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[CowboyFrog]

Derek Carr accomplished what Dak couldn't: leading his team to a victory against a tough defense.

Again your on a Cowboys forum...if 2 QB's throw for 400 yards..yeah as a Cowboys fan I'm touting my QB. I dont know why you think that is wierd?

 

[Irvin88_4life]

None of you, especially either the NFL passer rating metric or the BSPN QBR metric, take into account the quality of Defense opposing QBs are having to face. THAT makes a huge difference.

I seriously doubt any of the other top Week 1 rated QBs would have performed much better against the Buccaneers. Certainly, none of them would have passed for over 400 yards and at least 3 TDs.

Since 2020 there have been eight 400 yard passers.......Dak has 4 of them

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Aikman didnt win anything. The Cowboys team did. Aikman had that opportunity because of the team and players around him.

This is the simple concept that QB challenged laymans like you dont understand and never will.

Aikman couldnt win a game with Emmitt. When Aikman didnt have great talent he was terrible.

When Emmitt held out they went 0-2, Emmitt came back and they won the superbowl

 

[RonnieT24]

Since 2020 there have been eight 400 yard passers.......Dak has 4 of them

Yeah but the Cowboys are 1-3 in those games as I recall. They need to figure out how to be more balanced man..

 

[RonnieT24]

When Emmitt held out they went 0-2, Emmitt came back and they won the superbowl

Fact: Of the three "triplets" the Cowboys had a winning record without all of them ...except Emmitt.. Emmitt was the engine for that team plain and simple. In games that he missed or did not finish because of an early injury their record was terrible. Don't take my word for it.. look it up.. It's one of the reason I take exception when people constantly discredit Emmitt citing "he had a great line and a great team around him ...." As great as they supposedly were, without a healthy Emmitt they flat out sucked....

 

[RomoplusDezEquals7]

The Cowboys are 6-12 in their last 18 games with Dak starting at QB. Like it or not, QB's a primarily judged on win's and losses, because they are the most important position on the football field and effect the game more then any other position.

The Cowboys with Dak starting at QB haven't won 2 games in a row in over 2 years. The Buc's are not a great passing defense and they geared up to stop the run. Did Dak, have a good game? Absolutely he did. Was it some amazing game that numerous QB's in the league aren't capable of? No, it wasn't as we saw after all the games have been played this weekend. Numerous QB's had a better game then Dak. With all that said, I give him credit, he came back from a gruesome injury and had a good game. Dak is a good QB. He's not great, he's not bad, but he is good. Anyone trying to say he's terrible or great is just wrong. He's a good QB that's paid as if he's great. Now he may someday prove to be great, but as of now he's being paid to be a great QB off of a good QB's resume.

I'm been wrong many times before, I don't think he will ever prove to be more then a good QB and as of now that is still what he is. Time will tell.

 

[RonnieT24]

The Cowboys are 6-12 in their last 18 games with Dak starting at QB. Like it or not, QB's a primarily judged on win's and losses, because they are the most important position on the football field and effect the game more then any other position.

You left out "by stupid fans.."

The Cowboys with Dak starting at QB haven't won 2 games in a row in over 2 years. The Buc's are not a great passing defense and they geared up to stop the run. Did Dak, have a good game? Absolutely he did. Was it some amazing game that numerous QB's in the league aren't capable of? No, it wasn't as we saw after all the games have been played this weekend. Numerous QB's had a better game then Dak. With all that said, I give him credit, he came back from a gruesome injury and had a good game. Dak is a good QB. He's not great, he's not bad, but he is good. Anyone trying to say he's terrible or great is just wrong. He's a good QB that's paid as if he's great. Now he may someday prove to be great, but as of now he's being paid to be a great QB off of a good QB's resume.

I'm been wrong many times before, I don't think he will ever prove to be more then a good QB and as of now that is still what he is. Time will tell.

So you're dug in.. Thanks for admitting that. I don't expect your mind to ever change no matter what Dak does up to and including winning it all you'll be able to rationalize it. I mean the Bucs had 3 corners in the game for 80% of our offensive snaps. How the hell is that "geared up for the run?" You sound like a maroon when you say things like this.. Numerous Qbs did not have a better game than Dak for the simple reason that numerous QBs didn't face the Super Bowl champs without their best interior lineman. But I know you were not impressed by what Dak accomplished. Fine.. He's going to continue to go out and play well anyway.. which will force people like you to have to do even great contortions to downplay anything he does.. Which is entertaining in a morbid sort of way.

