**The Official Big Greg Ellis Thread***

JPostSam

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Dear Greg Ellis,

This is Common Sense reaching out to you, since we have been out of touch for a while.

Regarding the temper tantrum that you and your agent have been throwing lately, I feel it necessary to clarify an essential point about the nature of competition. To wit: The best player will play. Period. So, if you are the best player, you will play. It's that simple.

Now, if you feel that the coaches believe you are not the best player at your position, and if you feel that they are wrong in this assessment, then there are certain manners of recourse open to you. Let me point out, however, that asking to receive NOW a larger share of the money that you have already been promised in your contract will NOT convince them of your on-field prowess. In fact, I would venture to say that such a step on your part will only alienate you further from the coaches.

See, Greg, If you were are a real man, you would not whine about "commitment" and skip voluntary practices. Instead, you would be the hardest-working SOB in the organization, displaying so much fire and determination in your play that everyone would be forced to take notice of just how good you are when playing with a chip on your shoulder.

...And if you can't do that, Greg, then I can assure you that there are several other young men around Valley Ranch who will be all too happy to work their butts off to earn the lucrative and prestigious roster spot that you are about to vacate.

Sincerely,

Common Sense

P.S. If you heed this message, there will be no need for further contact between us in the near term. If I need to communicate with you again, though, I will do so via messenger. You will recognize him as a gentleman known as The Turk.
 

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JPostSam said:
P.S. If you heed this message, there will be no need for further contact between us in the near term. If I need to communicate with you again, though, I will do so via messenger. You will recognize him as a gentleman known as The Turk.
I think the Turk is who Ellis is hoping to see.

That means he gets the chance to go to a team that plays a defense he is better suited for, and more comfortable with.
 

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Was there an Indian?

Did you think it was a little unnecessary for his butt to be showing?
 

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I get sick if people calling out Ellis and questioning his manhood "If you were a real man"....


Football is a business and should be treated as such by everyone. It was perfectly ok to cut Allen and Glover for cap reasons because it helped the Cowboys in the long run financially. Why can't players do what's best for them financially?

They have a finite period of time to earn as much as possible. Ellis has one decent money contract left in his future and moving from a 4-3 end will most likely hurt his future value. I would be upset also.

Imagine a tale of two interns. A company uses one in their shared chosen field and the other to cut the grass. The company is the highest paying one in the industry and only has room to hire one of them in the future. Don't you think that intern number two has a distinct disadvantage and knows it? Do you think he's happy to get up every morning to mow the lawn while the other is having lunch with the head of the department?
 

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You would think Greg, knowing so much about "the business" of football, would also know that 5-10 head coaches are hired and fired every year in the NFL. That new coordinators come in and change schemes every year. Every year, hundreds of his NFL bretheren have to learn new systems and adapt their skillset to what the team needs from them. Surely he knew that he would likely have to do the same at some point in his career when he signed a long contract extension. Jason Taylor has had to learn a new system and a new position from the one he's played his entire career in when Saban came in. Evidently, Greg Ellis is too Big Time to do what Jason Taylor has done.

Wow, I guess there's more to being a professional football player than making millions of dollars to play a game. There's actually drawbacks with the career. Who would have thunk it? Quit this NFL lifestyle Greg. Its too unpredictable. Its too unfair. Go back to school, Greg. Get your CPA. There's good stability in it. The same accounting principles you use today will be the same accounting principles you use 15 years from now. Things hardly ever change. After a while, you might even work your way up to the $60-$80k range. Its not a bad living, by any means. Afterall, this isn't about money. Greg is a good guy !! He's a good guy, damnit !!!
 

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Dear JPostSam,

Parcells just said on national TV that we only had two pressure players; Ware and me. I may not be Dwight Freeney, Julius Peppers, or Richard Seymour, but I did get 8 sacks in the 3-4 last year.

Canty didn't sniff even close to that. And he took over as starter.

Spears didn't look too great either.

Whether you like it or not, I am the second best player at getting to the QB on the team. Pressuring the QB is vital to a good defense.

You still need me. I still need you. What I want is committment from the team to show that.

This is reality checking back in,
Greg Ellis
 

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jay cee said:
I think the Turk is who Ellis is hoping to see.

If I were running the team, this would never happen.

I would keep him on the roster until I felt I could get something in return for him. And he would play. If he didn't play well, he could have a seat and watch Rowdy perform.
 

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Dear Greg,

Remember that time we met at a beach party years back.

Everyone was drinking beer, well except me as I was dehydrated so I stuck with the gatorade.

Well the party was just getting to loud and crowded on the beach and I said, let's go for a walk on the beach and you tell me about the cowboys and some of the players since I was a cowboys fan.

Well you were drinking pretty heavily, even for a big guy, that night and I did not realize how drunk you were until we started walking.

It was a nice moonlit night on the beach and we were walking by the surf and you started stumbling and almost fell over.

So I put my arm around your waist and you put your arm over my shoulder as I steadied you.

Soon we came up to where my car was and you were saying you wanted to go to the tattoo shop. I said are you serious and you said yes and even offered to pay for me to get one.

So since I was sober I drove and we went to the local tattoo shop. It took a couple of hours to find it as I did not know the area and you were taking a nap. But we finally found it.

I still have the dragon tattoo and it looks great to this day. Thanks again. I think you fell asleep through your tattoo.

I woke you up long enough to get you in the car and ask where you were staying. I took you to your hotel room and helped you into your room.

I got in your wallet just to get your address so I could send a thank you note for the tattoo and a great time.

I left and have never gotten a chance to see you again.

But I hope you remember at least a little of that night. You were pretty bombed so it would not surpise me if you did not remember any of it.

