The proof is in the pudding VT was better than Bledsoe

[joseephuss]

again quote me a stat I am listening or tell me how you grade QB's...

I grade QBs by watching them play. Drew played better than Vinny. That was obvious. You can't convince me otherwise. He didn't seem to have the strong arm that was talked about when he was signed and just his overall presence was not impressive.

I also look at QB ratings because it gives a decent perspective on how a QB performed. I don't rely solely on that stat, but it is a good gauge to use. Vinny in 2004 had a 76.4 rating and Drew had a 83.7 rating.

Drew produced 25 TDs and Vinny produced 18 TDs.

Drew went 9-7 and Vinny went 6-10. That stat is misleading because it is a team game and you can look at weaknesses at the other positions and see how it effected the QB.

You keep bringing up that Julius was not around for much of the time last season. The fact remains that when Julius was around in 2004, he was very effective and carried a big load. That is also when Vinny played at his worst. Give Dallas that kind of running production the second half of this season and Bledsoe doesn't fail as miserbly as Vinny did.

Vinny had a 68.9 rating when Julius rushed for 198 yards against Seattle last season and Seattle was not a good defense last year. Drew had a 90.7 rating against a very good Carolina defense when Julius went for 194 yards this season.

Vinny better than Drew? No way. I am glad that sucker is gone. This would be another 6-10 season or worse if he were still the QB.

 

[Jarv]

I guess then Quincy is the Best QB among three ( Bledsoe,Testy and Carter)

He had the most mobility, thats for sure...Juked his way right outta Dallas.

 

[superpunk]

wow we even had a harder schedule in 2004

Put down the pipe. There are like three teams that had winning records on our '04 schedule. This year, we're one of three teams that has an opponents win pct. of above .520, and still have a winning record.

 

[Zaxor]

Call Bill Parcells and tell him you think that Vinny is a better QB, or just as good, for the Cowboys than Bledsoe because he had similiar stats last year in comparison to Bledsoe's this year. You just might give him a stroke and then he won't have to make a decision about coming back.

Bwahaha do you think it will really work?

 

[RCowboyFan]

Call Bill Parcells and tell him you think that Vinny is a better QB, or just as good, for the Cowboys than Bledsoe because he had similiar stats last year in comparison to Bledsoe's this year. You just might give him a stroke and then he won't have to make a decision about coming back.

Well why don't you tell him, Vinny was the problem that year and see what he says to you? Or did you not hear him say even when Bledsoe was signed, that Vinny was not the problem in 2004? Or did we not hear, Vinny was put in a bad situation and hence the record and his play from BP?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

We led the league in passing yards for a short time, I believe three games, because we had no run game, and had to chuck it like crazy. Also at that time, VT DID in fact have Glenn.

When Glenn left, so did our ability to throw downfield. What do you suppose that says?

 

[RCowboyFan]

He had the most mobility, thats for sure...Juked his way right outta Dallas.

True.

 

[Zaxor]

He had the most mobility, thats for sure...Juked his way right outta Dallas.

oohh very good

 

[superpunk]

When Glenn left, so did our ability to throw downfield. What do you suppose that says?

And then Jason Witten emerged. It's obvious after Glenn that we have no ability to throw deep, but it's not like Testes didn't have weapons. A few weeks after Glenn went down JJ came back in, and was more effective than anything we've seen this year, and yet still we lost to worse competition than we faced this year. What do you suppose THAT says?

 

[joseephuss]

wow we even had a harder schedule in 2004

A harder schedule? I don't think so. Washington, NY Giants and Seattle were better teams this year than in 2004.

 

[Kilyin]

Vinny had a 68.9 rating when Julius rushed for 198 yards against Seattle last season and Seattle was not a good defense last year. Drew had a 90.7 rating against a very good Carolina defense when Julius went for 194 yards this season.

Bledsoe had 23 TDs, not 25.

We beat Seattle with Vinny. Drew gave the Seattle game away with an interception.

They're both retreads and very similar QBs if you ask me. Vinny never looked quite as jittery as Bledsoe in the pocket though. Testaverde was an interception machine, Bledsoe is a fumble machine (hell he can't even take a snap without fumbling). Turnovers are turnovers and they both produce an inordinate amount.

 

[Dale]

Bledsoe, despite his fall toward the end of the year, still threw six more touchdowns than interceptions. I don't think Testaverde even had a positive touchdown-to-interception ratio past October, did he?

