The NFL QB Rating

[America's Cowboy]

I dont think anyone is Failing to understand anything at this point.....the stances are and have been set, If you watched that game and came away thinking Dak is our problem...nothing about actual football will change thier minds. We couldn't run the ball even when our QB was shredding the defense...We have a majoe hole in our secondary that got exposed all night, the ST was bad in all jobs. In the redzone if you have 0 fear of the offense gaining meaningfull yards running the ball pass coverage becomes REAL EASY they stopped the run with 5 and 6 man boxes which means you have 6 to 5 in zone coverage on a short field....again no one is failing to see this, they see what they want to see.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Mahomes also dropped 460 for 3 TDs and no turnovers in the regular season win against TB which made the SB all the more shocking.

Teddy Bridgewater threw for 330.

Goff threw for 376.

And then of course Brees beat them by 28, and ran the clock out so his yardage stat didn’t get as inflated after he threw his 4th TD.

They were 21st in pass D because they earned it. They allowed 400 yards week one, it’s way too early to say they’ll be better than that.

But that doesn’t mean Dak didn’t have a very good game. However, there have been many sentiments here who have said there isn’t a human being alive who can do what Dak did, and that’s a bit silly.

But did any of them face the Super Bowl champs without their best player on the field?

 

[LandryFan]

The changes in the rules and the evolving game have absolutely changed the QB evaluation metrics. Aikman would rank...well...horrible. According to today's stats, Aikman was subpar. But if you watched the games, he became surgeon-like as the games became more and more important. He controlled the whole game. The game was just slower because the defenses at the time had SO much more latitude. The stats don't really reflect the modern game. How can you change the metrics to reflect the what makes a great game by a QB? No idea. It will have to be completely changed, though.

Rules changes have absolutely created two eras of football. It kind of bothers me to hear people to refer to any particular player today as GOAT and the like. If todays QB's (any of them) had to play by the same rules in the era when QB's could be absolutely physically assaulted and receivers mauled all the way down the field (beyond today's 5 yd barrier), you can bet their stats would be far different. There's a reason why there are a number of HoF QB's that had an interception rate near their TD rate. I recall a game in which Aikman (in his rookie year, I think) got drilled in the chin by the crown of a rushing lineman's helmet right as he was releasing the pass. I think the pass went for an 80+ yd TD, and Aikman got damn near knocked out and had to have stitches that left a permanent scar on his chin. No flag was thrown because that's the way the game was played then. I'm OK with someone claiming that a QB is the GOAT of his era, but to say they're the GOAT of all time is disputable, in my opinion. We aren't comparing apples to apples in that case.
The same logic can apply to receivers from today vs yesteryear.

 

[RaZon]

Dak

Russ had a helluva game.. however I think most would agree that the Bucs are a tougher opponent than the Colts and their turnover machine QB.. I could not resist the opportunity to point out that Wentz is still up to his old tricks.. Dude is just really good at turning the ball over at the worst possible time. It's a gift I think..

Everyone would agree the Buc;s are the best team in the NFL right now, BUT.....winning on the road in the NFL is huge, Wilson did that and looked great doing it. Nothing not to like so he gets my vote for stud QB of the week.

 

[75boyz]

I will not go as far to say "elite" to me elite is saved for those who perform at a top level every year but then my list of elites is very short so not really a knock on Dak. Having said that by all accounts Dak went out and played an outstanding game and it should be acknowledged but of course some have dug their heels in so deep they can't muster up the balls to say it.

The day the anti Dak side at CZ makes the confession of "Dak played well enough for the team to win or Dak did nothing towards preventing the team from losing."

And then the pro Dak side matches that same integrity by saying "Dak's performance is the primary factor for why the team lost."

Yea, hell will freeze over first before that ever happens.

Jerry's lack of accountability disease is so widespread that it strongly affects the fanbase as well.

jmo

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

But did any of them face the Super Bowl champs without their best player on the field?

Nope, as with most of those teams the QB was better than anyone else they had. Dallas is unique in contenders where that is not the case

 

[USArmyVet]

Which he parlayed into 100 more yards and 2 more passing TDs despite the defense having a thousand miles more film on him. Heinicke was decent against Tampa.. Dak was outstanding.. And lest we forget, Dak had to deal with a full house of 70,000 in full throat on banner raising night.. Heinicke played in front of what? 10,000 fans? I played in front of bigger crowds in high school..

Actually 65,556 attended the TB vs. Dallas game and no fans were allowed in the WASH vs. TB playoff game.