However whenever you look in the mirror and see that tattoo on your backside , I just wanted you to know it was a memento you wanted to get of me and our night. Yes I am the person your tattoo talks about when it says Property of Mr Banana Pants.

Best wishes,
BP

:eek: :p:
 

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InmanRoshi said:
You would think Greg, knowing so much about "the business" of football, would also know that 5-10 head coaches are hired and fired every year in the NFL. That new coordinators come in and change schemes every year. Every year, hundreds of his NFL bretheren have to learn new systems and adapt their skillset to what the team needs from them. Surely he knew that he would likely have to do the same at some point in his career when he signed a long contract extension. Jason Taylor has had to learn a new system and a new position from the one he's played his entire career in when Saban came in. Evidently, Greg Ellis is too Big Time to do what Jason Taylor has done.

Wow, I guess there's more to being a professional football player than making millions of dollars to play a game. There's actually drawbacks with the career. Who would have thunk it? Quit this NFL lifestyle Greg. Its too unpredictable. Its too unfair. Go back to school, Greg. Get your CPA. There's good stability in it. The same accounting principles you use today will be the same accounting principles you use 15 years from now. Things hardly ever change. After a while, you might even work your way up to the $60-$80k range. Its not a bad living, by any means. Afterall, this isn't about money. Greg is a good guy !! He's a good guy, damnit !!!
LOL, nice post!!
 

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Alexander said:
If I were running the team, this would never happen.

I would keep him on the roster until I felt I could get something in return for him. And he would play. If he didn't play well, he could have a seat and watch Rowdy perform.

Thank God you aren't running the team. I think it is funny people want the teams to have all the advantage and the players to have none. Yes he works in a field where people make millions and we think it is funny that he is cmplaining about committment and money. However I would bet that if anyone of you got used to that lifesstyle then you would be complaining also. He is being put into a position where there is a high likelyhood of failure. He is being forced into a major risk. He wants to be compensated for his risk, because if it fails then he looses out of future income. Some folks just don't realize that.
 

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sacase said:
Thank God you aren't running the team. I think it is funny people want the teams to have all the advantage and the players to have none. Yes he works in a field where people make millions and we think it is funny that he is cmplaining about committment and money. However I would bet that if anyone of you got used to that lifesstyle then you would be complaining also. He is being put into a position where there is a high likelyhood of failure. He is being forced into a major risk. He wants to be compensated for his risk, because if it fails then he looses out of future income. Some folks just don't realize that.

If the players had the advantages you are speaking of, the game as you know it wouldn't exist. You would have players deciding at the drop of a hat they don't like doing this and that, don't want their roles changed, decide they don't want to play for this coach and you would have constant turnover and payrolls would escalate. Let's just say I am glad NFL owners aren't nearly as obtuse as to take the stance you are outlining here.
 

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Yes he works in a field where people make millions and we think it is funny that he is cmplaining about committment and money. However I would bet that if anyone of you got used to that lifesstyle then you would be complaining also.

ewing_patrick.jpg


"We may make a lot of money, but we spend a lot of money, too."
 

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InmanRoshi said:
ewing_patrick.jpg


"We may make a lot of money, but we spend a lot of money, too."


Reminds me of a line in The Replacements. I think it was that movie.

Where the players says something like...Do you know how much insurance is on a lamborghini (sp?) lol
 

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sacase said:
Thank God you aren't running the team. I think it is funny people want the teams to have all the advantage and the players to have none. Yes he works in a field where people make millions and we think it is funny that he is cmplaining about committment and money. However I would bet that if anyone of you got used to that lifesstyle then you would be complaining also. He is being put into a position where there is a high likelyhood of failure. He is being forced into a major risk. He wants to be compensated for his risk, because if it fails then he looses out of future income. Some folks just don't realize that.

why is there a high likelihood of failure ?

parcells knows the ins and outs of the 3-4 defense he will be implementing and thinks he has a perfect role for ellis. And ellis primary responibility will still be putting pressure on the passer.

please, its not that much of a change. How about a wr switching to play Dback at the coaches request (patriots). how about cb's going to safety and vice versa. how about Guards being asked to learn the center position and practice snapping the ball, how about OLineman like Kosier being asked to keep switching up from LT to RG to RT to LG, or De Ware being asked to learn a relatively new position.
 

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And Ellis is still playing all the snaps in the 4 man line nickel defense, which is 50% of the defensive snaps and when the defense can pin its ears back and go after the QB without having to worry about the run.

People talk about how Canty and Spears didn't get close 8 sacks last year, but they also weren't on the field when sacks usually occur. At this rate, I would just make Greg inactive, not let him go anywhere else and put Canty or Spears in his place on the nickel. What's the huge dropoff we're looking at here? We're going to plummet from 8 sacks from the position to 6?
 

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Hoov said:
why is there a high likelihood of failure ?

Because Ellis is defeating the whole thing before it starts. Just like he did last year, but amazingly he wasn't a flop like he thought. Amazing how that works? Maybe the head coach knows what he is talking about. No, we just have to leave it to the player who by his own admission amazed himself with his production in a system he said he couldn't play in.
 

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InmanRoshi said:
And Ellis is still playing all the snaps in the 4 man line nickel defense, which is 50% of the defensive snaps and when the defense can pin its ears back and go after the QB without having to worry about the run.

People talk about how Canty and Spears didn't get close 8 sacks last year, but they also weren't on the field when sacks usually occur. At this rate, I would just make Greg inactive, not let him go anywhere else and put Canty or Spears in his place on the nickel. What's the huge dropoff we're looking at here? We're going to plummet from 8 sacks from the position to 6?

Those two sacks are worth the millions in guaranteed money and nobody else on this roster could get those two, don't you know this?
 
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