The NFL, UFC, and NBA want to speed up the process of removing illegal sports streams

[America's Cowboy]

sure they did. What businesses dropped their prices during covid???? and why should I expect them to anyways?

Several companies didn't raise their prices and stayed neutral in profits from 2021 - 2022. It wasn't many but there were some like Albany International, TJ Maxx, Walgreens, Verizon, Sysco Foods, Kimberly-Clark, Electronic Arts, Hanes, Hasboro, Cheesecake Factory, etc.

 

[glimmerman]

If only there was a way to watch football and help the local economy. For me, when I can't get Cowboys games (because I live in Cleveland), I like going to sports bars like the Winking Lizard. I watch the games, the restaurant earns my money and stays in business, and I save money compared to what I'd have had to pay YouTube for Sunday Ticket. Everyone wins.

I used to do that. If I went to sports bar by myself for the few games it wouldn’t be bad. But I had to take my wife at the time and 2 kids. It was cheaper to buy the ticket. Plus I didn’t have to worry about people being loud where I can’t hear the game. Then fans of the opposing team being there running there mouths.

 

[Praxit]

"Good luck, NFL" - MPAA

..haha.. yep, that didnt work to well.

 

[DallasEast]

The prices seen on Tickpick, stubhub, seatgeek and the like are proof that the owners are no more greedy than avg joes. If you had a car you bought for 40k and all of the sudden people were buying it for 80k, youd likely list that car for 80k... not 39k to help out your fellow citizen.

The NFL gets a huge chunk of their money from tv deals... it is the avg joe watching from home that feeds them their billions, not those that attend the games. In addition, they price their tickets at x and scalpers buy them up so avg joe cant buy them and resale for double the price. I dont blame the owners for the ridiculous prices as much as I do those in the business of buying up and reselling tickets.

To be clear, I do not dismiss greed as a factor in the leagues' going after pirated streaming feeds. My discussion point is that the owners are maximizing their greed without considering (or possibly caring about) the economic ramifications faced by their entire viewership base.

And a false equivalence has been made. Tickets and vehicles are not equivalent to the NFL's mechanism offered to its fans for watching games.

Want to watch a game in person? You take ticket price into account. The ticket buyer has the choice of buying an expensive ticket, commonly known as good or great seats, or buying a cheaper ticket, which is usually in the nosebleed sections of a stadium. Or also standing only tickets in Jerry Jones' opinion.

Want to upgrade your vehicle? You debate the seller's price for the model. The vehicle buyer has the choice of paying a pretty penny on a higher end model or spending less for a more modest model.

Now, the following is the NFL's product available for its consumers. Keep in mind, games a.k.a. its product, used to be broadcast free over the air (something that cannot be done with tickets and vehicles).

Before, a consumer was required to become a Directv subscriber. cha-CHING. Then it was necessary for the consumer to acquire the Sunday Ticket as a programming add-on. cha-CHING cha-CHING.

After, a consumer was mandated to do the same thing as before, except with YouTube. cha-CHING ~pause~ cha-CHING cha-CHING deja vu.

Let's stop a moment and highlight NFL's Sunday Ticket sales pitch: "Watch nearly every single NFL game from one source"

What are consumers' choices for watching 'every NFL game from one source'? You know. L-e-g-a-l-l-y.

Answer: the consumer must pony up hundreds of dollars per year. Cannot see a game due to a technically (i.e. black out, game in progress, etc.)? The consumer must jump through hoops to receive a credit and that is not guaranteed. And it bears repeating those hundreds of dollars per year are stacked atop however much the consumer must pay for other programming already.

What are the legal alternatives? Sorry, greedy legal alternatives that consumers can turn to that they may not fit their budget already? Who else offers this monopolized product? Sorry. Rhetorical question.

Essentially, some consumers are screwed legally. Their option for watching the sport the way the NFL wants is to steal the tickets. Sorry. My mistake. Their option for watching the sport the way the NFL wants is to steal the car. Crap. My bad. Their option for watching the sport the way the NFL wants is to steal their streaming signals.

Busted! Perhaps the NFL would not find the need for hunting down violators IF they offered consumers its car for 10K instead of more than 40K? Or stop allowing 'middleman scalpers' like Directv and YouTube to contract with potential customers, bloat subscription costs, partner with a broadcaster to offer games instead of selliing broadcasting rights to the highest bidder and wash their hands of the whole thing?

Whatever. Excuse the rant. NFL good. Illegal streamers bad. All hail Roger Goodell!

/rant

 

[Reid1boys]

I noticed directv was having a lot of people dropping the ticket. I gather someone buys the contract for the ticket by paying the NFL an amount. Then set the price accordingly to recover their money and make a profit. How many years did YouTube get it for.

that is what happens. Youtube signed a 7 year deal. They obviously purchase it for a reason. Directv did it to expand susbscribers at a time when small dishes were just becoming a thing. I had direct tv for about 18 years specifically for the Ticket, even though I LOVED directv. Then AT&T bough tthem and ruined Directv.

