The "Right Kind of Guy" (quotes from Bill Belichick)

[SWG9]

I don't think they're clueless. I think they're leading gullible readers around by a golden ring in their collective noses.

Stuff like this is nothing more than an invitation to pile on the organization and the head coach again, but, yeah, it's pretty obvious that they have a very specific strategy for player acquisition, and that they do a good job with it.

Everybody has a plan. It's the NFL, no one is completely clueless. Campo had a plan, Gailey had a plan, and Phillips had a plan too.

The real question is whether or not Garrett will get enough time to see his plan through.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Everybody has a plan. It's the NFL, no one is completely clueless. Campo had a plan, Gailey had a plan, and Phillips had a plan too.

The real question is whether or not Garrett will get enough time to see his plan through.

I'd imagine he won't be given much longer to start showing some kind of tangible results. The real, real question is how much longer do we want to give him if he doesn't.

 

[Idgit]

Everybody has a plan. It's the NFL, no one is completely clueless. Campo had a plan, Gailey had a plan, and Phillips had a plan too.

The real question is whether or not Garrett will get enough time to see his plan through.

That's fair.

Everything I hear coming out of the Ranch is that the organization and the coaches love him. Kiffin mentioned it again today that he's been impressed with how the organization is run from top to bottom.

Personally, I think even another middling season gets JG another year if there's not something completely embarrassing that happens. I don't think it's necessarily playoffs or bust, though no playoffs with a questionable loss or two that are blamed on Jason would probably do it.

 

[punchnjudy]

<It comes down a couple things. No. 1, of course, is talent. But really, everybody in the National Football League has talent.>

Sorry Bill, but not everybody in the league has Tom Brady or anything close.

 

[Miller]

Sorry, but for all the Romo threads and JJ threads, I think Garrett is the worst of our problems. I can handle anything else. I could, as an attorney, want to be like Joe Jamail was(maybe a bad example but you get the point) and I could follow his style, etc but once I stepped in the courtroom if I folded or just couldn't go 100% and sell to a jury then that would be a failure. Garrett is trying to do the right things...talking to Coach K, etc but overall he makes dumb mistakes, his philosophy is too rigid, etc. He may want to collect his type of guys but he doesn't put them in the right places to win on gameday. Didn't see it as an Oc and don't see it as a HC. JMO.

 

[DBOY3141]

Sorry, but for all the Romo threads and JJ threads, I think Garrett is the worst of our problems. I can handle anything else. I could, as an attorney, want to be like Joe Jamail was(maybe a bad example but you get the point) and I could follow his style, etc but once I stepped in the courtroom if I folded or just couldn't go 100% and sell to a jury then that would be a failure. Garrett is trying to do the right things...talking to Coach K, etc but overall he makes dumb mistakes, his philosophy is too rigid, etc. He may want to collect his type of guys but he doesn't put them in the right places to win on gameday. Didn't see it as an Oc and don't see it as a HC. JMO.

So if you had the power to get rid:

1. Garrett the coach
2. Romo the QB
3. JJ the GM

You would go with Garrett??

So when Garrett is gone and we are still a .500 club will it be the new coaches fault?

 

[BHendri5]

I've been saying since Garrett took over he has a vision, the media and Jerry needs to let him complete his vision and watch this team take off.
Garrett is a good coach, he is going thru the stages he become a great coach.

 

[visionary]

So if you had the power to get rid:

1. Garrett the coach
2. Romo the QB
3. JJ the GM

You would go with Garrett??

So when Garrett is gone and we are still a .500 club will it be the new coaches fault?

No, you fire the GM because this GM is the only reason Garrett is our HC
Any new GM would fire a HC who

failed as OC,
leads an undisciplined team with no accountability to consecutive seasons with 8-8 records
can't win a division during 2 down years and
whose team folded like a cheap rent in back to back win or go home games

 

[DBOY3141]

No, you fire the GM because this GM is the only reason Garrett is our HC
Any new GM would fire a HC who

failed as OC,
leads an undisciplined team with no accountability to consecutive seasons with 8-8 records
can't win a division during 2 down years and
whose team folded like a cheap rent in back to back win or go home games

So the GM is the problem....thanks.

 

[Everson24]

I think Jason Garrett would make a better GM than head coach. Obviously that is not going to happen here, but I do like the type of player he is bringing to the team.

 

[nalam]

Why ? I wonder, life doesn't give that many chances to anyone? Isn't it?

He has not succeeded as OC , his play calling leaves lot to be desired, if he fails as HC too , why give him GM job. I think people put too much emphasis on the Ivy League criteria , but football is not a game of chess.

I think if he can't improve the team and get into a playoff run , as any other coach he should be fired.

 

[CF74]

Finishing building up the o-line and we start winning big games again, it's that simple....

 

[visionary]

Why ? I wonder, life doesn't give that many chances to anyone? Isn't it?

He has not succeeded as OC , his play calling leaves lot to be desired, if he fails as HC too , why give him GM job. I think people put too much emphasis on the Ivy League criteria , but football is not a game of chess.

I think if he can't improve the team and get into a playoff run , as any other coach he should be fired.

It is called blind homerism

Only in organizations accepting of mediocrity and nepotism would someone get promoted despite being bad at their current job

See my sig

 

[17yearsandcounting]

That's fair.

Everything I hear coming out of the Ranch is that the organization and the coaches love him. Kiffin mentioned it again today that he's been impressed with how the organization is run from top to bottom.

Personally, I think even another middling season gets JG another year if there's not something completely embarrassing that happens. I don't think it's necessarily playoffs or bust, though no playoffs with a questionable loss or two that are blamed on Jason would probably do it.

What is Kiffin supposed to say? "I diddnt realize what a mess I got myself into!"