 

[RomoplusDezEquals7]

You left out "by stupid fans.."



So you're dug in.. Thanks for admitting that. I don't expect your mind to ever change no matter what Dak does up to and including winning it all you'll be able to rationalize it. I mean the Bucs had 3 corners in the game for 80% of our offensive snaps. How the hell is that "geared up for the run?" You sound like a maroon when you say things like this.. Numerous Qbs did not have a better game than Dak for the simple reason that numerous QBs didn't face the Super Bowl champs without their best interior lineman. But I know you were not impressed by what Dak accomplished. Fine.. He's going to continue to go out and play well anyway.. which will force people like you to have to do even great contortions to downplay anything he does.. Which is entertaining in a morbid sort of way.

I just said he had a good game. Which he did. The Buc's had the 21st pass defense last year. No matter how you try to rationalize it, they don't have a good pass defense. The Buc's had an 8 man box for most of the evening. I just said numerous times Dak is a good QB. So far in his career he has not proven to be great. How does that make me a moron or make me take away from anything he's accomplished. He's 6-12 in his last 18 games and hasn't won 2 games in a row in over 2 years. You're wrong that QB's aren't judged on win's and losses. It's why QB's without great stats are in the hall of fame and some with amazing stats aren't. Dak is an awesome guy from what I can tell and a good QB. I don't dislike him at all, he just is what he is so far. No reason to call me names for stating that.

And as I said time will tell. If the Buc's pass defense is great this year we will see by other teams performances against them. If they aren't we will see. Based off of games this weekend though Dak's performance wasn't even in the top 5. Could argue even the top 10. But, I'll say it again he is coming off a terrible injury and had a good game. I give him credit. Maybe this team with Dak as their leader and paid as a great QB can start winning some and maybe even two in a row at some point.

 

[EGTuna]

None of you, especially either the NFL passer rating metric or the BSPN QBR metric, take into account the quality of Defense opposing QBs are having to face. THAT makes a huge difference.

I seriously doubt any of the other top Week 1 rated QBs would have performed much better against the Buccaneers. Certainly, none of them would have passed for over 400 yards and at least 3 TDs.

FootballOutsiders does, and by their DYAR metric, Dak was the 5th best QB this past week.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2021/qr-week-1-will-allen-robinson-ever-get-good-qb

 

[RonnieT24]

I just said he had a good game. Which he did. The Buc's had the 21st pass defense last year. No matter how you try to rationalize it, they don't have a good pass defense. The Buc's had an 8 man box for most of the evening. I just said numerous times Dak is a good QB. So far in his career he has not proven to be great. How does that make me a moron or make me take away from anything he's accomplished. He's 6-12 in his last 18 games and hasn't won 2 games in a row in over 2 years. You're wrong that QB's aren't judged on win's and losses. It's why QB's without great stats are in the hall of fame and some with amazing stats aren't. Dak is an awesome guy from what I can tell and a good QB. I don't dislike him at all, he just is what he is so far. No reason to call me names for stating that.

Again this aint 1 on 1 hoops.. When a QB throws for 400 yards and 3 TDs and you lose then it's softheaded to say "He lost.." QBs are only judged by wins and losses when it suits people's agendas. When Dak was winning 80% of his games while putting up modest stats the same people who now say it's about wins and losses were claiming he wasn't any good because they were winning and he wasn't throwing for big numbers. Back then it was "the team." Now that script has flipped and Dak and the passing game are the best thing this team has going now "It's the QB." I believe the term for that intellectual dishonesty..

And as I said time will tell. If the Buc's pass defense is great this year we will see by other teams performances against them. If they aren't we will see. Based off of games this weekend though Dak's performance wasn't even in the top 5. Could argue even the top 10. But, I'll say it again he is coming off a terrible injury and had a good game. I give him credit. Maybe this team with Dak as their leader and paid as a great QB can start winning some and maybe even two in a row at some point.

Somehow it always comes back to salary with you guys. I'm at a loss to understand why people have such a hard time understanding the relationship between pay and play. Play determines how you get paid.. Getting paid doesn't determine how you play. Yall need to get over that nonsense. He's going to make an average of 40 million a year for the next 4 years. Nothing said here or anywhere else is going to change it.. I will focus on the things that CAN change.. which is how he plays.. I mostly agree with you that Dak has not shown himself to be a great QB yet. But he is piling up more and more evidence that he is.. He's over 400 yards in the last 4 games he's finished with 11 TDs and 4 INTs. Put in perspective that's a pace of over 6400 yards 44 TDs and 16 INTs.. That's just insane.. There is only one word to describe that level of play.. "Great." Oh wait.. we have 17 games this year.. so that's a pace of over 6800 yards 48 TDs and 20 INTs. If he does that he will win the MVP by a mile even if this team only wins 9 games.

