The NFL QB Rating

[CowboyFrog]

You go according to how the Oline goes.

The Oline needs to block much better and open up some holes if we truly plan on running the football more.

yes but again most teams have good and bad matchups at the LOS....because we cant ISO 1 does not mean abandon the LOS..screens, edge plays, draws...KM needs to figure this out because what we do know is 58 pasees usually gets you beat. Thats not on Dak at all, that is why Run and Shoot is no longer a thing...Great between the 20's but in the redzone you have to be able to pull guys out of zone coverage.

 

[USArmyVet]

i only care about TD/INT ratio, comp % and passer rating.

3 times more TD than INT, over 62% comp% and over 95 passer rating....yep, stud! Winning on the road is a biggie.

All that other stuff is meaningless.

70% Comp % 5 to 0 TD to INT ratio 130.8 passer rating.....Jameis Winston is a stud QB (and he only counts just under 1/10th the salary cap hit of Dak in 2021)

 

[CowboyFrog]

70% Comp % 5 to 0 TD to INT ratio 130.8 passer rating.....Jameis Winston is a stud QB (and he only counts just under 1/10th the salary cap hit of Dak in 2021)

So will it be Jameis all season? or will it be diferent every week? because if he does THAT all season will your Salary hit change? Or do you think maybe just maybe his history making 30 ints had a little to do with his current Salary? again you probably boasted about Josh Allen before also...does his new pay match the game he played yesterday or will you continue to try and use the other 31 QB's and just pick the best every week? What about AR did his play yesterday match his Salary? we can do this all day.

 

[Doomsday101]

The day the anti Dak side at CZ makes the confession of "Dak played well enough for the team to win or Dak did nothing towards preventing the team from losing."

And then the pro Dak side matches that same integrity by saying "Dak's performance is the primary factor for why the team lost."

Yea, hell will freeze over first before that ever happens.

Jerry's lack of accountability disease is so widespread that it strongly affects the fanbase as well.

jmo

Simple acknowledge good and bad play for every player. I don't expect Dak to play 17 games perfect, there will be days he has to battle when things are not going right. If he plays poor I have no issue saying he played poor but as fans you would expect people to say he played a very good game even if you have been critical in past games.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Simple acknowledge good and bad play for every player. I don't expect Dak to play 17 games perfect, there will be days he has to battle when things are not going right. If he plays poor I have no issue saying he played poor but as fans you would expect people to say he played a very good game even if you have been critical in past games.

Correct...he plays way more good games than he does bad over an extended period...its really that simple.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Nope, as with most of those teams the QB was better than anyone else they had. Dallas is unique in contenders where that is not the case

Alright well were any of them missing their 2nd or 3rd best player lol?

 

[RaZon]

70% Comp % 5 to 0 TD to INT ratio 130.8 passer rating.....Jameis Winston is a stud QB (and he only counts just under 1/10th the salary cap hit of Dak in 2021)

70% Comp % 5 to 0 TD to INT ratio 130.8 passer rating.....Jameis Winston is a stud QB (and he only counts just under 1/10th the salary cap hit of Dak in 2021)

Bottom line is can he do that on the road and week in and week out.

 

[USArmyVet]

So will it be Jameis all season? or will it be diferent every week? because if he does THAT all season will your Salary hit change? Or do you think maybe just maybe his history making 30 ints had a little to do with his current Salary? again you probably boasted about Josh Allen before also...does his new pay match the game he played yesterday or will you continue to try and use the other 31 QB's and just pick the best every week? What about AR did his play yesterday match his Salary? we can do this all day.

My point was to mitigate the use of stats and eye tests after just 1 week in the NFL as that proves nothing. Does anyone really think Winston will play at the same level all season? No. Does anyone really think Rodgers will play at the same level all season? No.

Nothing will be really known until at least halfway through the season.

 

[Jake]

After opening night, sports fans were blown away by the epic QB battle. Brady showed why he was the GOAT. And Dak silenced critics and earned everyone's respect. Nobody had a bad thing to say about the two QBs.

Fast forward a few nights, what we witnessed on Thursday was the most pathetic QB battle of opening week, according to the NFL passer rating metric.

https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/passing/2021/REG/all/passingpasserrating/DESC

Stafford and Wilson topped the week with 150+ ratings. Another 7 QBs had a 120+ rating.