Just like that Sean Lee quote in your signature.

Wow, employees talking up their boss to the media! Impressive stuff!

 

[Muhast]

To me the "right kind of guy" is the best possible football player we can field on our team.

 

[Hoofbite]

Belichick has taken on players Dallas wouldn't in the last few years.

RKG for Belichick is someone who will get with the program first and foremost. He'll take on a guy like Haynesworth or even Ocho at lost cost because he has nothing to lose if they fail and everything to gain if they succeed. He is the authority on that team and what he says goes. Wouldn't surprise me if they overlook character flaws so long as a player will fall in-step.

RKG for Garrett seems to be a guy that Garrett knows he won't have to worry about. Likely because any sort of turmoil will be mediated by Uncle Jerry. Garrett doesn't have the skins on the wall or the ultimate authority to make the threat of reprimand stick.

To me they are only similar in name.

RKG for Bill is a guy who doesn't cause trouble because that player knows not to cross the guy.

RKG for Jason is a guy he knows won't cause trouble because trouble gets sent to Jerry and will likely undermine Jason's position.

Down the road (provided Jason is successful) Jason could probably be in a position where guys know not to cross him. If he turns the team around and gets the clout to be able to flex his muscle on people, I could see him going for higher character risk guys right now. Until then, he's likely not really wanting to deal with it because it has the potential to allow Jerry to get too involved.

 

[CoCo]

That's fair.

Everything I hear coming out of the Ranch is that the organization and the coaches love him. Kiffin mentioned it again today that he's been impressed with how the organization is run from top to bottom.

Personally, I think even another middling season gets JG another year if there's not something completely embarrassing that happens. I don't think it's necessarily playoffs or bust, though no playoffs with a questionable loss or two that are blamed on Jason would probably do it.

This is pretty much where I'm at with Garrett as well. I think Garrett gets very positive reviews regarding how he runs and/or influences how the org is run. No one said that about Wade, Campo or Switzer.

Where Garrett runs short is on undeniable breakthrough proof in the pudding results. The team has teased us on that front.

1. The 6-4 finish sans Romo in 2010.
2. The close but no cigar finishes in both 2011 & 2012.
3. The opening day "almost" in 2011 when no one gave us much chance, the handling of the champs at their place to open 2012.
4. The little run through Cincy & Pitt despite piles of injuries and Jerry Brown's death.

But all told there's enough falling just short to leave him on the hot seat at least in the minds of most. I get that. Clearly there are aspects to Garrett's leadership that many love, others where the jury is out. But this is hardly the days of Switzer, Campo & Wade where doubt was found under pretty much every rock.

If Garrett gets the team close but no cigar in 2013 I could see Jerry sticking with him one more time as despite the perception this team is already built, there is another view that suggests its still being built. If the results are other than a clear TKO, the temptation will be there to go another year

 

[tm1119]

Seems like Belichick is just saying the right thing to the media to me. Either that or his idea of "RKG" and ours are extremely different. How many bad character guys have they taken a chance on in the past 5 years or so? Moss, Haynesworth, Denard Robinson, Aquib Talib, ect. I know there are a bunch more, especially late round picks, just can't think of them right now. Patriots seem to be all about acquiring as much talent as possible and letting their vet leadership handle the problem guys. Something I wish we were able to do.

 

[Idgit]

This is pretty much where I'm at with Garrett as well. I think Garrett gets very positive reviews regarding how he runs and/or influences how the org is run. No one said that about Wade, Campo or Switzer.

Where Garrett runs short is on undeniable breakthrough proof in the pudding results. The team has teased us on that front.

1. The 6-4 finish sans Romo in 2010.
2. The close but no cigar finishes in both 2011 & 2012.
3. The opening day "almost" in 2011 when no one gave us much chance, the handling of the champs at their place to open 2012.
4. The little run through Cincy & Pitt despite piles of injuries and Jerry Brown's death.

But all told there's enough falling just short to leave him on the hot seat at least in the minds of most. I get that. Clearly there are aspects to Garrett's leadership that many love, others where the jury is out. But this is hardly the days of Switzer, Campo & Wade where doubt was found under pretty much every rock.

If Garrett gets the team close but no cigar in 2013 I could see Jerry sticking with him one more time as despite the perception this team is already built, there is another view that suggests its still being built. If the results are other than a clear TKO, the temptation will be there to go another year

Hopefully, it won't be much of an issue. I know we finished 8-8 the last two years, but I've got a fair amount of confidence that that 2011 squad would not have fared as well as last year's under the same injury circumstances. The team looks to be coming together in terms of temperament and they show an ability to get after you and stay after you.

I know I sound like a broken record, but this was a 500 team with all of those injuries and a -13 TO differential. They're obviously doing some things right just to get to 500. If they address the TOs, they are going to win more games. It looks to me like just about everything they're doing here this offseason is to address takeaways and red zone production. I think there's a good plan in place if we stay the course and if the defensive scheme change doesn't derail anything (I don't think it will, but changing schemes *is* a big deal).

 

[Idgit]

What is Kiffin supposed to say? "I diddnt realize what a mess I got myself into!"

Just like that Sean Lee quote in your signature.

Wow, employees talking up their boss to the media! Impressive stuff!

The old people-actually-mean-the-opposite-of-what-they-say-if-they-say-something-positive. Maybe.

Whenever I come across this argument, I just say that, if you're willing to believe it, player and coaches' quotes are entirely useless. That's a. paranoid and it b. doesn't lead to a lot of interesting discussion if you can't take a quote at face value.

Unless there's good reason to believe someone's outright lying (conflicting reports, it's draft time, etc). I'm always going to assume they're trying to tell a version of the truth as they see it. Obviously, you're free to do otherwise for whatever reason might float your boat.