The QB position

[4lifecowboy]

LOL...........The first 24 games of Dak's career as a whole have been absolutely astounding. The guy is a true stud QB.

No he's not, he is an average QB talent that fell into great situation.

 

[4lifecowboy]

Personally, I think Rush looked incredible in the little that we saw of him. I would even venture to say that he looked as good as Dak did in his first preseason. But Rush doesnt have the element of the mobile QB. Or at least I dont recall it.

Accuracy, and confidence in that accuracy trumps mobility IMO.

 

[CowboyRoy]

No he's not, he is an average QB talent that fell into great situation.

Facts are stubborn things. He's a great QB that fell into an incredible situation. The numbers and results speak for themselves.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Accuracy, and confidence in that accuracy trumps mobility IMO.

Nice to have a QB in Dak that has it all.

 

[4lifecowboy]

ahahahahahahaha!!!!! As if you have mildly thrown in the towel at all. LOL

Talk about the most overzealous, ridiculous thing to say. Do you even understand football and how the offense works? Did you even watch the Cowboys this year? Did you even know when Zeke got suspended and Smith went down?

Witten is just old and slow. Been that way for about 3 seasons now. Williams has sucked since he got in the NFL. Cant beat single coverage. Dez has been going south for 3 years now with injuries and getting old. He has always been a poor route runner. There is NOTHING "all of a sudden" about any of that.

Overzealous? Dak is a stud? I have just as much a case to question your football IQ as you do mine, if I recall Smith and Elliott participated in the Denver game where Dak's deficiencies were exposed.

 

[4lifecowboy]

Facts are stubborn things. He's a great QB that fell into an incredible situation. The numbers and results speak for themselves.

Numbers seldom tells the whole story, hell numbers say Romo is the greatest QB in Cowboy's history. Those of us that seen Staubach and Aikman laugh at that numbers fact.

 

[Jumbo075]

Fact is that Dak cratered in the second half of the season when Elliott was gone. It doesn't prove that Dak cannot carry the offense by himself (like Romo used to do). But it is a fact that he didn't carry the team this year under adverse circumstances.

Now, are there mitigating factors? Of course. Just like there were mitigating factors in Romo's case.

If I had to pick between Dak last year, and a younger Romo, I would have picked the younger Romo. If you could trust Romo to stay healthy, it would have been an easy choice. But the reality is that Romo was knocked out for most of two consecutive seasons. His body was no longer able to handle the game. The Cowboys were fortunate to land Dak, and he did have the best rookie quarterback season in the 97 year history of the NFL (now 98 seasons.) That's not nothing, and gives all of us hope that Dak will learn from his dismal 2nd half of 2017 and get better. Even Jerry Jones has said he believes Dak will ultimately be better because of the struggles he had this year. But Jerry needs to believe that, because the Cowboys are all in on Dak.

I hope it's true, too. And I hope that Dak (who didn't get the luxury of learning on the bench for over 3 seasons like Romo did) will ultimately be better than Romo. But that jury is still out, and the verdict is a long time away from coming in.

On the other hand, the verdict for Romo is in. His body gave out. End of story, and end of career. He landed a pretty good gig to replace football though.

 

[jterrell]

And Romo had a winning percentage of .614, 10th highest among 56 QBs with 100+ starts...yet he got benched for the ‘hot hand’.

No goofball he didn't.
He got hurt then didn't get handed his job back when we were rolling along at a tremendous clip.
Had Tony had any string of healthy play he likely would have been given the job back.
Given his health and salary the team made the only decision they could.

If the question is if Dak is out for 10 games and Rush goes 10-2 should he keep the job, the answer is an easy yes.
Should he win the job based on pre-season though? LOL No.

 

[jterrell]

Any serious question about QB should include do we consider a player like Josh Allen at 19 or do we pony up for a legit FA QB to challenge Dak.

If you are interested in something more than trolling that what's would be discussed here.

 

[Gator88]

No goofball he didn't.
He got hurt then didn't get handed his job back when we were rolling along at a tremendous clip.
Had Tony had any string of healthy play he likely would have been given the job back.
Given his health and salary the team made the only decision they could.

If the question is if Dak is out for 10 games and Rush goes 10-2 should he keep the job, the answer is an easy yes.
Should he win the job based on pre-season though? LOL No.

You don't continue play an inferior player because you're on a winning streak with that player unless you are a loser. If your goal is winning, you play the best player which will make your overall team better, and let the rest of the chips fall wherever they may. If Dak proves himself out to be a better QB than Rush, and yet Rush has the team at 10-2 when Dak is hurt, you bring Dak back whenever he is fully healed because that will improve your team.

 

[noshame]

Cooper Rush no wonder Jerry gets away with this nonsense year after year with this fan base.

Dak chokes this year and we end up horrible we draft a real quarterback
I don't think that'll happen I think lenihan will adjust the offense and Dak will be huge this year.

