The NFL QB Rating

[gimmesix]

I dont think the Buccs overloaded the box at all.....Maybe i missed it but they seemd to be able to handle it with normal fronts all game.

The Bucs spent a lot of time in single coverage, especially on the outside. They brought the strong safety up quite a bit. We sucked them up on play-action multiple times. The threat of the run affected their coverage, which is what it is supposed to do if you have a decent running game.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Okay.. I am now official confused about the pass defensive rankings.. It does bear stating that the Bucs defense didn't really figure it out until about week 11 or 12. The Bears were certainly the more consistent unit over the course of the year though it does bear stating was that Stafford hung 400 yards on them last year as well. I think it's safe to say he knows them pretty well. But let's be real.. last year's rankings don't mean diddly poo (RIP Jim Mora) .. We will know in a few weeks if the Bucs are as good as last year and same for the Bears.. What I don't have any doubt about now is how good Dak is.. Dude's a baller.. I think we should keep him..

Ehhh.....its because people for some strange reason think "yards" is a more accurate stat of how good a defense is than actual points. Buccaneers gave up less points per game than the Bears but people will consider "yards" as a better indicator for how good a defense is. Buccs scored 30 points a game and gave up 22 points....the higher the points you score normally the more points you give up.....yet, their 22 points they gave up was one of the best in the league.

 

[Denim Chicken]

EPA is the stat you're looking for

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

That’s still what I meant by a baseball answer. Atlanta doesn’t have anyone close to Zach Martin. And even without Martin, Dallas’s offense is substantially better than Atlanta’s. Same thing for Carolina. Take away Martin, Smith, Cooper, Gallup, and would you even take Carolina’s offense over what’s left? The olines are still only comparable, are you taking Robby Anderson over CeeDee Lamb? They have Christian Mccaffrey and that’s about it. On top of that, Bridgewater is t close to Dak’s level.

And Heineke, WFT’s backup QB who dropped 300 on TB in the playoffs. Who’s their Zach Martin? Who are their pro bowl caliber WR trio? Who is their all pro RB? It’s an impossible comp.

The point is through the air, TB gets got by a myriad of teams with varying talent levels; that’s part of the way they win. Because they’re confident Brady will still come out in the end.

The only way we can really know what we saw Thursday is to see if TB holds ATL to no TDs like Philly did, and if Dak can drop 400 on LAC. Or if DAL gets close to 4 turnovers again, or if TB stops Ryan from getting the passing game open.

Huh? I'm not sure about what point you're making by bringing up Heineke...how is his 300 Yard 1 Touchdown/1Int performance equal to Dak's 3 TD, 400 yard/1interception performance?

And my point about Atlanta is do they have the same outcome if Julio or Ridley doesn't play?

Not sure about your Carolina point.

You're getting of course. This started from a poster saying has anyone played the Buccs to the extent that Dak did on Thursday...then to refute that you're bringing up guys like Bridgewater, Matt Ryan and Heneike.....

 

[Clove]

Does that stat factor in your special teams sucking?
Or
Your defense not being able to stop anyone
Or
Your receiver dropping 3 passes
Or
Penalties down the stretch that causes major setbacks?

Just wondering

 

[Clove]

What’s amazing is how for years, when Dak was putting up 243 yard 1 touchdown performances, the haters were out saying he couldn’t post more yardage or TDS, he couldn’t throw guys open and a host of other nonsense. Now, it’s the opposite. Most ( non) football players now look at numbers etc. Use what God gave you, your EYES.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Huh? I'm not sure about what point you're making by bringing up Heineke...how is his 300 Yard 1 Touchdown/1Int performance equal to Dak's 3 TD, 400 yard/1interception performance?

And my point about Atlanta is do they have the same outcome if Julio or Ridley doesn't play?

Not sure about your Carolina point.

You're getting of course. This started from a poster saying has anyone played the Buccs to the extent that Dak did on Thursday...then to refute that you're bringing up guys like Bridgewater, Matt Ryan and Heneike.....

Julio isn’t Zach Martin. Swapping them out doesn’t mean anything. It’s just as pedantic to say Dak lost his best player so other teams would be identical in that situation just as it is to say Dak was finally Dallas’s best player on Thursday, like Mahomes was, just as Matt Ryan was the Falcons 2020 MVP. Because the overall talent Dak still had isn’t comparable to anyone else, and neither is losing a RG vs a WR or RB.

