The QB position

[kskboys]

Ksk, you make a great point. I just had a thought. You know, they claim it's Marinelli that doesn't value the nose tackle position, but really, nothing has changed since Wade was the DC and they didn't want to move Ratliff to DE and the run defense was trash. I think it's Jerry more than anyone.

And Jerry only hires coaches who keep their mouths shut. Hmmm.....

 

[northerncowboynation]

Ksk, you make a great point. I just had a thought. You know, they claim it's Marinelli that doesn't value the nose tackle position, but really, nothing has changed since Wade was the DC and they didn't want to move Ratliff to DE and the run defense was trash. I think it's Jerry more than anyone.

Ask yourself when we picked a DT high in the draft last. I remember the last high pick, Marcus Spears and that goes way back to Parcells and Spears was in a totally different defensive scheme. Maybe there was another, my memory isn't always perfect. Tyron Crawford was a third rounder but a tweener. It's more of a team philosophy than a Marinelli philosophy, it's just that the twp philosophies on DT match. A case could be made that at one point Marinelli valued DT's highly in his Tampa days. Then again, it may have been a Dungy or Kippen thing. Who knows

 

[Aven8]

Brady would've been killed after 09 w/ that crapp we trotted out and tried to pass for an OL.

You take that back......Phil Costa is a legend in these parts!

 

[kskboys]

Ask yourself when we picked a DT high in the draft. I remember the last high pick, Marcus Spears and that goes way back to Parcells and Spears was in a totally different defensive scheme. Maybe there was another, my memory isn't always perfect. Tyron Crawford was a third rounder but a tweener. It's more of a team philosophy than a Marinelli philosophy it's just that the twp philosophies on DT match

Do they? Or does Marinate just keep his mouth shut and make do?

 

[kskboys]

You take that back......Phil Costa is a legend in these parts!

Man, you ain'ta kiddin'!!!! Don't know as I've ever seen a bad player get more love than ol' Phil!!!!

 

[Aven8]

Man, you ain'ta kiddin'!!!! Don't know as I've ever seen a bad player get more love than ol' Phil!!!!

Andre Gurode maybe? Still the dumbest Center I've ever seen in this game. I can still hear Big Bill screaming at him!! Lol

 

[Captain-Crash]

Tebow was a winner, did they fix his throwing problems. Lol he didn't have the "glitch" though.

 

[northerncowboynation]

Do they? Or does Marinate just keep his mouth shut and make do?

Honestly. I have no idea. Never sat in the war room, never heard any taped conversations except the ones our brave staff writers want us to hear. Like the phone conversation between Roddy and Maleik Collins "we have you as the best DT in the draft". Nice words, did he mean them, who knows

 

[Boyz981]

This is a discussion about the QB, not the team. Leave team stats out of it.

LMAO .... whatever works for ya!

 

[kskboys]

Andre Gurode maybe? Still the dumbest Center I've ever seen in this game. I can still hear Big Bill screaming at him!! Lol

Gurode was decent, just dumb!!!!!

Jessie Holley? Sam Hurd?

 

[northerncowboynation]

Tebow was a winner, did they fix his throwing problems. Lol he didn't have the "glitch" though.

Tebows hail mary's were real. He said them before every throw, then after, then on the field. Dude was a Christian then he went all "Bachelor" and charmed da ladies out of their knickers. Good old Timbo, lovin da ladies and prayin

 

[Captain-Crash]

we should have knew something was wrong with Dak when he couldn't hit the trash can from 3 feet away. Hey he did pick it up after he missed..

 

[Aviano90]

I remember when people were salivating over dead arm Cassel and buck toothed Moore in 2015 and the offense sucked worse when those 2 were playing. The person sitting on the bench is always better until they get the opportunity to prove otherwise.

 

[superonyx]

I did.

When a young QB gets shoved into the mix before he is ready, he often develops bad habits, and doesn't learn certain aspects of the game. This is especially true when the youngster comes from a shotgun type O.
Dak's footwork and mechanics needed much work before he ever stepped onto a field in the NFL.

So, what happened in Dak's 2nd year? His footwork is still a work in progress. He's still throwing off his back foot way too much. He's still got some problems in how to handle pressure.

While Dak should have been learning, he was handing the ball off and throwing lots of short stuff. Might have delayed his development.

Seriously, the little "should have thought before you typed" thingie is cute and all, but weak. I'm thinking you should have assessed and evaluated a lot more before you typed!!!!!!!!!!!!

You mean like Wentz last year when he was the 28th ranked QB in the league. Or maybe Goff when he looked like the biggest bust since Ryan Leaf... put either of these guys in this offense without Zeke and Tyron Smith and see how great their mechanics look.

It’s funny how a Dak with the same mechanics and footwork was named rookie of the year...
Suddenly teams figured out our sorry offense and now suddenly it’s not the system that needs work but Daks footwork.

Very few QBs that have ever played the game would look good in this offense without Zeke and pieces on the O Line.

I see you got your little feelings hurt by my post. How cute.

 

[DFWJC]

The spike was as bad as the muffed field goal by you know who It lost us the game

Are you referring to the special teams, non QB play, more than a decade ago? Just curious. Honest question

 

[DFWJC]

And Romo had a winning percentage of .614, 10th highest among 56 QBs with 100+ starts...yet he got benched for the ‘hot hand’.

