The Real Question For Me is Long Term/Short Term

Alexander

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Definitely, if they go QB, my faith in the franchise is renewed, that would mean that they've finally realized what we've known for sometime, Romo's days are numbered (unfortunately).

I could understand if there were some run on QBs, like both Goff and Wentz gone before 4. Even Elliott gives some hope as we can at least field a competent balanced offense that could keep the defense off the field and our fragile QB upright and performing at a high level.

But if not, and they decide to try to once again plug a leak on a defense that is a long ways away from anything close to dominant by getting a "pretty good player", we will once again get confirmation that this organization only sees this year in front of their faces.
 

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The draft is and always will be about the long term. It's really as simple as that. If they want to plug holes then they should have done it in FA. And besides, 95% of players don't become real difference makers until at least year 2 and often times year 3.
 

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The draft is and always will be about the long term. It's really as simple as that. If they want to plug holes then they should have done it in FA. And besides, 95% of players don't become real difference makers until at least year 2 and often times year 3.

Or if we draft them (outside of the first round), they never really contribute anything.
 

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After reading Sturm's article a few weeks back, it became clear this #4 pick has implications which will affect more than just the team we see on the field come September.

What does the next decade look like? What does this team do after Romo?

Some will profess Tony has years left. But if Staubach and Aikman, and Pearson and Irvin taught us anything, a collision sport causes people to retire unexpectedly, and abruptly.

Granted Drew did so after a car wreck and Michael after finding out about a condition he had all along. But the fact remains, as a player gets older and begins taking stock of his life, sometimes health post-NFL becomes more of a priority. Especially with two children and a wife who would like to have a healthy husband post football.

Now factor in a great deal of wealth and the real possibility of ESPN or the NFL channel making him a talking head for several million a year, and you can see how that ring might lose its appeal over a future without injuries.

They say Staubach was the most competitive player anyone ever saw. Yet he walked from the game for this exact reason. Aikman as well.

So here is the dilemma. This team has youth in significant places. An offensive line which are babies compared to the league. A WR who is top five.

The defense surely needs a pass rusher and perhaps a good safety, corner, and a linebacker.

Yet after the first pick, some of those positions still could be filled. If not all.

So which is it?

Short term, trying to put a winner on the field in the next two years with a defensive pick?

Or thinking long term and picking a franchise leader on offense, and have him mature behind a guy we all think is one of the best?

I am now, and have always been about play makers. Teams are built around your play makers.

Bosa feels like a more talented Bobby Carpenter to me. I could and have been wrong many times in the past. I'm just not feeling it about him.

Ramsey would be a difficult decision for me because I believe he may be Darren Woodson for the next twelve years. Or better. He would be worth passing on a QB, but that is a toss up for me.

Zeke is a running back. And since the majority of people here have told me you can get a running back at any 7-11 in the metroplex, that is out for this high of a pick.

Quarterback interests me a great deal. Short term won't shore up all the weaknesses, and i'm not certain I am behind spending a premium pick on a defender that isn't the difference between losing to the Packers in 2014 or beating them then going to the dance.

A difference maker for years to come, and contracts to come is where my heart lies.

What will this team look like in 2018? Because I do not think Romo will be playing for them then.

Just my opinion.

What is yours?

How do know you said QB pick will be the difference maker?

If Ramsey is the 12yr guy in your mind, how do pass him up?
 

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How do know you said QB pick will be the difference maker?

If Ramsey is the 12yr guy in your mind, how do pass him up?

From my original post.

Ramsey would be a difficult decision for me because I believe he may be Darren Woodson for the next twelve years. Or better. He would be worth passing on a QB, but that is a toss up for me.
 

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If Ramsey is the 12yr guy in your mind, how do pass him up?

Simple. He is a defensive back. He will not have the direct impact that a QB would over the same span. Even an OT for that matter.

Even Deion Sanders, Charles Woodson, Rod Woodson etc. played for multiple teams because their skills diminished their value over the course of time.

Defensive backs are like wide receivers. A 12 year pro at the position has probably got by for at least a quarter of that time on guile than prowess since they lose speed and their bodies break down. They peak quickly and then have to be mentally top of the line to hang on that long.
 

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We've drafted tons of DP's over the past 20 years worth of drafts ... and how many of them brought us closer to the Super Bowl.
 

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Simple. He is a defensive back. He will not have the direct impact that a QB would over the same span. Even an OT for that matter.

Even Deion Sanders, Charles Woodson, Rod Woodson etc. played for multiple teams because their skills diminished their value over the course of time.

Defensive backs are like wide receivers. A 12 year pro at the position has probably got by for at least a quarter of that time on guile than prowess since they lose speed and their bodies break down. They peak quickly and then have to be mentally top of the line to hang on that long.

All things being equal, I lean toward a quarterback. They don't need to be exactly equal either.
 

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We've drafted tons of DP's over the past 20 years worth of drafts ... and how many of them brought us closer to the Super Bowl.

Nothing matters more than a QB. And if you are bad enough to get a crack at a top one, you are better off taking the shot than not.
 

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Nothing matters more than a QB. And if you are bad enough to get a crack at a top one, you are better off taking the shot than not.

Reality should add this to the top of every board until after the draft.