The 5 lowest rated QBs were:
Dak
Baker
Brady
Goff
D. Jones

Dak is the only one in that group above 100. Nobody is below 90.

Some of the all-time greats barely had a season with a 90+ rating. Either modern QBs are that good, this metric is that meaningless, or evaluating a QB is more than just looking at stats.

Edit: My bad. Didn't realize there was a second page of results. Looks like Rodgers was actually the worst with a 36 rating. That being said, Dak and Brady were still in the bottom third according to the metric.

Interceptions factor into it, even when the pick really wasn't on the QB. Brady had one go through Fournette's hands, while Dak's went through Lamb's hands - both should've been caught. Brady also had an irrelevant Hail Mary pick to end the first half.

I don't think QB rating is meaningless. It's one measure of QB play, but not the sole determinant.

 

[75boyz]

Simple acknowledge good and bad play for every player. I don't expect Dak to play 17 games perfect, there will be days he has to battle when things are not going right. If he plays poor I have no issue saying he played poor but as fans you would expect people to say he played a very good game even if you have been critical in past games.

Totally agree. But there are long lists of pro and anti Dak people here that would NEVER admit to giving credit OR criticicizing when it is due. EVER.
Gotta maintain their opinion is the right one at all costs, lol.

jmo

 

[CowboyFrog]

My point was to mitigate the use of stats and eye tests after just 1 week in the NFL as that proves nothing. Does anyone really think Winston will play at the same level all season? No. Does anyone really think Rodgers will play at the same level all season? No.

Nothing will be really known until at least halfway through the season.

I get it, but the point is when you put the salary at the end your acting like they have earned the same salary in this league..its a little misleading ...dont you agree?

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Alright well were any of them missing their 2nd or 3rd best player lol?

That’s still what I meant by a baseball answer. Atlanta doesn’t have anyone close to Zach Martin. And even without Martin, Dallas’s offense is substantially better than Atlanta’s. Same thing for Carolina. Take away Martin, Smith, Cooper, Gallup, and would you even take Carolina’s offense over what’s left? The olines are still only comparable, are you taking Robby Anderson over CeeDee Lamb? They have Christian Mccaffrey and that’s about it. On top of that, Bridgewater is t close to Dak’s level.

And Heineke, WFT’s backup QB who dropped 300 on TB in the playoffs. Who’s their Zach Martin? Who are their pro bowl caliber WR trio? Who is their all pro RB? It’s an impossible comp.

The point is through the air, TB gets got by a myriad of teams with varying talent levels; that’s part of the way they win. Because they’re confident Brady will still come out in the end.

The only way we can really know what we saw Thursday is to see if TB holds ATL to no TDs like Philly did, and if Dak can drop 400 on LAC. Or if DAL gets close to 4 turnovers again, or if TB stops Ryan from getting the passing game open.

 

[Doomsday101]

Totally agree. But there are long lists of pro and anti Dak people here that would NEVER admit to giving credit OR criticicizing when it is due. EVER.
Gotta maintain their opinion is the right one at all costs, lol.

jmo

I agree. I have never expected any player including past HOF players to be perfect. Every player has had the bad days especially at QB and to acknowledge a guy played bad is only stating the obvious same with when the player has a great game.

 

[waving monkey]

After opening night, sports fans were blown away by the epic QB battle. Brady showed why he was the GOAT. And Dak silenced critics and earned everyone's respect. Nobody had a bad thing to say about the two QBs.

Fast forward a few nights, what we witnessed on Thursday was the most pathetic QB battle of opening week, according to the NFL passer rating metric.

https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/passing/2021/REG/all/passingpasserrating/DESC

Stafford and Wilson topped the week with 150+ ratings. Another 7 QBs had a 120+ rating.

The 5 lowest rated QBs were:
Dak
Baker
Brady
Goff
D. Jones

Dak is the only one in that group above 100. Nobody is below 90.

Some of the all-time greats barely had a season with a 90+ rating. Either modern QBs are that good, this metric is that meaningless, or evaluating a QB is more than just looking at stats.

Edit: My bad. Didn't realize there was a second page of results. Looks like Rodgers was actually the worst with a 36 rating. That being said, Dak and Brady were still in the bottom third according to the metric.