Now Youtube has this Youtube Tv and they are wanting to expose that product to people that may not know whatthey are.

I dont have youtube tv, thought I may look into switching soon. Ive heard it is pretty good and honestly, i dont watch much in the way of broadcast Tv anymore.

Wife and kids mostly watch netflix.

 

[stiletto]

Most of those things run on anonymous vpn's that change everytime the stream is setup. The providers don't keep logs either, pretty standard. So yeah, good luck shutting those down. Would be more like an infinite game of whack-a-mole.

 

[Reid1boys]

Them losing about 28 billion assumes people would pay for services if they can’t watch the games. Remember back in the 80s and 90s when folks were just content watching their local teams…

The other point is, why are the taxpayers paying for new stadiums that are being constructed specifically for digital media and streaming in mind?

Imagine if the NFL had to pay a percentage of the streaming services and ad revenue to the states that fund their billion dollar plus stadiums, not just “improve” the economy by creating a few janitor jobs

people were not content to watch whatever was showed in the 80s. They simply had no other choice but to watch what was shown. as soon as satelites started becoming mainstream, the NFL exploded and sports bars hit it big time. I used to go down to a local sports bar that had every game showing and it was awesome. FULL of Cowboy fans and it was one big party. I miss those days.

Few janitor jobs? lol Taxpayers are paying because the local or even state govt thinks it is beneficial to have a team in their city... and it is. That city is racking up hotel taxes, cab taxes, car rental taxes, restaurant taxes and all those local businesses are making a ton of money off of every game.

There is a reason tax dollars are used on these stadiums.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I used to do that. If I went to sports bar by myself for the few games it wouldn’t be bad. But I had to take my wife at the time and 2 kids. It was cheaper to buy the ticket. Plus I didn’t have to worry about people being loud where I can’t hear the game. Then fans of the opposing team being there running there mouths.

True haha, but it's still the best way that I know to accomplish watching games. Plus, it should be safe. The NFL needs the sportsbars with them being heavy sponsors of the NFL.

 

[SlammedZero]

Not surprised. In fact, I'm shocked that the major professional sports leagues haven't brought the hammer down on Streameast yet. It seems to be a super popular one and I doubt flying much under the radar. Good luck though. It'll be just like when the music industry tried shutting down the mp3 world back in the early 2000s. It will be just like the Wac-A-Mole game. You hit one down, and another one pops up.

As others have said in this thread, I would totally be down to purchase some streams if they were affordable. It doesn't even come down to whether or not I can afford the NFL ticket but more if I want to. Why should I pay $399 (or whatever it is) to be able to stream Cowboys games?

 

[Reid1boys]

Not surprised. In fact, I'm shocked that the major professional sports leagues haven't brought the hammer down on Streameast yet. It seems to be a super popular one and I doubt flying much under the radar. Good luck though. It'll be just like when the music industry tried shutting down the mp3 world back in the early 2000s. It will be just like the Wac-A-Mole game. You hit one down, and another one pops up.

As others have said in this thread, I would totally be down to purchase some streams if they were affordable. It doesn't even come down to whether or not I can afford the NFL ticket but more if I want to. Why should I pay $399 (or whatever it is) to be able to stream Cowboys games?

Thats what all of this is. If you could walk into Home Depot and just load up your cart with 10k in tools and just walk out... you would. Who WANTS to pay for products?

 

[glimmerman]

that is what happens. Youtube signed a 7 year deal. They obviously purchase it for a reason. Directv did it to expand susbscribers at a time when small dishes were just becoming a thing. I had direct tv for about 18 years specifically for the Ticket, even though I LOVED directv. Then AT&T bough tthem and ruined Directv.

Now Youtube has this Youtube Tv and they are wanting to expose that product to people that may not know whatthey are.

I dont have youtube tv, thought I may look into switching soon. Ive heard it is pretty good and honestly, i dont watch much in the way of broadcast Tv anymore.

Wife and kids mostly watch netflix.

That and these channels have streaming apps. My wife watches alot of shows on discovery. She got the discovery+ app for a few bucks a month. It has a BUNCH of content. New episodes drop at same time they are on live tv. She loves it.

 

[leicafan]

If they wouldn't cost so much, maybe people would want to get subscriptions!!

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!
NFL Sunday Ticket costs you like 8 games for Cowboys, because Cowboys gets more National televised games than the other. So it is like to pay 50 dollars for a game. That is insane. I used to do that. But now I don't.

 

[dogberry]

Much of the country has decriminalized theft. Will the leagues restrict their efforts to civil courts?

Could I get a discussion on giving paper copies of magazines to friends and family?