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Great post. I know I'm as torn on what's the best move. I personally like Bosa more than most. I've watched him a ton and I seen him doubled and tripled and still get pressure. That said I think QB, if availible is the smart move. One very good reason is the cost, in picks, may never be so cheap. If Wentz is there at 4 it's a no brainer. But I suspect he is gone .ramsey has grown on me and he would probably be my next choice. But I think there is a very good chance that Ramsey, Wentz and tunsil will be the top 3 picks, and there is also a very good chance trading down won't be an option
I don't see who people are gonna trade up for. If Goff is so good a team is willing to pay a premium for him makes me wonder if we are missing something. But no matter what you can't plan a trade down and very well may have to pick at 4. In that scenario with the three above gone I'm taking Bosa
 

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I could understand if there were some run on QBs, like both Goff and Wentz gone before 4. Even Elliott gives some hope as we can at least field a competent balanced offense that could keep the defense off the field and our fragile QB upright and performing at a high level.

But if not, and they decide to try to once again plug a leak on a defense that is a long ways away from anything close to dominant by getting a "pretty good player", we will once again get confirmation that this organization only sees this year in front of their faces.

Jack & Ramsey are viewed as great, not just pretty good. I have more faith in the defensive players in this draft than i do any of these "1st round" QBs, it wouldn't shock me if Cardale or Cook are better than Goff, Wentz, or Lynch.
 

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How do know you said QB pick will be the difference maker?

If Ramsey is the 12yr guy in your mind, how do pass him up?

The fact is that you can't make that kind of a projection about ANY player in ANY draft. What's being said about Ramsey now is very mu h akin to what was being said about Maurice Claiborne when he was drafted. He was considered to be the best defensive player in the draft. While their skill sets aren't the same - Claiborne had better ball skills, for example - they were comparable in what people saw as their potential.

I'm by no means comparing them now, just saying that you can't use the "12-year player" argument for Ramsey any more than you can one of the top QBs.
 

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Simple. He is a defensive back. He will not have the direct impact that a QB would over the same span. Even an OT for that matter.

Even Deion Sanders, Charles Woodson, Rod Woodson etc. played for multiple teams because their skills diminished their value over the course of time.

Defensive backs are like wide receivers. A 12 year pro at the position has probably got by for at least a quarter of that time on guile than prowess since they lose speed and their bodies break down. They peak quickly and then have to be mentally top of the line to hang on that long.

How do you know said QB's won't be a what is expected? What makes these QB the next Brady & not the next Mo or Leaf?

That is the 100000000 question
 

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The fact is that you can't make that kind of a projection about ANY player in ANY draft. What's being said about Ramsey now is very mu h akin to what was being said about Maurice Claiborne when he was drafted. He was considered to be the best defensive player in the draft. While their skill sets aren't the same - Claiborne had better ball skills, for example - they were comparable in what people saw as their potential.

I'm by no means comparing them now, just saying that you can't use the "12-year player" argument for Ramsey any more than you can one of the top QBs.

So, taking a chance on a QB is better than a can't miss prospect? We aren't drafting 1st.....maybe that QB is gone by 4?
 

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I'll take this kid over them all.....



AND won't pay a premium pick doing it..... Overall has the best zip & mind
71.9 completion %
388 completions
97 td vs 19int
 
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The fact is that you can't make that kind of a projection about ANY player in ANY draft. What's being said about Ramsey now is very mu h akin to what was being said about Maurice Claiborne when he was drafted. He was considered to be the best defensive player in the draft. While their skill sets aren't the same - Claiborne had better ball skills, for example - they were comparable in what people saw as their potential.

I'm by no means comparing them now, just saying that you can't use the "12-year player" argument for Ramsey any more than you can one of the top QBs.
I have a number of issues with Ramsey, where I initially quite liked the thought of taking him at 4. First, he's universally regarded as an elite DB. Not necessarily elite CB or safety, but elite DB. It's his position on a lot of prospect sites. His calling card from scouting reports is his versatility. I don't want to hear about that in a top 5 pick. I want a guy who has a position and has elite potential there. Now, a lot of reports say he can be an elite safety. Some say he should be a CB. That leads on to the next issue I have, being that I'm pretty certain that the Cowboys are probably gonna put him at CB if they take him. Byron Jones is a certainty to be a safety if you listen to Spagnola. If you are looking for an elite DB talent at 4, CB is the more valuable position. So there's discussion about what his best position is, whether he will be elite there, and there seems to be a good chance we would force him into the position he's least proficient at due to needs. A lot of fans that promote us taking him say something like just take him, then throw him in there with Jones and figure it out later. Again, just not something I want to hear about a guy picked at no. 4. I'd rather get a pure CB or pure safety later in the draft, potentially after trading down for extra picks.

Ramsey is very good, but I don't know if he's quite the perfect can't miss prospect some are saying. He does not get interceptions with poor hands, and is not fluid at CB. He's stiff moving lateral, just like Jones. He probably has a high floor, but his ceiling seems NQR, especially if he isn't played at safety.
 

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From my original post.

Ramsey would be a difficult decision for me because I believe he may be Darren Woodson for the next twelve years. Or better. He would be worth passing on a QB, but that is a toss up for me.

Troy Ailman was way more important than Woody during the glory years, QBs always are
 

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Troy Ailman was way more important than Woody during the glory years, QBs always are

Back then, and without similar cap restraints of today, they piggy backed two drafted quarterbacks. Not a top paid veteran with three huge years of contract still in effect.
 

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I'll take this kid over them all.....



AND won't pay a premium pick doing it..... Overall has the best zip & mind
71.9 completion %
388 completions
97 td vs 19int

Kid? This guy will be like 30 once he gets the chance to play. 6 years in college?
 
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