I've been thinking about your article. This new bred of college QB's are outstanding. Will it ever be that all the 32 starting QB jobs get filled up for a few years and there's a real starting quality QB's over flow? In other words no teams will trade up to get their QB because everybody's got their guy?

 

[CowboyFrog]

I've been thinking about your article. This new bred of college QB's are outstanding. Will it ever be that all the 32 starting QB jobs get filled up for a few years and there's a real starting quality QB's over flow? In other words no teams will trade up to get their QB because everybody's got their guy?

If so we might have a bckup QB once in a while...lol

 

[JD_KaPow]

Passer rating (NOT "QB rating") is archaic and silly. Plus, it's an especially terrible single-game measure.

If you look at how it was constructed, it combines four elements and has a maximum in each one at which you get full credit.
For completion percentage, the maximum is 77.5%. Back in the day, that was an ungodly high comp%. Today, QBs routinely hit that number in individual games and are pushing closer to it for whole seasons.
The multipliers for TDs and INTs don't match what modern analytics suggest they should be. Again, because it was developed back in the day, and not by good statisticians. In particular, as INTs become rarer and rarer, they tend to dominate single-game passer rating.

Not to mention that it ignores sacks and QB rushing/scrambling (and yards gained by DPI).

A rating of 100 in a game isn't all that different from a much higher rating (it's a weirdly non-linear scale) and will be very dependent on details of the game.

For example, the Cowboys' game plan on Thursday involved stretching the field horizontally, making a ton of quick throws to receivers out wide and behind the line of scrimmage. Basically using the short passing game as a substitute for a running game. Well, that leads to a lot of plays (successful plays!) for fairly low yardage. That's a big part of why Dak's YPA was lower than it usually is, at 6.9. It was by design. Passer rating doesn't know that and punishes him for it. Of course, if one of the receivers had taken one of those behind-the-LOS passes, broken free and turned it into a really long gain, passer rating would reward Dak for it. It's all very silly.

Your best bet is to ignore passer rating entirely.

 

[USArmyVet]

I get it, but the point is when you put the salary at the end your acting like they have earned the same salary in this league..its a little misleading ...dont you agree?

Just like salary does not dictate a player's on the field performance stats after Week 1 does not dictate much.

 

[gimmesix]

None of you, especially either the NFL passer rating metric or the BSPN QBR metric, take into account the quality of Defense opposing QBs are having to face. THAT makes a huge difference.

I seriously doubt any of the other top Week 1 rated QBs would have performed much better against the Buccaneers. Certainly, none of them would have passed for over 400 yards and at least 3 TDs.

Don't know if we can accurately say that. One reason Dak passed for more than 400 yards and 3 TDs is because Tampa Bay viewed our running game as a primary threat. Their defense would have played differently against an offense with a weak running game. Instead, they chose to stop our run, which opened things up for the pass.

That doesn't take anything away from Prescott's performance. It just how the game is supposed to work. Quarterbacks with poor blocking, a poor running game and/or poor receivers tend to fare worse than those who have those things.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Just like salary does not dictate a player's on the field performance stats after Week 1 does not dictate much.

stats do show a measure of play for individuals....especially the QB, does it take into account things like the Defense played, or YAC not so much...but it can show a great measure of how they threw the ball which is the most important thing they do. Does one game make a player..no but if you can show consistant good stats it will give you a great measure of how that individual is performing in thier duties..especially QB. What it does not show is if they won or lost that is for sure...thats the main team stats and every Cowboys player and coach and GM is 0-1 right now...From the GM down it needs to be fixed. No one played a perfect game and that should be the goal from everyone involved...

 

[CowboyFrog]

Don't know if we can accurately say that. One reason Dak passed for more than 400 yards and 3 TDs is because Tampa Bay viewed our running game as a primary threat. Their defense would have played differently against an offense with a weak running game. Instead, they chose to stop our run, which opened things up for the pass.

That doesn't take anything away from Prescott's performance. It just how the game is supposed to work. Quarterbacks with poor blocking, a poor running game and/or poor receivers tend to fare worse than those who have those things.

I dont think the Buccs overloaded the box at all.....Maybe i missed it but they seemd to be able to handle it with normal fronts all game.