 

[darealvelle]

Not surprised. In fact, I'm shocked that the major professional sports leagues haven't brought the hammer down on Streameast yet. It seems to be a super popular one and I doubt flying much under the radar. Good luck though. It'll be just like when the music industry tried shutting down the mp3 world back in the early 2000s. It will be just like the Wac-A-Mole game. You hit one down, and another one pops up.

As others have said in this thread, I would totally be down to purchase some streams if they were affordable. It doesn't even come down to whether or not I can afford the NFL ticket but more if I want to. Why should I pay $399 (or whatever it is) to be able to stream Cowboys games?

I never heard of this site, but I know about it now. Thx

 

[khiladi]

people were not content to watch whatever was showed in the 80s. They simply had no other choice but to watch what was shown. as soon as satelites started becoming mainstream, the NFL exploded and sports bars hit it big time. I used to go down to a local sports bar that had every game showing and it was awesome. FULL of Cowboy fans and it was one big party. I miss those days.

Few janitor jobs? lol Taxpayers are paying because the local or even state govt thinks it is beneficial to have a team in their city... and it is. That city is racking up hotel taxes, cab taxes, car rental taxes, restaurant taxes and all those local businesses are making a ton of money off of every game.

There is a reason tax dollars are used on these stadiums.

By “content”, I mean without having to pay for them. Going to a local sports bar is an experience where one is just paying for food, while getting to watch games without having to pay for them.

And there are plenty of studies that say that the impacts on the “economy” don’t in anyway match the costs to the taxpayers. Cities pay for them because they lobbies from wealthy people are strong.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/sports-jobs-taxes-are-new-stadiums-worth-the-cost/

Nowadays the prices of these stadiums are even more insane when these were written. The fact is the owners and the league are pocketing MUCH MORE than what the little economic impact the stadiums provide the cities.

https://globalsportmatters.com/business/2022/06/15/so-your-city-wants-sports-stadium/

Economists Dennis Coates, Brad Humphreys, and I recently conducted a comprehensive review of more than 130 studies of the economic impact of sports teams and stadiums. Though the research methods, time periods, and stadiums examined vary, the findings are remarkably consistent: Teams and stadiums are not associated with having strong economic impacts on local communities. These findings explain why people in my line of work overwhelmingly agree that sports stadiums are poor public investments. In a recent University of Chicago survey of economic experts, 80 percent of respondents agreed that stadium subsidies were likely to cost taxpayers more than what they get in return.

 

[Pantone282C]

The truth is, it is not illegal to show anything on the internet.

 

[Tenkamenin]

Not surprised. In fact, I'm shocked that the major professional sports leagues haven't brought the hammer down on Streameast yet. It seems to be a super popular one and I doubt flying much under the radar. Good luck though. It'll be just like when the music industry tried shutting down the mp3 world back in the early 2000s. It will be just like the Wac-A-Mole game. You hit one down, and another one pops up.

As others have said in this thread, I would totally be down to purchase some streams if they were affordable. It doesn't even come down to whether or not I can afford the NFL ticket but more if I want to. Why should I pay $399 (or whatever it is) to be able to stream Cowboys games?

Yup NFL Ticket should be $199 max

 

[DandyDon52]

You have not factored in advertising revenue opportunity lost to pirating. I dislike Goodell and the multiple league owners' message but his figures are closer than they are to $1 million per year.

I dont get what your saying , how would they lose on that. in fact what advertising revenue??

 

[gimmesix]

Much of the country has decriminalized theft. Will the leagues restrict their efforts to civil courts?

Could I get a discussion on giving paper copies of magazines to friends and family?

As a member of the newspaper industry, the problem that we have with newspapers being shared, our stories being stolen and shared for free, etc., isn't really the theft aspect. It's that it contributes to the decline and eventual death of our industry.

If the NFL was doing this because it was killing their product, I could understand it. But the league is making money hand over fist despite this and just wants to make more. That's the league's prerogative because it is their product. But honestly, if advertisers were providing our newspaper with millions of dollars per year, we would take down our paywall and let everyone view our product for free ... because it would benefit our advertisers as well as our community.

As is, most newspapers and magazines no longer have enough subscribers and advertisers to afford for their product to be stolen or shared. It irks me now that news stations see a story in our newspaper that we did the legwork on, do their own version that you can watch for free and people don't realize that the story would not exist without the original producers that they are not supporting.

OK, I'm off my soapbox now.

 

[tunahelper]

Why? I don't pay for NFL services as it is and I'd rather they not remove the streams but why does that make them pathetic? They are a business. If you ran a business and people were getting a paid service for free wouldn't you like a way to stop them?

How about a trade? NFL pays taxes and then they get a complete lockdown on illegal streaming. BTW, I do not use illegal streaming myself, but the NFL cannot complain when they don't even pay taxes.