The proof is in the pudding VT was better than Bledsoe

[superpunk]

after you finish laughing and beating your head on a wall

quote me a stat to prove it.... or tell me how you grade qb's...

A stat to prove what? That Vinny had a habit of throwing backbreaking INTs in almost every game we had a shot at? That there were many times I saw him grossly underthrow recievers on deep balls towards the end of the season? Here's a stat for you. 6 versus 9. That's right. Even though the horrid Bledsoe turned the ball over more, got sacked more than anyone we've ever seen, and is a "statue", we won three more games with him than Vinny. I know that before our LT went down this was one of the most productive offenses in the league. So it's enough with the anti-Bledsoe threads already.

 

[mally]

Whats so funny ? I bet if VT had a full training camp under his belt and a healthy set of receivers he could have done the same thing bledsoe did this year. And the point is VT's numbers are similar to bledsoes and he had less last year and a WORSE defense. Defend that suckas !!

HAHAHAHA!!!! Vinny Better than Bledsoe

Got my gut wrenching laugh for the day!!!

 

[Zaxor]

Is is freaky how much their stats are similiar, however, stats can and do lie......

Bledsoe won 4 games for us this year on making great plays......and yes he did lose a couple.....but, Bledsoe had the better arm and year

How did he have the better year he had much more negative plays and he had Campbell, Terry Glenn, Julius Jones, Key and a better Defense

 

[mally]

3 more games ? Guess it had nothing to do with the better defense we had right ?

A stat to prove what? That Vinny had a habit of throwing backbreaking INTs in almost every game we had a shot at? That there were many times I saw him grossly underthrow recievers on deep balls towards the end of the season? Here's a stat for you. 6 versus 9. That's right. Even though the horrid Bledsoe turned the ball over more, got sacked more than anyone we've ever seen, and is a "statue", we won three more games with him than Vinny. I know that before our LT went down this was one of the most productive offenses in the league. So it's enough with the anti-Bledsoe threads already.

 

[Zaxor]

A stat to prove what? That Vinny had a habit of throwing backbreaking INTs in almost every game we had a shot at? That there were many times I saw him grossly underthrow recievers on deep balls towards the end of the season? Here's a stat for you. 6 versus 9. That's right. Even though the horrid Bledsoe turned the ball over more, got sacked more than anyone we've ever seen, and is a "statue", we won three more games with him than Vinny. I know that before our LT went down this was one of the most productive offenses in the league. So it's enough with the anti-Bledsoe threads already.

I believe if you check we were leading the league for a while with vinny T who started out throwing a couple 300 yard games but poor ole VT did not have the defense that Bledsoe did nor did he have Terry Glenn or Julious Jones or Dan Campbell for a good chunk of the season and then Key had a bad knee no wonder he threw a few more picks... again your arguement does not hold water

 

[Clove]

Is is freaky how much their stats are similiar, however, stats can and do lie......

Bledsoe won 4 games for us this year on making great plays......and yes he did lose a couple.....but, Bledsoe had the better arm and year

Bledsoe did have Glenn.

Vinny T didn't have the defense they we had this year.

The moral of the story is, they both are just average QB's. Now let's find our Franchise QB or we will be sitting here next year talking about the same crap without a solution.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Word to the Wise: You're football IQ is going to take a serious hit after this post.
Look at it this way:
I would venture to say that most people, probably close to 80%, of the people who drink and drive make it home safely. Does that make it smart or right? Just because it looks good on paper ..........

I don't drink and I see no significant difference between the two QBs. Vinnie gets way to much flake from Cowboy fans. The truth of the matter is that both QBs have strengths and weaknesses. The offense was worse in 04 because the talent level on both sides of the ball was worse IMO. Bledsoe has had much more opportunity to throw the ball down field then did Vinnie. There is no question about this at all. Vinnie was limited but then so is Bledsoe. The statistics are almost identical but the record of the teams is markedly different. This is not because of the play of the QB IMO. It's because we were better defensively and we ran the ball a little better. Time of possesion this year is much better.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

How did he have the better year he had much more negative plays and he had Campbell, Terry Glenn, Julius Jones, Key and a better Defense

You have good stats to back you up--yes

As a fan, I felt a better chance to win with Bledsoe......the old coaches gut feeling.....but, I would like to draft a good young franchise type QB soon....this year or next at the latest!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

true but bledsoe had JJ and Barber and Glenn and Key and Campbell

VT did not either have them or they were injured

who's is the harder road to hoe

your confused. We're basically supporting the same position.

 

[Zaxor]

Since you are so stuck on stats, how bout this one.
Vinny 6-10
Bledsoe 9-7

again VT made do with less... that it was only a three game differance says more about how good VT was than it does about anything else

 

[bsheeern]

3 more games ? Guess it had nothing to do with the better defense we had right ?

2004 ScheduleDateOpponentTime/ResultSep 12@MinnesotaLost 17-35Sep 19ClevelandWon 19-12Sep 27@WashingtonWon 21-18Week 4BYEOct 10N.Y. GiantsLost 10-26Oct 17PittsburghLost 20-24Oct 24@Green BayLost 20-41Oct 31DetroitWon 31-21Nov 7@CincinnatiLost 3-26Nov 15PhiladelphiaLost 21-49Nov 21@BaltimoreLost 10-30Nov 25ChicagoWon 21-7Dec 6@SeattleWon 43-39Dec 12New OrleansLost 13-27Dec 19@PhiladelphiaLost 7-12Dec 26WashingtonWon 13-10Jan 2@N.Y. GiantsLost 24-28

2005 ScheduleDateOpponentTime/ResultDIRECTV® ChannelSIRIUS RadioAwayHomeSep 11@San DiegoWon 28-24 Sep 19WashingtonLost 13-14 Sep 25@San FranciscoWon 34-31 Oct 2@OaklandLost 13-19 Oct 9PhiladelphiaWon 33-10 Oct 16N.Y. GiantsWon 16-13 Oct 23@SeattleLost 10-13 Oct 30ArizonaWon 34-13 Week 9BYE Nov 14@PhiladelphiaWon 21-20 Nov 20DetroitWon 20-7 Nov 24DenverLost 21-24 Dec 4@N.Y. GiantsLost 10-17 Dec 11Kansas CityWon 31-28 Dec 18@WashingtonLost 7-35 Dec 24@CarolinaWon 24-20 Jan 1St. LouisLost 10-20

 

[Zaxor]

your confused. We're basically supporting the same position.