 

[mr.jameswoods]

This post is just silly. Regardless of any stats, no team would prefer VT over Bledsoe as their starter. Bledsoe is clearly better than VT. I can watch the games and observe that. And I'm not a Parcells homer either but I'm calling it as it is. You are not going to win an argument suggesting VT is better than Bledsoe at this point in their careers.

 

[Zaxor]

I grade QBs by watching them play. Drew played better than Vinny. That was obvious. You can't convince me otherwise. He didn't seem to have the strong arm that was talked about when he was signed and just his overall presence was not impressive.

I also look at QB ratings because it gives a decent perspective on how a QB performed. I don't rely solely on that stat, but it is a good gauge to use. Vinny in 2004 had a 76.4 rating and Drew had a 83.7 rating.

Drew produced 25 TDs and Vinny produced 18 TDs.

Drew went 9-7 and Vinny went 6-10. That stat is misleading because it is a team game and you can look at weaknesses at the other positions and see how it effected the QB.

You keep bringing up that Julius was not around for much of the time last season. The fact remains that when Julius was around in 2004, he was very effective and carried a big load. That is also when Vinny played at his worst. Give Dallas that kind of running production the second half of this season and Bledsoe doesn't fail as miserbly as Vinny did.

Vinny had a 68.9 rating when Julius rushed for 198 yards against Seattle last season and Seattle was not a good defense last year. Drew had a 90.7 rating against a very good Carolina defense when Julius went for 194 yards this season.

Vinny better than Drew? No way. I am glad that sucker is gone. This would be another 6-10 season or worse if he were still the QB.

you convently ignored fumbles which are not considered in QBR and sacks

also JJ missed 8-9 games and we lost Glenn early on and campbell and key was playing on one leg...for goodness sake if Bledsoe is allowed Flo as an excuse than VT surely can be allowed the same...

again you are giving me nothing concrete to grasp...VT had the much harder road to hoe and put up strikenly similiar numbers

 

[Champsheart]

fine that is really easy to say...so what do you have to prove that Bledsoe was better...sorry if I don't just take your word for it

UMMMM, Well it is called watching the games.

If you need to go to NFL.com and look at stats to decide who was better, then all you will probably get is lies, just like this post.

The game of Football and Quarterback play is not based upon stats.

If you cant watch the games and look at the opponents, look at the circumstances, etc. and tell then I feel for ya.

Shoot if you wanna go off STATS Bledsoe was probably better than Aikman ever was, well that would be a lie, but I bet you can go get the STATS to make a post saying the proof is in the pudding Bledsoe is better than Aikman.

STATS LIE! How good is Arizona?

Ranked #8 in Total Offense
Ranked #8 in Total Defense

Why where they 5-11?

Because STATS lie! Because STATS dont win football games.

Stats also do not decide who is the better QB's.

Trust your eyes and senses. USE THE FORCE, not NFL.COM/Stats

 

[Kilyin]

And then Jason Witten emerged. It's obvious after Glenn that we have no ability to throw deep, but it's not like Testes didn't have weapons. A few weeks after Glenn went down JJ came back in, and was more effective than anything we've seen this year, and yet still we lost to worse competition than we faced this year. What do you suppose THAT says?

Yeah, teams were deathly afraid of Vinny's weapons. Keyshawn and Witten kept defense coordinators up all hours of the night.

 

[Dale]

This post is just silly. Regardless of any stats, no team would prefer VT over Bledsoe as their starter. Bledsoe is clearly better than VT. I can watch the games and observe that. And I'm not a Parcells homer either but I'm calling it as it is. You are not going to win an argument suggesting VT is better than Bledsoe at this point in their careers.

I agree, James. If you polled 32 teams with this very question, you'd likely get 34 responses back in favor of Bledsoe lol.

 

[kojak]

I am not buying this. This is just more jibberish from people who have already made it clear that they don't like Bledsoe.

I guess if we had Vinny this year we would be playoff bound. yeah right.....

 

[Zaxor]

Bledsoe, despite his fall toward the end of the year, still threw six more touchdowns than interceptions. I don't think Testaverde even had a positive touchdown-to-interception ratio past October, did he?

nope VT did not he threw 3 more int's than TD's but had a lot less fumbles 8 to 18 I think plus less sacks so VT had less negative plays

 

[Kilyin]

STATS LIE! How good is Arizona?

Ranked #8 in Total Offense
Ranked #8 in Total Defense

Why where they 5-11?

Because STATS lie! Because STATS dont win football games.

Stats also do not decide who is the better QB's.

Trust your eyes and senses. USE THE FORCE, not NFL.COM/Stats

You left out the best stat, Arizona had more penalty yards than they did rushing yards. Does that lie?