Taylor had 300 yards on 44 attempts. Dak had 400 on 58 attempts. That happened because of the game Moore called. The argument then is with 58 attempts(!) and Dallas’s roster, no one is throwing for 400 but Dak Prescott? The only man alive?

So you’re right, TB will probably never play a team again where the QB isn’t considered in the conversation for the best player on the team, they lose the best player on the team, and TB doesn’t blow them out. It’s a unique thing Dak did, and nothing else is comparable.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The changes in the rules and the evolving game have absolutely changed the QB evaluation metrics. Aikman would rank...well...horrible. According to today's stats, Aikman was subpar. But if you watched the games, he became surgeon-like as the games became more and more important. He controlled the whole game. The game was just slower because the defenses at the time had SO much more latitude. The stats don't really reflect the modern game. How can you change the metrics to reflect the what makes a great game by a QB? No idea. It will have to be completely changed, though.

Aikman was a bus driver. Probably the best one of all time.

 

[CowboyRoy]

What’s amazing is how for years, when Dak was putting up 243 yard 1 touchdown performances, the haters were out saying he couldn’t post more yardage or TDS, he couldn’t throw guys open and a host of other nonsense. Now, it’s the opposite. Most ( non) football players now look at numbers etc. Use what God gave you, your EYES.

Oh ya, who could forget? When the Cowboys were winning lots of games the Dak trolls said that wins didnt matter because they said Dak was being carried and he was just a bus driver. Its all about the QB and with a bus driver like Dak you cant go far.

Now that Dak's carrying the team and lighting it up and we arent winning as much, all of a sudden its all about wins. Stats dont matter.
I even have JInday troll tell me the other day all he wants Dak to do is drive the bus. LOL

He thinks Dak throwing for only 200 yards nda a TD will somehow miraculously beat all these teams throwing up 30-40 points on us.

 

[RonnieT24]

I dont think the Buccs overloaded the box at all.....Maybe i missed it but they seemd to be able to handle it with normal fronts all game.

I agree.. I did not see a ton of heavy box looks in that game.. But I will go back and take a look later..

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Julio isn’t Zach Martin. Swapping them out doesn’t mean anything. It’s just as pedantic to say Dak lost his best player so other teams would be identical in that situation just as it is to say Dak was finally Dallas’s best player on Thursday, like Mahomes was, just as Matt Ryan was the Falcons 2020 MVP. Because the overall talent Dak still had isn’t comparable to anyone else, and neither is losing a RG vs a WR or RB.

Taylor had 300 yards on 44 attempts. Dak had 400 on 58 attempts. That happened because of the game Moore called. The argument then is with 58 attempts(!) and Dallas’s roster, no one is throwing for 400 but Dak Prescott? The only man alive?

So you’re right, TB will probably never play a team again where the QB isn’t considered in the conversation for the best player on the team, they lose the best player on the team, and TB doesn’t blow them out. It’s a unique thing Dak did, and nothing else is comparable.

There's nothing unique about the situation....One of your best players is out.....to say Zack Martin is the Cowboys best player is opinion and its a vehicle you're using to try and discredit Dak. That's like me saying Hurts isn't the best player on the Eagles yesterday......

 

[USArmyVet]

What’s amazing is how for years, when Dak was putting up 243 yard 1 touchdown performances, the haters were out saying he couldn’t post more yardage or TDS, he couldn’t throw guys open and a host of other nonsense. Now, it’s the opposite. Most ( non) football players now look at numbers etc. Use what God gave you, your EYES.

My eyes see this franchise not winning....that is what my eyes see.

 

[pansophy]

Aikman was a bus driver. Probably the best one of all time.

I don't agree with that -- he made plays other QBs couldn't make, which in my view is the difference between a bus driver and a great player. Aikman just wasn't the guy you wanted if a play broke down.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

There's nothing unique about the situation....One of your best players is out.....to say Zack Martin is the Cowboys best player is opinion and its a vehicle you're using to try and discredit Dak. That's like me saying Hurts isn't the best player on the Eagles yesterday......