That said, Heinicke had 306 yards passing and 1 TD while adding 46 yards rushing and 1 TD for a total of 352 yards and 2 TD's.....Dak had 416 combined yards and 3 TD's.......so is Heinicke just 64 combined yards and 1 TD less a QB than Dak?

Point is stats are like a prism wherein the reflection can look any way someone wants depending on how the light is being bent.

 

[DFWJC]

Those pesky facts messin up a good narrative again.. I hate it when that happens..

Per official NFL final ranking
2020 Bears Pass D ranked 9th
2020 Bucs Pass D ranked 21st

But if we want to use his QB-rating-against stat (not really recognized but, fine, I get it) then it says Bears and Bucs pass Ds were almost identical.

That supports my point either way.

Hey, I think Dak played GREAT. Not sure why some get so defensive.

The point is if you heave it an astronomical 58 times, then 400 yards is almost expected. Certainly in the 350-450 range somewhere.

To Dak's credit--What set him apart was that he managed a 3 to 1 TD/int ratio with that many attempts.

 

[johneric8]

YouOTE="USArmyVet, post: 11167218, member: 41290"]The Dallas defense secured 4 turnovers and held TB to 13 points in the 2nd half.....so not sure why the slamming of the Dallas defense. Based on that thinking, Dak threw for just over 400 yards and 3 TD's against a Top 3 defense....so I guess that means the TB defense sucks and didn't help Brady at all.

Oh, and in the 2020 TB vs. KC game KC had a 27-10 lead heading into the 4th quarter but the KC defense gave up 14 points in the 4th quarter so not sure what you mean.Also, Brady threw 2 INT's earlier in the 2nd half and KC did not pick off Brady to end the game but rather it was the TB defense that couldn't stop Mahomes on KC's last drive which lasted 8 plays for 33 yards and 4 minutes 10 seconds.[/QUOTE]
You missed my point, the cowboys defense couldn't get it done when it mattered the most like the Chiefs defense did forget the rest of the game.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Per official NFL final ranking
2020 Bears Pass D ranked 9th
2020 Bucs Pass D ranked 21st

But if we want to use his QB-rating-against stat (not really recognized but, fine, I get it) then it says Bears and Bucs pass Ds were almost identical.

That supports my point either way.

Hey, I think Dak played GREAT. Not sure why some get so defensive.

The point is if you heave it an astronomical 58 times, then 400 yards is almost expected. Certainly in the 350-450 range somewhere.

To Dak's credit--What set him apart was that he managed a 3 to 1 TD/int ratio with that many attempts.

That is a great point...again if there is nor fear of any run/edge play in the redzone..5 to 6 guys will be in zone coverage and its going to be bad...I am a broken record at this point but WE HAVE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO BALANCE THIS OFFENSE...its the only way to have redzone success. KC does it with screens and draws Im good with that but you have got to get the LB's and Safties out of the zone they are sitting in to get lanes in the redzone.

 

[DFWJC]

After opening night, sports fans were blown away by the epic QB battle. Brady showed why he was the GOAT. And Dak silenced critics and earned everyone's respect. Nobody had a bad thing to say about the two QBs.

Fast forward a few nights, what we witnessed on Thursday was the most pathetic QB battle of opening week, according to the NFL passer rating metric.

https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/passing/2021/REG/all/passingpasserrating/DESC

Stafford and Wilson topped the week with 150+ ratings. Another 7 QBs had a 120+ rating.

The 5 lowest rated QBs were:
Dak
Baker
Brady
Goff
D. Jones

Dak is the only one in that group above 100. Nobody is below 90.

Some of the all-time greats barely had a season with a 90+ rating. Either modern QBs are that good, this metric is that meaningless, or evaluating a QB is more than just looking at stats.

Edit: My bad. Didn't realize there was a second page of results. Looks like Rodgers was actually the worst with a 36 rating. That being said, Dak and Brady were still in the bottom third according to the metric.

A few of us have done time/era-adjusted QB ratings.
If the sliding scale is applied as it should be, then most of the top QBs end up near the top regardless of era.

But it is true, due to rule changes, offensive schemes, etc......a 100 QB rating in 2020 was about the same as a 93-94 in 2010 or about an 87-88 in 2000....etc.

They are only meaningful when comparing current year vs current year.....not AT ALL meaningful comparing a rating in 2021 to a rating in 2001, for example.

