The Official Mike Zimmer SUCKS thread.

[ctalker]

This is Bill Parcells team and he is ultimately responsible. He's brought in his players and implemented his off/def. schemes. Zimmer was fine before Parcells arived and would have been good last year had Parcells got him some talent with his 4-3, instead of Wiley and no corner.

It's just funny at how Parcells constantly escapes blame. He should of been in politics.

It's a new defense scheme with young players, so I am not susprised to see them struggle.

 

[Hollywood Henderson]

Its why they have troubles that puts the blame at zimmy's feet...

 

[Next_years_Champs]

Its why they have troubles that puts the blame at zimmy's feet...

Correction: Its why you think they have troubles that puts your blame at zimmy's feet.

 

[Hollywood Henderson]

YES, and MOST who KNOW agree with ME...

I guess you missed the article last week that agreed wholeheartedly?

 

[Next_years_Champs]

YES, and MOST who KNOW agree with ME...

I guess you missed the article last week that agreed wholeheartedly?

Bill Parcells doesn't agree with you and I consider him to be the only credible source on the subject.

 

[Hollywood Henderson]

I guess your wrong again....

You didn't see Parcells SCREAM at zimmy after being KILLED by the same play vs the Skinny's that again brough defeat from the jaws of victory?

 

[Next_years_Champs]

YES, and MOST who KNOW agree with ME...

I guess you missed the article last week that agreed wholeheartedly?

Looks like Greg Ellis doesn't agree with your halftime adjustments theory either because here is his comments after the game.

"In the first half, we missed a couple of tackles," defensive end Greg Ellis said. "In the second half, I wish I could say that we made some adjustments and changed some things, but we didn't do any of that. I think we just played better."

 

[Alexander]

This is Bill Parcells team and he is ultimately responsible. He's brought in his players and implemented his off/def. schemes. Zimmer was fine before Parcells arived and would have been good last year had Parcells got him some talent with his 4-3, instead of Wiley and no corner.

It's just funny at how Parcells constantly escapes blame. He should of been in politics.

It's a new defense scheme with young players, so I am not susprised to see them struggle.

Coach Parcells does not escape blame.

It is just those who like to judge feel better picking on Zimmer who does not have the credentials to back it up. If anyone thinks this is Zimmer's defense needs to really buy a clue.

 

[Next_years_Champs]

I guess your wrong again....

You didn't see Parcells SCREAM at zimmy after being KILLED by the same play vs the Skinny's that again brough defeat from the jaws of victory?

Look your OPINION of what is being said between Coach Parcells and Coach Zimmer means squat. Its nothing but uninformed speculation it carries no credibility outside of the cult you and a few others ascribe to.

Parcells has had every opportunity to change his defensive coordinator and he has never offered anything but praise for his work ethic and determination. In your mind you see things that don't exist you twist facts to suit the talking points for your agenda. But nothing you think or imagine means anything to Coach Parcells, Jerry Jones or really anyone outside of your cult.........

 

[Hollywood Henderson]

Here is a clue for you Alex...

Parcells made the change to the 3-4 that we use on early downs...
That has been really very well played for the most part thus far...

Our nickle D is a passive & predictable 4 man rush with no changeups...
That was the key to us being beat last week...

That is where zimmy has always failed...He is calling the D plays isn't he?

It almost got us killed vs a poor team this week...
If changes aren't made now, the raiders will kill us in that scheme...

 

[Hollywood Henderson]

Look your OPINION of what is being said between Coach Parcells and Coach Zimmer means squat. Its nothing but uninformed speculation it carries no credibility outside of the cult you and a few others ascribe to.

Parcells has had every opportunity to change his defensive coordinator and he has never offered anything but praise for his work ethic and determination. In your mind you see things that don't exist you twist facts to suit the talking points for your agenda. But nothing you think or imagine means anything to Coach Parcells, Jerry Jones or really anyone outside of your cult.........

Wow, impressive words like Cult & agenda...

It sounds like you are the one who doesn't back up facts & reality so your forced to use your silly words...

Most people & fans everywhere in the world who know defense knows zimmy has always failed...

Parcells knew this and changed to his 3-4...Fact! Get it through your thick skull!

Fact! zimmy also failed miserably as a DB coach, so he was **** canned from that position...We hired a REAL NFL level DB coach in Todd Bowles so become better there instantly...

zimmy: dead man walking...

(If) changes aren't made to his passive & predictable nickle D, we will be beat by a 0-3 Raiders team with a strong armed QB & fast WR's...

So get on board our "cult" and then you will be with the ones who KNOW...

 

[joseephuss]

I have said it before. Parcells is the dumbest man in the world. He is facing his 3rd season with Zimmer as his d-coordinator. How long does it take him to learn about Zimmer what others have known for years?

 

[Next_years_Champs]

Most people & fans everywhere in the world who know defense knows zimmy has always failed...

Obviously Jerry Jones (who incidently pays Mike Zimmer a million dollars a year) doesn't consider Coach Zimmer a failure. As a matter of fact I'm a fan who played football when I was much younger, I have been a Cowboy fan since 1960. I disagree totally with your assessment and I would venture a guess that you aren't even in the majority on this forum much less among "most people and fans everywhere in the world". Your speculation is pure BS ( see that's not a BIG word).