 

[KB1122]

Since 2020 there have been eight 400 yard passers.......Dak has 4 of them

What was our record in those 4 games?

 

[RomoplusDezEquals7]

Again this aint 1 on 1 hoops.. When a QB throws for 400 yards and 3 TDs and you lose then it's softheaded to say "He lost.." QBs are only judged by wins and losses when it suits people's agendas. When Dak was winning 80% of his games while putting up modest stats the same people who now say it's about wins and losses were claiming he wasn't any good because they were winning and he wasn't throwing for big numbers. Back then it was "the team." Now that script has flipped and Dak and the passing game are the best thing this team has going now "It's the QB." I believe the term for that intellectual dishonesty..



Somehow it always comes back to salary with you guys. I'm at a loss to understand why people have such a hard time understanding the relationship between pay and play. Play determines how you get paid.. Getting paid doesn't determine how you play. Yall need to get over that nonsense. He's going to make an average of 40 million a year for the next 4 years. Nothing said here or anywhere else is going to change it.. I will focus on the things that CAN change.. which is how he plays.. I mostly agree with you that Dak has not shown himself to be a great QB yet. But he is piling up more and more evidence that he is.. He's over 400 yards in the last 4 games he's finished with 11 TDs and 4 INTs. Put in perspective that's a pace of over 6400 yards 44 TDs and 16 INTs.. That's just insane.. There is only one word to describe that level of play.. "Great." Oh wait.. we have 17 games this year.. so that's a pace of over 6800 yards 48 TDs and 20 INTs. If he does that he will win the MVP by a mile even if this team only wins 9 games.

I never said win's and losses are the only metric for QB's. I said they are the primary metric. I don't think many would disagree with that. And that fact is Dak is 6-12 in his last 18 games. Is that all his fault? Absolutely not. But, as Bill Parcellls would say "you are what your record says you are."

Yes it comes to salary, because I want a team that can compete. There is a salary cap and I want money to make this defense better. I think our main disagreement is that I think Dak is a good QB and you think he's borderline great. I think he has a long long ways to go to prove great as I don't think there has ever been a great QB go on a 6-12 record during a stretch in their career, as great QB's carry teams. Dak was extremely mediocre until Amari got here, but his credit he's work on his craft and improved. I very well could be proved wrong and will admit it if I am, but not sure how anyone could put Dak as a great QB at this point in his career.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Since 2020 there have been eight 400 yard passers.......Dak has 4 of them

That's amazing! Dak has turned himself into a bonafied top passer in this league. It's sad that some of our own fans refuse to acknowledge that. I hope they come around.

 

[America's Cowboy]

The Cowboys are 6-12 in their last 18 games with Dak starting at QB. Like it or not, QB's a primarily judged on win's and losses, because they are the most important position on the football field and effect the game more then any other position.

The Cowboys with Dak starting at QB haven't won 2 games in a row in over 2 years. The Buc's are not a great passing defense and they geared up to stop the run. Did Dak, have a good game? Absolutely he did. Was it some amazing game that numerous QB's in the league aren't capable of? No, it wasn't as we saw after all the games have been played this weekend. Numerous QB's had a better game then Dak. With all that said, I give him credit, he came back from a gruesome injury and had a good game. Dak is a good QB. He's not great, he's not bad, but he is good. Anyone trying to say he's terrible or great is just wrong. He's a good QB that's paid as if he's great. Now he may someday prove to be great, but as of now he's being paid to be a great QB off of a good QB's resume.

I'm been wrong many times before, I don't think he will ever prove to be more then a good QB and as of now that is still what he is. Time will tell.

So according to you, the Cowboys lost to the Buccaneers because of Dak????????

PS: You believe Dak was "extreme" mediocre before Amari showed up?

Did you forget about Dak's rookie 2016 season? How about his 2018 season?

 

[RomoplusDezEquals7]

So according to you, the Cowboys lost to the Buccaneers because of Dak????????

PS: You believe Dak was "extreme" mediocre before Amari showed up?

Did you forget about Dak's rookie 2016 season? How about his 2018 season?