 

[noshame]

You don't continue play an inferior player because you're on a winning streak with that player unless you are a loser. If your goal is winning, you play the best player which will make your overall team better, and let the rest of the chips fall wherever they may. If Dak proves himself out to be a better QB than Rush, and yet Rush has the team at 10-2 when Dak is hurt, you bring Dak back whenever he is fully healed because that will improve your team.

NO YOU DON'T
And I'm a fan of Daks

 

[Bullflop]

The offensive scheme is limited but, if Rush showed the signs of executing it more efficiently then Dak, like say throwing more downfeild in the 20+ yard range with greater accuracy. Would it warrant a QB switch?

That's up to the FO and the staff to decide. Training camp will offer a clue as to what the QB situation is with both Dak and Cooper Rush. If they feel a change is warranted, it's their responsibility to tend to it as they see fit for the good of the team. What's best for the team should be the primary concern for every position on the roster, including QB.

There are so many requirements to be considered in arriving at who the starter will be. As we all should acknowledge, downfield accuracy is only one test among many. Completion percentage, poise, accuracy, decision making, consistency, work ethic and leadership are some other considerations that count heavily in deciding upon a starter at QB.

 

[Londonboy]

Fact is that Dak cratered in the second half of the season when Elliott was gone. It doesn't prove that Dak cannot carry the offense by himself (like Romo used to do). But it is a fact that he didn't carry the team this year under adverse circumstances.

Now, are there mitigating factors? Of course. Just like there were mitigating factors in Romo's case.

If I had to pick between Dak last year, and a younger Romo, I would have picked the younger Romo. If you could trust Romo to stay healthy, it would have been an easy choice. But the reality is that Romo was knocked out for most of two consecutive seasons. His body was no longer able to handle the game. The Cowboys were fortunate to land Dak, and he did have the best rookie quarterback season in the 97 year history of the NFL (now 98 seasons.) That's not nothing, and gives all of us hope that Dak will learn from his dismal 2nd half of 2017 and get better. Even Jerry Jones has said he believes Dak will ultimately be better because of the struggles he had this year. But Jerry needs to believe that, because the Cowboys are all in on Dak.

I hope it's true, too. And I hope that Dak (who didn't get the luxury of learning on the bench for over 3 seasons like Romo did) will ultimately be better than Romo. But that jury is still out, and the verdict is a long time away from coming in.

On the other hand, the verdict for Romo is in. His body gave out. End of story, and end of career. He landed a pretty good gig to replace football though.

Agree with most of this, except the highlighted.
We won't be all in until We make a financial commitment We can't get away from.

 

[northerncowboynation]

Spears was a 3-4 DE, not a DT.

As I said, a totally different defensive scheme

 

[northerncowboynation]

I mean, if Dak was playing at an elite level before that Atlanta game you would have a point.. but that was just not the case.

The first game of the season, Dak kept missing wide open receivers..we had to settle for field goals and we won against a bad giants team.

The Denver game..no explanation needed.

The Cardinal game, Dak had below 100 yards untill the "hail Mary" throw to Butler..

The signs were there long before the Zeke suspension and Tyron Smith injuries.

I think the entire team missed the flight to Denver. That was actually the DC cheerleaders dressed out as players on the field. Hmmm, 97 QB rating pre EE vacation and Tyron back/groin/knee and under 70 in the games missed by both, I'd say there is a strong correlation. Perhaps not. Better hope so though cause Dak's the guy for two more years. Better hope EE stays clean of misfortune and Tyron's back heals OR we actually sign a decent swing tackle. Just my thoughts. Could be wrong

 

[big dog cowboy]

If Cooper Rush were to outperform Dak in the off-season or preseason should he become the starter?

More proof of why I hate the off season.

 

[jterrell]

You don't continue play an inferior player because you're on a winning streak with that player unless you are a loser. If your goal is winning, you play the best player which will make your overall team better, and let the rest of the chips fall wherever they may. If Dak proves himself out to be a better QB than Rush, and yet Rush has the team at 10-2 when Dak is hurt, you bring Dak back whenever he is fully healed because that will improve your team.

I'm not sure you guys have actual working brains.

The entire point is winning.
And if you are winning you are DOING IT RIGHT.

I could care less if a guy looks better in a uniform or has a better arm or points to the sky after every touchdown. I only care about winning; as do the coaches.

There is no guarantee an injured player returns at 100% or that the team is ready to adjust to that player.
And there's zero reason to take risks when you are winning at an 80% clip.
If a guy is 8-2 as a tarter you are going to let that guy play until he loses, wins but has an awful game or until the off-season when there's an open competition again.

8-2 is reality on the field. What someone thinks is better or worse is just thoughts.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

Dak .... 22-10 as a starter!

6-6 in his last 12 games...just saying

 

[jterrell]

No he's not, he is an average QB talent that fell into great situation.

You area below average poster. Should I follow you around every thread and and create new threads regularly to point it out?