 

[MyFairLady]

Every year at the end of the year the top QBs are in the top 5-10 in QB rating. It is the best metric available for determining the efficiency of your QB against their piers for that particular year. We all know that you can not compare eras. The average QB rating goes up every year. Thus far in his career Dak has been a good QB. His rookie year he was great. After that pretty much good. The QB ratings reflect that.

 

[DFWJC]

That is a great point...again if there is nor fear of any run/edge play in the redzone..5 to 6 guys will be in zone coverage and its going to be bad...I am a broken record at this point but WE HAVE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO BALANCE THIS OFFENSE...its the only way to have redzone success. KC does it with screens and draws Im good with that but you have got to get the LB's and Safties out of the zone they are sitting in to get lanes in the redzone.

We are going to run more vs the Chargers.
They have better pass D than TB but their run D is nowhere near as good.
Kellen Moore was just attacking the "relative" weakness.

 

[DFWJC]

Every year at the end of the year the top QBs are in the top 5-10 in QB rating. It is the best metric available for determining the efficiency of your QB against their piers for that particular year. We all know that you can not compare eras. The average QB rating goes up every year. Thus far in his career Dak has been a good QB. His rookie year he was great. After that pretty much good. The QB ratings reflect that.

Combine two stats and you almost always get the answer
1--Standard QB rating
2--Total TD-Total turnover differential (also includes rushing TDs and fumbles lost)

you can drive a bus and get a high QB rating, but if you add in the volume required to get a high total TD-Turnover differential (not a ratio but total difference) then you have to be delivering the goods.

 

[CCBoy]

Brady is 13th and Dak at about 10th...(yawning to self) Thanks for the producers of stat insiginicance and running for glory media. You had a lot of low grade manure.

Who have you beat? Let's go...

 

[RonnieT24]

Per official NFL final ranking
2020 Bears Pass D ranked 9th
2020 Bucs Pass D ranked 21st

But if we want to use his QB-rating-against stat (not really recognized but, fine, I get it) then it says Bears and Bucs pass Ds were almost identical.

That supports my point either way.

Hey, I think Dak played GREAT. Not sure why some get so defensive.

The point is if you heave it an astronomical 58 times, then 400 yards is almost expected. Certainly in the 350-450 range somewhere.

To Dak's credit--What set him apart was that he managed a 3 to 1 TD/int ratio with that many attempts.

Okay.. I am now official confused about the pass defensive rankings.. It does bear stating that the Bucs defense didn't really figure it out until about week 11 or 12. The Bears were certainly the more consistent unit over the course of the year though it does bear stating was that Stafford hung 400 yards on them last year as well. I think it's safe to say he knows them pretty well. But let's be real.. last year's rankings don't mean diddly poo (RIP Jim Mora) .. We will know in a few weeks if the Bucs are as good as last year and same for the Bears.. What I don't have any doubt about now is how good Dak is.. Dude's a baller.. I think we should keep him..

 

[RaZon]

i only care about TD/INT ratio, comp % and passer rating.

3 times more TD than INT, over 62% comp% and over 95 passer rating....yep, stud! Winning on the road is a biggie.

All that other stuff is meaningless.

 

[CowboyFrog]

We are going to run more vs the Chargers.
They have better pass D than TB but their run D is nowhere near as good.
Kellen Moore was just attacking the "relative" weakness.

I get it, and i didnt want to see us bang our heads all night into that interior D-line, we should have attacked the edges more and it would have opened up the redzone. I do think (hope) we run on the Chargers, but I want to see the coaches scheme around a defense by not abandoning the run or the pass.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Okay.. I am now official confused about the pass defensive rankings.. It does bear stating that the Bucs defense didn't really figure it out until about week 11 or 12. The Bears were certainly the more consistent unit over the course of the year though it does bear stating was that Stafford hung 400 yards on them last year as well. I think it's safe to say he knows them pretty well. But let's be real.. last year's rankings don't mean diddly poo (RIP Jim Mora) .. We will know in a few weeks if the Bucs are as good as last year and same for the Bears.. What I don't have any doubt about now is how good Dak is.. Dude's a baller.. I think we should keep him..

yes we should.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I get it, and i didnt want to see us bang our heads all night into that interior D-line, we should have attacked the edges more and it would have opened up the redzone. I do think (hope) we run on the Chargers, but I want to see the coaches scheme around a defense by not abandoning the run or the pass.

You go according to how the Oline goes.

The Oline needs to block much better and open up some holes if we truly plan on running the football more.