Nope. I never said they lost the Buc's game because of Dak. But, they did lose and Dak is the QB. I'll say it again, Dak played a good game vs the Buc's. It wasn't an amazing game as some want to turn it into. 2/3 of the QB's in this league will throw for 400 yards on 58 attempts. Heck Mac Jones had a 7.4 YPA (Dak 6.9 YPA) and Mac was checking down all game long. Throwing for 400 yards on 58 attempts is not difficult in this league for an NFL QB. With all of that said 1 pick on that many attempts is impressive and he played a good game.

In 2016 the team was really good. The O-line and Zeke and the defense being opportunistic were the reason that team was good. Dak played his part to that team well though.

In 2018 before Amari got there Dak was extremely mediocre. He just was. In 2016, you are correct he was not.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Nope. I never said they lost the Buc's game because of Dak. But, they did lose and Dak is the QB. I'll say it again, Dak played a good game vs the Buc's. It wasn't an amazing game as some want to turn it into. 2/3 of the QB's in this league will throw for 400 yards on 58 attempts. Heck Mac Jones had a 7.4 YPA (Dak 6.9 YPA) and Mac was checking down all game long. Throwing for 400 yards on 58 attempts is not difficult in this league for an NFL QB. With all of that said 1 pick on that many attempts is impressive and he played a good game.

In 2016 the team was really good. The O-line and Zeke and the defense being opportunistic were the reason that team was good. Dak played his part to that team well though.

In 2018 before Amari got there Dak was extremely mediocre. He just was. In 2016, you are correct he was not.

No way do those QBs throw for 400+ yards against the Buccaneers D, even after 58 attempts.

 

[RomoplusDezEquals7]

No way do those QBs throw for 400+ yards against the Buccaneers D, even after 58 attempts.

The QB's performances over the weekend and last night don't support what you are saying. Dak was 26th in the league in YPA. 58 attempts is a crazy amount of attempts. Throwing for 400 yards for an NFL QB in today's NFL is not a difficult thing in today's NFL with 58 attempts. You just never see a QB throw that much. The closest this weekend was Jared Goff with 57 and he threw for 338. Dak didn't make mistakes though for throwing 58 times. He played a good game. It wasn't an amazing game, it wasn't an "oh my gosh no QB could do this." And QB's YPA prove it. 6.9 YPA is a mediocre number. And as I've already stated, based off last year the Buc's had the 21st rated pass defense. Passing against them isn't some great feat.

With all of this said, Dak did play a good game. It just wasn't some great game some want to make it.

 

[America's Cowboy]

The QB's performances over the weekend and last night don't support what you are saying. Dak was 26th in the league in YPA. 58 attempts is a crazy amount of attempts. Throwing for 400 yards for an NFL QB in today's NFL is not a difficult thing in today's NFL with 58 attempts. You just never see a QB throw that much. The closest this weekend was Jared Goff with 57 and he threw for 338. Dak didn't make mistakes though for throwing 58 times. He played a good game. It wasn't an amazing game, it wasn't an "oh my gosh no QB could do this." And QB's YPA prove it. 6.9 YPA is a mediocre number.

Hey, those other QBs didn't play against the defending SB Champ's Defense at their house on a celebratory opening banner night!!!

 

[CowboyFrog]

The QB's performances over the weekend and last night don't support what you are saying. Dak was 26th in the league in YPA. 58 attempts is a crazy amount of attempts. Throwing for 400 yards for an NFL QB in today's NFL is not a difficult thing in today's NFL with 58 attempts. You just never see a QB throw that much. The closest this weekend was Jared Goff with 57 and he threw for 338. Dak didn't make mistakes though for throwing 58 times. He played a good game. It wasn't an amazing game, it wasn't an "oh my gosh no QB could do this." And QB's YPA prove it. 6.9 YPA is a mediocre number. And as I've already stated, based off last year the Buc's had the 21st rated pass defense. Passing against them isn't some great feat.

With all of this said, Dak did play a good game. It just wasn't some great game some want to make it.

I mean the game that defense played before that....they held a pretty good QB to well under that. Did they not?

 

[RomoplusDezEquals7]

Here's another fun fact that we like to base QB metrics off of. 4th quarter comebacks and/or game winning drives. In the last 2 years and 9 months Dak has 2, one being the Falcons last year, which I think we'd all agree a flobbed onside kick is the reason why. Before that you have to go all the way back to December 30th of 2018 against the Giants. 2 game winning drives in his last 22 games played.