The other reasons this HC job is unattractive

[rambo2]

Before Monday night’s playoff game between the Rams and Vikings, Troy Aikman very clearly stated on ESPN why the head coaching position In Dallas has lost a ton of its luster - Hint: It starts with Jerry and ends with Jones. Not a surprise or breaking news there.

But I also believe there are some other big reasons this job is not as attractive as it might have been once:

• The QB here is 31, has not been great in big playoff games, and has had 3 major injuries in the last 4 seasons. I’m not one who believes that Dak is the bottom of the barrel, but he’s certainly not at the top either. Without a really good running game, Dak is just above average at best. And he’s on the downside of his career. Very few QBs who have won SBs do it in their 30s. Sure there are some. But very few.
• The roster has holes all over it. There are major holes in the trenches on both sides of the ball. OL, DL, RB, WR, LB…and that’s just a start. When you take the fan glasses off, this roster is Swiss cheese.
• The front office uses an outdated vision of roster building. “Draft and develop” is only 50% of a championship building process. In today’s NFL, without some meaningful free agent signings (not dumpster dive FAs) along with good drafts, yiu can’t seriously compete.
• This FO does not appear to understand how to manage the salary cap. While Stephen Jones tells us every year that the cap prevents us from signing any FAs of note, great GMs who also have a big payroll like us - people like Brett Veach, Howie Roseman and Les Snead say, “Hold my beer” and then sign FAs or make big trades anyway. And win playoff games.
• Finally - it‘s obvious that whoever is HC in Dallas will be scapegoated for the sins of Jerry and Stephen Jones. Look at what happened to McCarthy. He was handed a bad roster from the FO and then held “accountable”. It’s inherently a scapegoat job.

I would love to believe being the HC of the Dallas Cowboys is a big attraction to coaching talent, but besides the Jerry Jones circus meddling, the reasons above are also big problems for any big time HC candidates who want to win a championship.

I wish this weren’t true.

It seems to be more attractive that you think.

 

[nate dizzle]

.>Bullet, peeps are lining up for this opportunity. WHy? Because its a ludicrous position for someones career.

Your stock value goes up regardless.

Yeah...Campo, Gailey, Wade and Garrett would like a word.

 

[Praxit]

Yeah...Campo, Gailey, Wade and Garrett would like a word.

..Garrett got some gigs after Dallas life. The rest weren't around long enough, to gain some stock ..lol.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Tebow was fresh out of college and at least had potential at that point to develop. That is not the case coming in here. Dak is what he is and whether you think he's good or not, he is CLEARLY on the decline and that contract is going to get worse and worse over then next couple years.

Everyone knew Tebow wasn't a QB. His game was limited and he was a positionless player. Taysom Hill.

How you feel about Dak is irrelevent in this discussion. His contract is irrelevent. This is about the arrogance of coaches. And yes, these coaches believe they can do anything. Its just what it is. You have to be wired that way or you won't make it in the NFL. So I don't fault McDaniels for it but it hindered him.

Fans are the one with this defeatist attitude. Players and coaches can't afford to think that way.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yeah...Campo, Gailey, Wade and Garrett would like a word.

Campo....I don't remember him doing anything. But Gailey got another Head Coaching job, Wade was a DC in a championship and Garrett was a OC for the Giants.....I don't know if i'd say their value went up but it sure didn't hurt them. Especially Gailey.

 

[DandyDon52]

only a loser would want to be HC for jerry.
Jerry should hire BB if he can, that would be a media sensation! Lots of talking would incur and jerry likes that.

 

[JustChip]

The final point is the only part of me that doesn’t want Sanders as HC. I generally can’t stand flamboyance but he is just a winner, and has the right aura about him.

This team needs some sort of a boost or change of vibe, and not many have a shot to do that with Jerry constantly hovering. Certainly not Kellen Moore.

But… as I posted in another thread, unless there’s some serious changes in roster building philosophy and quickly, the next HC is destined to fail. One draft doesn’t fix this.