That’s right, it’s probably our RG too. I don’t believe Dak Prescott proved on Thursday that’s he’s the greatest QB in the league, which saying no one can duplicate what he can do is heavily implying. Mahomes throwing for 337 on 36 attempts against the Browns defense was probably the most impressive performance. Stafford threw for 321 on 26 attempts vs the Bears, a team with a much better Pass D than TB in 2020 and looked it again on Sunday. Imagine if his OC called 58 passes…

Even without Zach Martin, do you believe Dallas’s talent is so much worse than LAR’s? A lot of people here probably think it’s quite a bit better. What if Matt Stafford was in at QB for DAL against TB? The guy with more 400 yard games by age 33 than anyone in history? And he got 58 attempts to Cooper, to CeeDee. It’s unfathomable that he hits 400, less than 7 yards per attempt?

 

[USArmyVet]

Aikman was a bus driver. Probably the best one of all time.

Well, that 'bus driver' won 3 Super Bowls so I would rather have a 'bus driver' than a passing stats guy any day of the week.

 

[darthseinfeld]

After opening night, sports fans were blown away by the epic QB battle. Brady showed why he was the GOAT. And Dak silenced critics and earned everyone's respect. Nobody had a bad thing to say about the two QBs.

Fast forward a few nights, what we witnessed on Thursday was the most pathetic QB battle of opening week, according to the NFL passer rating metric.

https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/passing/2021/REG/all/passingpasserrating/DESC

Stafford and Wilson topped the week with 150+ ratings. Another 7 QBs had a 120+ rating.

The 5 lowest rated QBs were:
Dak
Baker
Brady
Goff
D. Jones

Dak is the only one in that group above 100. Nobody is below 90.

Some of the all-time greats barely had a season with a 90+ rating. Either modern QBs are that good, this metric is that meaningless, or evaluating a QB is more than just looking at stats.

Edit: My bad. Didn't realize there was a second page of results. Looks like Rodgers was actually the worst with a 36 rating. That being said, Dak and Brady were still in the bottom third according to the metric.

Three INT's that weren't the fault of the QB and Dak's ypa being under 7 dropped them.

 

[pansophy]

Dak's QBR says he played well enough to win 75% of the time. Of the QBs in the top 10 of QBR this week, only two teams lost, NE and DAL. That should tell people a lot.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Also shows why this stat is archaic and was never really an accurate assessment. No Matt Ryan, no Aaron Rodgers, no Zach Wilson.

Even goff played well in the second half of his game, dropped 33 on SF. We know Brady and Dak played well. Baker was handing it to KC for 3 quarters.

Based on a much better stats, ESPN’s QBR:

Dak 74.4 10th
Baker 68.8 12th
Tom Brady 65.4 13th


That’s a must better assessment of what we saw this weekend

Daks performance was good, but probably more solid than great. #10 sounds about right. Ill gladly take given his injury

Validation that he has returned to form, and a great duel with Brady probably heightened the performance in people's minds

 

[Cowpolk]

My eyes see this franchise not winning....that is what my eyes see.

You need Lasik See your eye doctor soon

 

[DFWJC]

That’s still what I meant by a baseball answer. Atlanta doesn’t have anyone close to Zach Martin. And even without Martin, Dallas’s offense is substantially better than Atlanta’s. Same thing for Carolina. Take away Martin, Smith, Cooper, Gallup, and would you even take Carolina’s offense over what’s left? The olines are still only comparable, are you taking Robby Anderson over CeeDee Lamb? They have Christian Mccaffrey and that’s about it. On top of that, Bridgewater is t close to Dak’s level.

And Heineke, WFT’s backup QB who dropped 300 on TB in the playoffs. Who’s their Zach Martin? Who are their pro bowl caliber WR trio? Who is their all pro RB? It’s an impossible comp.

The point is through the air, TB gets got by a myriad of teams with varying talent levels; that’s part of the way they win. Because they’re confident Brady will still come out in the end.

The only way we can really know what we saw Thursday is to see if TB holds ATL to no TDs like Philly did, and if Dak can drop 400 on LAC. Or if DAL gets close to 4 turnovers again, or if TB stops Ryan from getting the passing game open.

Fwiw, I really like Carolina's weapons

McCaffery
DJ Moore
Robby Anderson
Terrance Marshall

That's pretty decent