The NFL botched the Ezekiel Elliott probe, but won't admit it

Your attorney would urge you not to speak out on the allegations; to the point of ending his/her representation if you insisted.

An example to the negative is Martin Shkreli, the individual who drastically raised the cost of drugs after acquiring the companies. He was on trial for fraud to his investors. Both before and during his trial, his attorneys told him not to publicly speak out on not only the trial, but any issue. Shkreli continued to speak out re trial on public media and press conferences. Eventually, during the trial, the prosecutors and his lawyers made a motion to gag Shkreli, which was granted.

Now, his statements were of no importance for the case at trial; however, during the sentencing the prosecutors can bring up every one of his statements to show a lack of remorse and a lack of respect for the trial and/ or defrauded investors, in order to seek a higher sentence and fines.

True, his attorneys were not going to threaten their representation; hourly 4 figure billing would make one hesitant to walk away. But I am sure he was warned strenuously about the affect on sentencing. It is likely he ignored it because he was positive he would not be convicted.
But was he innocent?

Its not about the ability to win a case, to be declared "not guilty", to not be convicted. It's about truth. Did he or did he not do the things that were alleged. The truth!

If your are truly innocent then there ia nothing you can say that will incriminate you because there is nothing to be incriminated for.
 
If your are truly innocent then there ia nothing you can say that will incriminate you because there is nothing to be incriminated for.
You can't be that naive...........plenty of innocent men are in jail right now because they were tricked in the interrogation room
 
You can't be that naive...........plenty of innocent men are in jail right now because they were tricked in the interrogation room

There is no interrogation.....all he has to do is say publically that he didn't do it, emphatically. How hard can that be? Until then I and I'm sure many others will have doubts as by my count he has never once done this.
 
But was he innocent?

Its not about the ability to win a case, to be declared "not guilty", to not be convicted. It's about truth. Did he or did he not do the things that were alleged. The truth!

If your are truly innocent then there ia nothing you can say that will incriminate you because there is nothing to be incriminated for.
Real Life don't work like that sometimes. Human error and certain motivations make that so. Be great if it did though!
Wouldn't it be great if we could be perfect at things?
 
Real Life don't work like that sometimes. Human error and certain motivations make that so. Be great if it did though!
Wouldn't it be great if we could be perfect at things?
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You can't be that naive...........plenty of innocent men are in jail right now because they were tricked in the interrogation room
You are speaking in a very general sense.

As it pertains to domestic violence:

How can a police officer convince you that you beat a woman when you didn't?

How could you not welcome "interogation" to demonstrate the futily of charging a person who is unquestionably innocent. You know he is innocent because "he" is you and YOU DIDNT DO IT!
 
Real Life don't work like that sometimes. Human error and certain motivations make that so. Be great if it did though!
Wouldn't it be great if we could be perfect at things?
There is such a thing as being perfectly innocent of an accusation. You either did it or you didn't do it.
 
You are speaking in a very general sense.

As it pertains to domestic violence:

How can a police officer convince you that you beat a woman when you didn't?

How could you not welcome "interogation" to demonstrate the futily of charging a person who is unquestionably innocent. You know he is innocent because "he" is you and YOU DIDNT DO IT!
Just putting yourself there.......admitting there was an argument.... admitting you were angry

Saying you grabbed her arm so she couldn't hit you ........ these can all be true and innocent and still used to put a man in jail
 
There is such a thing as being perfectly innocent of an accusation. You either did it or you didn't do it.
This is true, but Real Life sometimes doesn't recognize that fact. Through no fault of the innocent.
You dispute this?
 
But was he innocent?

Its not about the ability to win a case, to be declared "not guilty", to not be convicted. It's about truth. Did he or did he not do the things that were alleged. The truth!

If your are truly innocent then there ia nothing you can say that will incriminate you because there is nothing to be incriminated for.

Well yes he is innocent until proven guilty. So unless a court of law tries him for a crime he is innocent. The NFL vigilante means of justice doesn't count. They're not a court of law and have no power to act as if they are.
 
The appeal is being heard by someone other than Goodell. Who knows what Henderson will be considering.

More broadly is the discussion of what is the appropriate method of determining fault and thus punishment. The NFL could do whatever they want sure but that does not mean that they should or more specifically that we should support them.

Personally I think that the NFL thinks it has a better system than the Constitution and the US courts to be laughable.

And given that the NFL pays attention to public opinion it matters very much if we as a whole think that the NFL is screwing the proverbial pooch here. Both for the upcoming appeal and how these types of things will be dealt with in the future. The CBA is going to be renegotiated here in a couple of years and as fans we all have an interest in the outcome. It does affect us as consumers.

I don't disagree with anything you're saying other than the idea that "public opinion" is actually at play.

We're too deep in it to realize nobody else really cares. Same as the other times Goodell has proven himself void of reason.

I can promise you, even the fans of teams that have been screwed in the past couldn't be bothered to come to Dallas' aid. I'm best friends with a guy that's a Saints fan, and he was up in arms when the eye of Goodell came their way.

Now? All he cares about is his fantasy team.
 
But was he innocent?