My initial reaction to Deion was the same. I’ve never liked the flamboyance and self-promotion. However, any coach hired here has to be able to use diplomacy, the art of letting someone have your way, to influence Jerry. I think Deion can. I also think Belichick, Gruden and Carroll fall in that category. I don’t believe at all that Kellen is, nor most of the other candidates.

 

[CowboysRule]

I am only a long-time member who has spent some of my time here as a moderator. I do not speak for the staff. This is only my equally serious opinion based on experience as a CBZer:

No.

If separate forums were never created for Tony Romo and Dak Prescott, none will ever be created for Jerry Jones. Just my opinion.

Romo and Prescott were/are at least players on the team. Jerry Jones is not. You all complain about how he wants all the attention...and then you give it to him.

 

[XXLMike]

Another horrendous take - Deion is willing to leave Colorado to come to us and watch his son play for the Giants.

The job is extremely attractive

 

[DallasEast]

Romo and Prescott were/are at least players on the team. Jerry Jones is not.

I understand why you have made the distinction but it is parsing which individuals make up the Dallas Cowboys. Any executives, coaches and players found at this link are the Dallas Cowboys according to the Dallas Cowboys. That includes Jerry Jones and his offspring.

That is not a deflection. That is fact. For what it is worth, I personally would not discuss (or better yet rant) about Jones and his offspring if they were not running the team and/or making themselves exceptionally accessible to the public. Unfortunately, they are.

You all complain about how he wants all the attention...and then you give it to him.

I will not speak for any of my fellow members but Jerry Jones is not aware of my complaining about him. He is aware of all the attention he perceives. Microphones stuck in his face. Radio hosts conversing with him (whenever he is not threatening their livelihood). Helicoptering in his best buddy sports talking heads for face-to-face interviews. Opponents fans actively jeering and mocking him to his face. That is real attention he is aware of.

My complaints about Jones are acknowledged, countered, rejected, dismissed, ignored or laughed at by our fellow members. All of them, including yourself, could do the same in a forum dedicated for Jones (or his DNA kids) but the option does not exist. And it is extremely likely they will never exist on this site.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

The team was 12-5 the past 3 years. The team had a bunch of injuries this season. One could make the argument the team would have made the playoffs if not for injuries.

The day the Cowboys are ‘unattractive’ is the day the NFL dies. No joke.

Yeah, in what Twilight Zone Clown World does one live in where they think $7M+ head coaching job is unattractive? Get real.

 

[baltcowboy]

The Cowboys job will always be coveted because if you have any success you will be set for life. Garrett is the best example. 10 year coaching career with the Cowboys and a cushy job with NBC. No disrespect to Ben Johnson but what has he done to be a made man. If Jerry called he would answer. There are only 32 NFL jobs and Cowboys are easily a top 10 job.

 

[shabazz]

Before Monday night’s playoff game between the Rams and Vikings, Troy Aikman very clearly stated on ESPN why the head coaching position In Dallas has lost a ton of its luster - Hint: It starts with Jerry and ends with Jones. Not a surprise or breaking news there.

But I also believe there are some other big reasons this job is not as attractive as it might have been once:

• The QB here is 31, has not been great in big playoff games, and has had 3 major injuries in the last 4 seasons. I’m not one who believes that Dak is the bottom of the barrel, but he’s certainly not at the top either. Without a really good running game, Dak is just above average at best. And he’s on the downside of his career. Very few QBs who have won SBs do it in their 30s. Sure there are some. But very few.
• The roster has holes all over it. There are major holes in the trenches on both sides of the ball. OL, DL, RB, WR, LB…and that’s just a start. When you take the fan glasses off, this roster is Swiss cheese.
• The front office uses an outdated vision of roster building. “Draft and develop” is only 50% of a championship building process. In today’s NFL, without some meaningful free agent signings (not dumpster dive FAs) along with good drafts, yiu can’t seriously compete.
• This FO does not appear to understand how to manage the salary cap. While Stephen Jones tells us every year that the cap prevents us from signing any FAs of note, great GMs who also have a big payroll like us - people like Brett Veach, Howie Roseman and Les Snead say, “Hold my beer” and then sign FAs or make big trades anyway. And win playoff games.
• Finally - it‘s obvious that whoever is HC in Dallas will be scapegoated for the sins of Jerry and Stephen Jones. Look at what happened to McCarthy. He was handed a bad roster from the FO and then held “accountable”. It’s inherently a scapegoat job.

