henderson's arbitration award, if it can be shown that "fundamental fairness" was violated, EE's suspension can be vacated (overturned).

The fact that EE's team was unable to cross-examine his accuser under oath to determine her credibility (inconsistent statements to police officers, combined with affidavits signed under oath which conflict with her statements), & the opportunity to verify and challenge the authentication of documents, photos, and phone records as submitted truthful facts to the NFL investigation panel, exposes the NFL to the asserted claim that EE was treated unfair and there were legal deficiencies in the overall process.

Where is it spelled out in the CBA of the specific rights of the accused with regards to a criminal investigation?
More so, what are the exact rules and procedures that govern such a NFL investigation -- objection to admittance of evidence that is considered false, challenging the conclusions of the medical panel, irrelevant evidence, objection to hearsay statements, cross-examination of witnesses, etc.,

The fact that EE was denied an opportunity to confront his accuser, examine lead NFL investigator Lisa Friel's conclusions, and the fact that EE legal team lacked discovery to equal access to the overall investigative file suggests that EE was treated unjustly.

Individuals like to rely on the Brady case -- to assume that the NFL will win ultimately in court.
Brady's alleged conduct though dealt with the internal workplace notions of integrity and competitive balance -- whether or not footballs were deflated.

The CBA may have granted Goodell the power to suspend a player based on conduct without an actual criminal conviction--but the fact that the CBA is silent on the rules and procedures of the NFL investigation for an alleged criminal conduct of a player deprives that player of a fair and consistent process to the challenge the discipline.

The incoherent NFL policy on this issue should allow a court to circumvent the CBA to ensure the player is treated fairly by the NFL.

Given the severity of the alleged crime, and if the process and procedure to suspend a player, who was not criminally charged, is unfair, inconsistent, & lacked due process -- it is very possible a court will second-guess the decision by Goodell, and the arbitrator.

Goodell and his kangaroo court, and this Gong-Show 'criminal' investigation, along with the CBA, is not immune from the basic traditional and customary protections of the accused.

#FreeZeke
 

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Zeke's DV case is different from all the others because it didn't even go through a court of a law. Not many people really knew about the details of this case until the league decided to suspend him.

How can the NFL charge him for something which he didn't do? The league doesn't have that range of power and certainly the CBA doesn't give that type of power to the commissioner.

Innocent until proven guilty stands for something in this country. If it didn't, than the league can accuse anyone of anything. Like Zeke is a child molester and a rapist. This is not like the Brady case because his was nothing more than a conduct policy. This is a DV policy and it should be proven in court that Zeke did something before the league level any charges against a player.

I mostly agree. The NFL can suspend all they want by the right the NFLPA gave them in the CBA, but they insinuated he's a women beater and shes a victim, rather than an alledged victim. They shouldn't be allowed to choose guilt on something like this, especially when it comes to DV which could effect future sponsorship earnings.

And for f sakes don't have a hardcore Giants fan who ruled a one game suspension for a Giants player who beat his wife 20 times be in charge of DV cases
 

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I mostly agree. The NFL can suspend all they want by the right the NFLPA gave them in the CBA, but they insinuated he's a women beater and shes a victim, rather than an alledged victim. They shouldn't be allowed to choose guilt on something like this, especially when it comes to DV which could effect future sponsorship earnings.

And for f sakes don't have a hardcore Giants fan who ruled a one game suspension for a Giants player who beat his wife 20 times be in charge of DV cases

All this will be used as ammunition in Zeke's favor.

People like to mention that the NFL has the rights to rule based on the conduct policy similar to Brady's case. However, this is not a conduct related policy. Its a domestic violence case. In order for a domestic violence case to officially become a domestic violence case, it has to court first. So if its not domestic violence case the NFL doesn't have to rights to suspend Zeke for anything but that.
 

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Oh yes it is. The Constitution supersedes all laws in the United States of America. If you do business in the Unites States, you must abide by it INCLUDING the NFL.

The Constitution restricts the Government, not businesses.
 

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in matters between private parties not related to employment law COTUS has little power, since COTUS is more a barrier for infringement as it pertains to govt over the people. The place that does have a lot of power is the court because there are a lot of legal precedences(if there is any in this situation) that can be brought up.

All entities in the United States are bound by the constitution. If this case goes to court, and the constitution is at play, then the constitution supersedes any other law in the land.
 

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The Constitution restricts the Government, not businesses.

United States Federal Law originates with the U.S. Constitution, which gives Congress the power to enact statutes like regulating interstate commerce.
Businesses are subject to federal laws & federal regulations.
So, in essence the Constitution does in fact restrict/regulate a business.
 

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Everyone should welcome their day in court to be heard. It's a constitutional right in this country. Elliott's shouldn't be taken away, not by anybody.

And I'm certain that Thompson will waive that right (to testify) because she can't possibly reconcile all of he lies and inaccuracies.

That will separate the "offender" from the "victim" quite clearly.
She will be shredded to pieces on any cross examination.
 

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I've heard some other people say that too. But I don't see where anyone could have given the league anything that contradicts innocent until proven guilty.

I also can't find where this "discression" was agreed to, since the Ray Rice incident occurred after the latest CBA was agreed to.

We're certainly going to find out either way.
This is where the CBA hurts players. Courts are not going to intervene in disciplinary actions that were collectively bargained. His best chance is defamation/slander but it's a high standard.
 

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Thompson is a money-hungry bimbo that is butt-hurt because Zeke finally realized that he can't have her present him when he gets his HOF award as a Cowboy; thus, he dumped her

Here you go, ladies -- eligible bachelor, lol.
 

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This is where the CBA hurts players. Courts are not going to intervene in disciplinary actions that were collectively bargained. His best chance is defamation/slander but it's a high standard.

They'll intervene where a U.S. Citizen's right to a trial and "innocence until proven guilty" is thrown aside in a move made strictly for appearances and courting public opinion.

This isn't deflating footballs, this is being punished as a criminal without a trial.
 
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