Its not about the ability to win a case, to be declared "not guilty", to not be convicted. It's about truth. Did he or did he not do the things that were alleged. The truth!

If your are truly innocent then there ia nothing you can say that will incriminate you because there is nothing to be incriminated for.


No.

If you are criminally charged in a case, there is something the prosecution is basing the charge on, innocent or not.

Any good; hell, any decent lawyer will advise you to kept quiet because while you may see it as innocent, the prosecution may be able to use it to tie a few loose strings together.
 
Well yes he is innocent until proven guilty. So unless a court of law tries him for a crime he is innocent. The NFL vigilante means of justice doesn't count. They're not a court of law and have no power to act as if they are.
I'm not talking about this from a legal standpoint, guilty or not guilty, innocent until proven guilty. We are not the court system. Truth is not an excercise in judicial prowess.

I am straight up asking if anyone here absolutely believes that Ezekiel Elliott never, not even once, was physically abusive towards that woman.

Without hiding behind the rules governing criminal convictions, what is your gut feeling? The rule of law doesn't mean jack when it comes to truth. All they determine is whether there is enough proof to convict.

If I murder someone and there isn"t enough proof to charge me it doea not mean that I am not a murderer. I killed the guy. Then I got away with it. Still, I am a murderer.

Look, I also beleive that the NFL has no business suspending players for some moral standard. It is hypocritical. There are owners that hit a woman. There are owners that used 16 year old hookers. They might have kept it hideden, being rich can give you legal asvantages.

My main point is that they should not have the power to suspend but I am disappointed in aome of Zekee's choices.
 
I'm not talking about this from a legal standpoint, guilty or not guilty, innocent until proven guilty. We are not the court system. Truth is not an excercise in judicial prowess.

I am straight up asking if anyone here absolutely believes that Ezekiel Elliott never, not even once, was physically abusive towards that woman.

Without hiding behind the rules governing criminal convictions, what is your gut feeling? The rule of law doesn't mean jack when it comes to truth. All they determine is whether there is enough proof to convict.

If I murder someone and there isn"t enough proof to charge me it doea not mean that I am not a murderer. I killed the guy. Then I got away with it. Still, I am a murderer.

Look, I also beleive that the NFL has no business suspending players for some moral standard. It is hypocritical. There are owners that hit a woman. There are owners that used 16 year old hookers. They might have kept it hideden, being rich can give you legal asvantages.

My main point is that they should not have the power to suspend but I am disappointed in aome of Zekee's choices.
Personally I have no reason to believe Elliot has ever been physically abusive towards women. Why would I? Likewise, I don't have any reason to believe you have either.
 
I'm not talking about this from a legal standpoint, guilty or not guilty, innocent until proven guilty. We are not the court system. Truth is not an excercise in judicial prowess.

I am straight up asking if anyone here absolutely believes that Ezekiel Elliott never, not even once, was physically abusive towards that woman.

Without hiding behind the rules governing criminal convictions, what is your gut feeling? The rule of law doesn't mean jack when it comes to truth. All they determine is whether there is enough proof to convict.

If I murder someone and there isn"t enough proof to charge me it doea not mean that I am not a murderer. I killed the guy. Then I got away with it. Still, I am a murderer.

Look, I also beleive that the NFL has no business suspending players for some moral standard. It is hypocritical. There are owners that hit a woman. There are owners that used 16 year old hookers. They might have kept it hideden, being rich can give you legal asvantages.

My main point is that they should not have the power to suspend but I am disappointed in aome of Zekee's choices.

Zeke co-signed for a car for her. Zeke also paid for her rent despite the testimonies from both Zeke and his father that they didn't live together. From the text message I read, Zeke also wanted her to come to his birthday party and was disappointed when she was making a fuss. Which brings me to conclude that Zeke cared for her and that he really liked her.

So i think a women beater doesn't go and buy her a car, pay her rent and invites her to birthdays to meet his friends. Women beaters treat women as property and could care less about them. Thus I don't think he beat her and anyways. Just from their text conversation it just doesn't sound like it.
 
Zeke co-signed for a car for her. Zeke also paid for her rent despite the testimonies from both Zeke and his father that they didn't live together. From the text message I read, Zeke also wanted her to come to his birthday party and was disappointed when she was making a fuss. Which brings me to conclude that Zeke cared for her and that he really liked her.

So i think a women beater doesn't go and buy her a car, pay her rent and invites her to birthdays to meet his friends. Women beaters treat women as property and could care less about them. Thus I don't think he beat her and anyways. Just from their text conversation it just doesn't sound like it.


I don't believe that Zeke had any domestic violence with her. The evidence just does not support it.
 
I don't believe that Zeke had any domestic violence with her. The evidence just does not support it.

So do I. He doesn't sound like the type. I read thru all the text messages and report. Zeke seems sweet and kind like some teen age kid trying to charm and older woman.
 
Maybe Zeke did cause the injuries during rough sex. Maybe he did slam her up against the door during sex.

I find it hard to believe they were together for 4-5 days without any sex? I listened to TT's testimony and why didn't sex come up at all? They just fell asleep next to each other every night? Ok
 

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