I would love to believe being the HC of the Dallas Cowboys is a big attraction to coaching talent, but besides the Jerry Jones circus meddling, the reasons above are also big problems for any big time HC candidates who want to win a championship.

I wish this weren’t true.

Plus I believe the Cowboys have 22 players set to be unrestricted free agents......this requires a sound GM to navigate this correctly

 

[shabazz]

One could make the argument the team would have made the playoffs if not for injuries.

There's no argument. This teams future was decided by its inaction during the offseason.....the first 4 or 5 games before the "injuries" revealed that.

The Eagles and Commodores looked markedly better than us right off the hop

 

[Clove]

Jones and Dak are the two biggest reasons

That Dak contract is absurd and we are just now in year one this coming season.
A coach gets 2-3 years to be successful these days and then they are dumped. Unfortunately, that ties right into #4s deal.

Take Dak out of the equation please. Dak did not promote himself to QB over Romo, Dak did not sign himself to his first or second big contract, Dak was not here the 20 something years prior, it's all on Jerry Jones.

 

[Chuck 54]

Before Monday night’s playoff game between the Rams and Vikings, Troy Aikman very clearly stated on ESPN why the head coaching position In Dallas has lost a ton of its luster - Hint: It starts with Jerry and ends with Jones. Not a surprise or breaking news there.

But I also believe there are some other big reasons this job is not as attractive as it might have been once:

• The QB here is 31, has not been great in big playoff games, and has had 3 major injuries in the last 4 seasons. I’m not one who believes that Dak is the bottom of the barrel, but he’s certainly not at the top either. Without a really good running game, Dak is just above average at best. And he’s on the downside of his career. Very few QBs who have won SBs do it in their 30s. Sure there are some. But very few.
• The roster has holes all over it. There are major holes in the trenches on both sides of the ball. OL, DL, RB, WR, LB…and that’s just a start. When you take the fan glasses off, this roster is Swiss cheese.
• The front office uses an outdated vision of roster building. “Draft and develop” is only 50% of a championship building process. In today’s NFL, without some meaningful free agent signings (not dumpster dive FAs) along with good drafts, yiu can’t seriously compete.
• This FO does not appear to understand how to manage the salary cap. While Stephen Jones tells us every year that the cap prevents us from signing any FAs of note, great GMs who also have a big payroll like us - people like Brett Veach, Howie Roseman and Les Snead say, “Hold my beer” and then sign FAs or make big trades anyway. And win playoff games.
• Finally - it‘s obvious that whoever is HC in Dallas will be scapegoated for the sins of Jerry and Stephen Jones. Look at what happened to McCarthy. He was handed a bad roster from the FO and then held “accountable”. It’s inherently a scapegoat job.

I would love to believe being the HC of the Dallas Cowboys is a big attraction to coaching talent, but besides the Jerry Jones circus meddling, the reasons above are also big problems for any big time HC candidates who want to win a championship.

I wish this weren’t true.

Personally, I think there are at least 15 teams in worse QB situation than Dak at 31. Those I list as more attractive to a coach include teams with young unproven QBs being developed, some whom I think are no more talented than Dak but surrounded by playmakers everywhere, and a guy like Herbert in SD who is younger and clearly more talented yet has failed every major test so far with two different head coaches. Man was he awful last weekend.

So yes, I think we have an above average franchise QB who needs to be surrounded by 2-3 playmakers. He just had a great year with Lamb, Cooks, Pollard, and Ferguson, and a suspect OL in 2023. This year he played behind a rebuilt, bad OL with 2 rookies that improved as the year progressed, and his only weapon was Lamb. Cooks is no longer a valid #2 who can get open consistently, but in 2023 defenses had to at least respect both him and Pollard as dangerous.