Parcells knew this and changed to his 3-4...Fact! Get it through your thick skull!

Bill Parcells has always fielded a 3-4 defense it is the defense he understands and prefers, he stayed with the 4-3 for two years in Dallas out of respect for Coach Zimmer and no other reason. And when he did change to the 3-4 defense did he fire Coach Zimmer because he "failed miserably"? No he had Zimmer study and learn a defense he had never played because of his faith in Mike Zimmer's coaching ability. You can spin your zany theory anyway you want but the fact is if Parcells didn't want Zimmer here he would have fired him when he changed the defense.

So perhaps its someone else who exihibits the characteristics of a "thick skull"

 

[Hollywood Henderson]

Well, I would have thought if you had been a fan for so long., it would be plain as day that he is and has always been a complete failure...

Yes. most know this, but don't always say it...

Shall we have a bet to see if the clueless zimmy who has no conviction is still coaching here in any capacity next year?

 

[Alexander]

I have said it before. Parcells is the dumbest man in the world. He is facing his 3rd season with Zimmer as his d-coordinator. How long does it take him to learn about Zimmer what others have known for years?

I don't particularly care for Zimmer either, but this witchhunt is completely foolish.

My thing is this, if Coach Parcells dumped him tomorrow, who do the resident defensive experts recommend he get as the replacement?

 

[Hollywood Henderson]

Paul P., the coach we just signed in the offseason is the one with the 3-4 background...

But frankly Parcells knows the offense is in good veteran leadership with Bledsoe and Payton...

Parcells needs to take over the D himself...
Then we wouldn't be so damned passive & predictable on nickle downs...

 

[Alexander]

Paul P., the coach we just signed in the offseason is the one with the 3-4 background...

But frankly Parcells knows the offense is in good veteran leadership with Bledsoe and Payton...

Parcells needs to take over the D himself...
Then we wouldn't be so damned passive & predictable on nickle downs...

How is it that everyone just figures it is all Zimmer?

We all know Coach Parcells is a daring, non-conservative coach, don't we?

 

[optiplex]

Just checking...
So when the D is bad we should blame Zimmer.
And when it's good we credit Parcells.
Is that the routine?

That Is Exactly what he is saying! He believes Zimmer is the worst D.C. in the league and can not make adjustments or call the correct schemes, or coach our talent to the best of their ability, ect, ect, so on, (You get the picture). I wouldn't know how to make defensive calls during the game, but hindsight is 20/20, and I can now tell you where the defense messed-up on those scoring plays. But hey, I could tell you the same about the Raiders, Giants, Steelers, Packers, Saints, Browns, ect. defenses. Monday morning quarterbacking is so fun. :laugh2: Matter of fact, I may one of the best D.C. after all the games are over.

 

[Next_years_Champs]

Well, I would have thought if you had been a fan for so long., it would be plain as day that he is and has always been a complete failure...

Yes. most know this, but don't always say it...

Shall we have a bet to see if the clueless zimmy who has no conviction is still coaching here in any capacity next year?

Sure I would agree to a bet something along the lines of a tagline which states " HH is, always was and always will be correct about Zimmy wuss". for a few weeks of the season.

And as far as my being a fan who should recognize failure when I see it. I do see it and recognize it, I see a roster which was totally devoid of playmaking talent and leadership. I see a team which has had to import veteran free agents for leadership because it didn't exist on this team. I understand this team now has more talent, some free agent veterans and several untested rookies. What I don't expect is that somehow this will all come together instantly resulting in a "Doomsday defense" with all the pieces fitting flawlessly together.

I also understand that in pro football teams play together for years and some never develop the kind of chemistry and coordination you imply should exist after one training camp and 3 games. I know full well that in the NFL you don't change half your roster, change your entire defensive strategy and expect to find complete success even in the long term much less immediately.

This teams problems pre-Parcells were much deeper than the defensive coordinator, while I will never accept mediocrity for the Cowboys. I also remember the 1988 season when Coach Landry's tried and proven techniques produced a 3-13 season. NO amount of coaching will ever make up for lack of talent.

The truth is IMO whether or not Coach Zimmer can coach a championship caliber defense is unknowable at this point. I don't know the answer to those question and you don't either, although you certainly have a opinion.

One argument is if Zimmer's coaching had been the weak link show me the Cowboy players who have left Dallas and gone on to excel for other coaches. There aren't any. So maybe your right and Zimmer is the sole problem. Some said the 4-3 was the sole problem, Of course now its Zimmer's 4-3. But the fact is Dallas hasn't had the player talent or leadership to win on a consistent basis.

 

[Doomsday101]

He couldnt even get our Defense to hold the #31 ranked offense to under 24 points. Sad. Yeah it was 24 points. Remember a INT got returned for a TD on one play.

The same offense the Eagles held to just 3 points Zimmers D allowed to get 24 points.

Please fire this guy. When we get a real DC in here our D will kick butt and be real sick.

Zimmer as coodinator certainly does take responsibility but player still have to make plays and when you get down to it Henry was having a bad game and not just him others were missing tackles and allowing extra yardage by not bringing the runner down as far as adjusting you can only do so much when players are blowing tackles. Zimmer does know what he is doing more so than the fans do but as many of us said around here this D could take some time to fully gell as a unit but also said this D would also make the big plays and they are.