Tony--and I love the guy--was getting hard to rely on.

But your point about team record is valid...but even way more so if you use the far more important recent data.
12-3 2014, then 1-1 playoffs...and 1st player in NFL history to lead the NFL in QB rating in BOTH the regular season and playoffs
3-1 2015, but two injuries

so way, WAY better than .614

I don't think there was any coach, nor maybe any players, that though Dak's was actually better than Romo.
That would be ludicrous.
But he was young, playing great, and represented the future...so they stayed the course.

 

[northerncowboynation]

You mean like Wentz last year when he was the 28th ranked QB in the league. Or maybe Goff when he looked like the biggest bust since Ryan Leaf... put either of these guys in this offense without Zeke and Tyron Smith and see how great their mechanics look.

It’s funny how a Dak with the same mechanics and footwork was named rookie of the year...
Suddenly teams figured out our sorry offense and now suddenly it’s not the system that needs work but Daks footwork.

Very few QBs that have ever played the game would look good in this offense without Zeke and pieces on the O Line.

I see you got your little feelings hurt by my post. How cute.

Also funny how losing a pro-bowl LT for three games leading to 18 sacks, many more QB pressures and hits yet Dak disclaimers refuse to acknowledge that. They call reasons, excuses. Yes, he needs to improve his mechanics. Romo needed to improve his decisions with the ball in his hands. He did eventually. 2013 and 2014 were stellar Romo years.

 

[starcity214]

You mean like Wentz last year when he was the 28th ranked QB in the league. Or maybe Goff when he looked like the biggest bust since Ryan Leaf... put either of these guys in this offense without Zeke and Tyron Smith and see how great their mechanics look.

It’s funny how a Dak with the same mechanics and footwork was named rookie of the year...
Suddenly teams figured out our sorry offense and now suddenly it’s not the system that needs work but Daks footwork.

Very few QBs that have ever played the game would look good in this offense without Zeke and pieces on the O Line.

I see you got your little feelings hurt by my post. How cute.

Dak wasn't even the best rookie on his own team!


ZEKE played against the Seahawks and the Eagles. Why did our offense (passing game) look like trash in those two games?


Since the end of the 2016 season ( look it up) I have been saying that defenses will begin to stack the box and force Dak to beat them deep. That is exactly what happened in 2017.
That is what will happen in 2018.

You slobberers want All Pros across the board to carry Dak on their backs when the easy fix would be to get a competent QB under center.

We could have an offensive line full of all pro players but if Dak doesn't learn to maneuver within the pocket and make pre snap reads, it won't make a difference. 5 guys won't be able to block 7 or 8 players. Defenses usually don't blitz because the risk of giving up a big play is too much. Against Dak they do because he's scared to go deep.

We could have Randy Moss and Michael Irvin in their primes and it wouldn't make a difference. No NFL receiver gets 10 yards of separation on every play and Dak doesn't trust his arm to make most throws. He only throws when a receiver is wide open or within 10 yards. The result? A bottom half passing attack. Michael Irvin would have been run out of town with Dak.

We could have Barry Sanders as our Running back and it wouldn't make a difference. When you have 9 guys waiting for you at the line of scrimmage on a consistent basis, what can you do? If only we had a guy that made defenses pay for stacking the line by throwing deep I guarantee you they would back up and give the RB easy 5 yard runs..

It all goes back to having a good QB.
People hate pass happy offenses but a a run happy offense is the same. Both are handicapped because the defense knows what you will do. The best offense is a balanced offense. With Dak, we can't have that luxury because our game plan is to hide him and hope he doesn't have to throw...

All of our offensive woes go back to bad QB play. Even our defense played good this year.

The easy fix is to get a good QB in here. A QB that defenses have to respect...i guarantee you, Zeke will look like Smith, Bryant will look like Irvin and our O line will suddenly become dominant again..

 

[starcity214]

Also funny how losing a pro-bowl LT for three games leading to 18 sacks, many more QB pressures and hits yet Dak disclaimers refuse to acknowledge that. They call reasons, excuses. Yes, he needs to improve his mechanics. Romo needed to improve his decisions with the ball in his hands. He did eventually. 2013 and 2014 were stellar Romo years.

I mean, if Dak was playing at an elite level before that Atlanta game you would have a point.. but that was just not the case.

The first game of the season, Dak kept missing wide open receivers..we had to settle for field goals and we won against a bad giants team.

The Denver game..no explanation needed.

The Cardinal game, Dak had below 100 yards untill the "hail Mary" throw to Butler..

The signs were there long before the Zeke suspension and Tyron Smith injuries.

 

[Portnoy1]

And then add in the fact that Dak was extremely raw coming in and really should have sat a couple years while he learned the position.

Sadly with Romo being brittle combined with Dak being solid out of the gate it put the cowboys in a tough spot.
If Romo came back game 8 then got hurt and was out by game 13 then their would have been major criticism coming the cowboys way.
Heaven forbid they lost any games when he was in.
Also the cowboys didn't have a solid vet this year to help Dak. Maybe Sanchez would've been the guy to keep. Not for competition but training. Simply because you can't pay Romo to be a backup another season and you can't start him knowing he was going to get hurt again at some point.