LOL you got that right

I took one look at those stats and had to check it thrice...

would you have believe it?

 

[Zaxor]

2004 ScheduleDateOpponentTime/ResultSep 12@MinnesotaLost 17-35Sep 19ClevelandWon 19-12Sep 27@WashingtonWon 21-18Week 4BYEOct 10N.Y. GiantsLost 10-26Oct 17PittsburghLost 20-24Oct 24@Green BayLost 20-41Oct 31DetroitWon 31-21Nov 7@CincinnatiLost 3-26Nov 15PhiladelphiaLost 21-49Nov 21@BaltimoreLost 10-30Nov 25ChicagoWon 21-7Dec 6@SeattleWon 43-39Dec 12New OrleansLost 13-27Dec 19@PhiladelphiaLost 7-12Dec 26WashingtonWon 13-10Jan 2@N.Y. GiantsLost 24-28

2005 ScheduleDateOpponentTime/ResultDIRECTV® ChannelSIRIUS RadioAwayHomeSep 11@San DiegoWon 28-24 Sep 19WashingtonLost 13-14 Sep 25@San FranciscoWon 34-31 Oct 2@OaklandLost 13-19 Oct 9PhiladelphiaWon 33-10 Oct 16N.Y. GiantsWon 16-13 Oct 23@SeattleLost 10-13 Oct 30ArizonaWon 34-13 Week 9BYE Nov 14@PhiladelphiaWon 21-20 Nov 20DetroitWon 20-7 Nov 24DenverLost 21-24 Dec 4@N.Y. GiantsLost 10-17 Dec 11Kansas CityWon 31-28 Dec 18@WashingtonLost 7-35 Dec 24@CarolinaWon 24-20 Jan 1St. LouisLost 10-20

wow we even had a harder schedule in 2004

 

[Champsheart]

While responding to a post to mickgreen58

I came across some stats:


Bledsoe had 17 fumbles, 17 interceptions and 49 sacks this year in 499 attempts... Vinny T had 8 fumbles, 20 interceptions and 34 sacks last year in 495 attempts think about that for just a moment and not let it just pass in one ear and out the other folks plus the running game for most of the season sucked for Testy because Jones was hurt

also VT had 60.0% completion rate Bledsoe had 60.1%
VT threw for 3532 yards without Terry Glenn for the most part Bledsoe threw 3639

average per pass completion VT 7.14 Bledsoe 7.29

they are the same guy...it is freaky...they are so close the only differerance would be that Bledsoe threw a few more TD's 23 for Bledsoe to 17 for VT but bledsoe had lot more negative plays....

Vinny did more with less...no TG-no JJ and for the most part an attrocious o-line

The only thing you have proven is STATS LIE!

 

[Jarv]

Since you are so stuck on stats, how bout this one.
Vinny 6-10
Bledsoe 9-7

Yeah and QC was 10-6...

They all sucked and I don't want QC, Vinny or Bledsoe next year.

But if BP comes back next year, its Bledsoe and I will root for him. Just would like to see an upgrade at the DALLAS COWBOYS QB POSITION.

Guess I'm just spoiled having watched Danday Don, Roger, Danny and Troy.

 

[Zaxor]

The only thing you have proven is STATS LIE!

fine that is really easy to say...so what do you have to prove that Bledsoe was better...sorry if I don't just take your word for it

 

[bsheeern]

again VT made do with less... that it was only a three game differance says more about how good VT was than it does about anything else

Call Bill Parcells and tell him you think that Vinny is a better QB, or just as good, for the Cowboys than Bledsoe because he had similiar stats last year in comparison to Bledsoe's this year. You just might give him a stroke and then he won't have to make a decision about coming back.

 

[RCowboyFan]

Yeah and QC was 10-6...

They all sucked and I don't want QC, Vinny or Bledsoe next year.

But if BP comes back next year, its Bledsoe and I will root for him. Just would like to see an upgrade at the DALLAS COWBOYS QB POSITION.

Guess I'm just spoiled having watched Danday Don, Roger, Danny and Troy.

I guess then Quincy is the Best QB among three ( Bledsoe,Testy and Carter)

 

[superpunk]

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I believe if you check we were leading the league for a while with vinny T who started out throwing a couple 300 yard games but poor ole VT did not have the defense that Bledsoe did nor did he have Terry Glenn or Julious Jones or Dan Campbell for a good chunk of the season and then Key had a bad knee no wonder he threw a few more picks... again your arguement does not hold water

We led the league in passing yards for a short time, I believe three games, because we had no run game, and had to chuck it like crazy. Also at that time, VT DID in fact have Glenn.

 

[Zaxor]

Yeah and QC was 10-6...

They all sucked and I don't want QC, Vinny or Bledsoe next year.

But if BP comes back next year, its Bledsoe and I will root for him. Just would like to see an upgrade at the DALLAS COWBOYS QB POSITION.

Guess I'm just spoiled having watched Danday Don, Roger, Danny and Troy.

You know when I was a little Zaxor...my Mom use to say don't take that stick and stir up that Hornets nest....do you think I should have listened to my Mom