I‘m 100% with you that we have an awful roster, maybe the Worst in our division. The QB and coaching may be the biggest difference. NY is certainly younger on both sides of the ball. We will never beat a good team in the playoffs with only one threat on offense.

This cannot be repaired in one year unless we get a playmaker at RB and A legit 1b receiver on offense, along with a DC who can confuse QBs with mirrors.

Any coach needs to prioritize the run game, the run defense, giving the QB more weapons. Those three cannot be hidden or worked around, imo.

 

[ApolytonGP]

Before Monday night’s playoff game between the Rams and Vikings, Troy Aikman very clearly stated on ESPN why the head coaching position In Dallas has lost a ton of its luster - Hint: It starts with Jerry and ends with Jones. Not a surprise or breaking news there.

But I also believe there are some other big reasons this job is not as attractive as it might have been once:

• The QB here is 31, has not been great in big playoff games, and has had 3 major injuries in the last 4 seasons. I’m not one who believes that Dak is the bottom of the barrel, but he’s certainly not at the top either. Without a really good running game, Dak is just above average at best. And he’s on the downside of his career. Very few QBs who have won SBs do it in their 30s. Sure there are some. But very few.
• The roster has holes all over it. There are major holes in the trenches on both sides of the ball. OL, DL, RB, WR, LB…and that’s just a start. When you take the fan glasses off, this roster is Swiss cheese.
• The front office uses an outdated vision of roster building. “Draft and develop” is only 50% of a championship building process. In today’s NFL, without some meaningful free agent signings (not dumpster dive FAs) along with good drafts, yiu can’t seriously compete.
• This FO does not appear to understand how to manage the salary cap. While Stephen Jones tells us every year that the cap prevents us from signing any FAs of note, great GMs who also have a big payroll like us - people like Brett Veach, Howie Roseman and Les Snead say, “Hold my beer” and then sign FAs or make big trades anyway. And win playoff games.
• Finally - it‘s obvious that whoever is HC in Dallas will be scapegoated for the sins of Jerry and Stephen Jones. Look at what happened to McCarthy. He was handed a bad roster from the FO and then held “accountable”. It’s inherently a scapegoat job.

I would love to believe being the HC of the Dallas Cowboys is a big attraction to coaching talent, but besides the Jerry Jones circus meddling, the reasons above are also big problems for any big time HC candidates who want to win a championship.

I wish this weren’t true.

I think your last three are more significant to a potential HC than the first two. It is sort of a fan/sportswriter trope that coaches want to go to teams poised for winning. But I think they overemphasize this. There is a lot of last to first in the NFL and coaches are more aware of that and comfortable with that than the typical frontrunner narratives.

What matters a lot more to coaches than the roster that fans/sportswriters obsess on is, in order:

(1) amount of guaranteed dollars

(2) amount of freedom to run the team

(3) quality/compatibility of the front office (assuming the HC is not hired as HC/GM, i.e. the normal situation).

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I also think that fans/sportswriters vastly overestimate the importance of "ready to win" to players moving on in free agency. The money screams. The ready to win whispers. But the narrative is always on "this WR wants a good QB" or "going to get a ring". But elite players move on all the time to weak teams.

 

[Diehardblues]

Before Monday night’s playoff game between the Rams and Vikings, Troy Aikman very clearly stated on ESPN why the head coaching position In Dallas has lost a ton of its luster - Hint: It starts with Jerry and ends with Jones. Not a surprise or breaking news there.

But I also believe there are some other big reasons this job is not as attractive as it might have been once:

• The QB here is 31, has not been great in big playoff games, and has had 3 major injuries in the last 4 seasons. I’m not one who believes that Dak is the bottom of the barrel, but he’s certainly not at the top either. Without a really good running game, Dak is just above average at best. And he’s on the downside of his career. Very few QBs who have won SBs do it in their 30s. Sure there are some. But very few.
• The roster has holes all over it. There are major holes in the trenches on both sides of the ball. OL, DL, RB, WR, LB…and that’s just a start. When you take the fan glasses off, this roster is Swiss cheese.
• The front office uses an outdated vision of roster building. “Draft and develop” is only 50% of a championship building process. In today’s NFL, without some meaningful free agent signings (not dumpster dive FAs) along with good drafts, yiu can’t seriously compete.
• This FO does not appear to understand how to manage the salary cap. While Stephen Jones tells us every year that the cap prevents us from signing any FAs of note, great GMs who also have a big payroll like us - people like Brett Veach, Howie Roseman and Les Snead say, “Hold my beer” and then sign FAs or make big trades anyway. And win playoff games.
• Finally - it‘s obvious that whoever is HC in Dallas will be scapegoated for the sins of Jerry and Stephen Jones. Look at what happened to McCarthy. He was handed a bad roster from the FO and then held “accountable”. It’s inherently a scapegoat job.

I would love to believe being the HC of the Dallas Cowboys is a big attraction to coaching talent, but besides the Jerry Jones circus meddling, the reasons above are also big problems for any big time HC candidates who want to win a championship.

I wish this weren’t true.

Yep but it’s been true for years . This isn’t a new problem.

 

[GMO415]

Before Monday night’s playoff game between the Rams and Vikings, Troy Aikman very clearly stated on ESPN why the head coaching position In Dallas has lost a ton of its luster - Hint: It starts with Jerry and ends with Jones. Not a surprise or breaking news there.

But I also believe there are some other big reasons this job is not as attractive as it might have been once:

• The QB here is 31, has not been great in big playoff games, and has had 3 major injuries in the last 4 seasons. I’m not one who believes that Dak is the bottom of the barrel, but he’s certainly not at the top either. Without a really good running game, Dak is just above average at best. And he’s on the downside of his career. Very few QBs who have won SBs do it in their 30s. Sure there are some. But very few.
• The roster has holes all over it. There are major holes in the trenches on both sides of the ball. OL, DL, RB, WR, LB…and that’s just a start. When you take the fan glasses off, this roster is Swiss cheese.
• The front office uses an outdated vision of roster building. “Draft and develop” is only 50% of a championship building process. In today’s NFL, without some meaningful free agent signings (not dumpster dive FAs) along with good drafts, yiu can’t seriously compete.
• This FO does not appear to understand how to manage the salary cap. While Stephen Jones tells us every year that the cap prevents us from signing any FAs of note, great GMs who also have a big payroll like us - people like Brett Veach, Howie Roseman and Les Snead say, “Hold my beer” and then sign FAs or make big trades anyway. And win playoff games.
• Finally - it‘s obvious that whoever is HC in Dallas will be scapegoated for the sins of Jerry and Stephen Jones. Look at what happened to McCarthy. He was handed a bad roster from the FO and then held “accountable”. It’s inherently a scapegoat job.

I would love to believe being the HC of the Dallas Cowboys is a big attraction to coaching talent, but besides the Jerry Jones circus meddling, the reasons above are also big problems for any big time HC candidates who want to win a championship.

I wish this weren’t true.

This FO does not appear to understand how to manage the salary cap.

That's what happens when you put someone with an engineering degree- Stephen Jones in charge of financing.

 

[LysleE]

Any HC coming into Dallas is being set-up to fail. The owner signed an oft-injured system QB to a huge contract; and combined with CD’s cap hit and however much Micah will get, there is no money to bring in quality FAs, assuming of course the FO even ventures into the market; the FO historically overestimates the talent level on the team and with problems at OL, DL, WR, RB and LB there are not enough draft picks to address the issues, particularly with Jerry trading picks for marginal players.

What is particularly offensive to this fan ( and I’m sure others as well) is the FO telling fans they are unable to acquire FAs given the lack of cap space, yet other teams with large payrolls like Dallas, manage to sign FAs and improve their roster.

Lastly, Jerry MUST be the face of the franchise; his ego, arrogance and narcissism demand it. The type of coach Dallas needs to be successful will not be able to co-exist with Jerry. How can a coach create a culture when the owner is interfering with the process and undermining the head coach.

We have seen what is possible from one year-to-the-next with a competent owner who allows the FO running personnel and a legit franchise QB executing the vision.