AdamJT13
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masomenos85;2082257 said:
In three playoff games, he has one interception and one forced fumble. That's 0.33 interceptions and 0.33 forced fumbles per game. Over a 16-game season, that's 5.33 interceptions and 5.33 forced fumbles, which would be a very good season for a safety.
And his career averages in the regular season are 0.20 interceptions and 0.11 forced fumbles per game, so they're not "below his career per game averages," either.
Roy has 10 takeaways in the past two seasons -- seven interceptions and three fumble recoveries. And his seven interceptions match his career high for any two-year period of his career.
Obviously.
Not only is that stat completely irrelevant, I have no idea where you're getting those numbers. According to the Cowboys' coaches, Roy had a higher percentage of solo tackles (as irrelevant as the stat might be) in 2007 than he had in 2006, 2003 or 2002. And according to NFL.com's unofficial tackle stats, he had a higher percentage in 2007 than he had in 2004 or 2003.
As far as the stat itself, which would you rather have from a player, 100 solo tackles and 10 assists or the same 100 solo tackles (on the same plays) and 30 assists (10 on the same plays as the first 10, plus 20 other plays)? The only difference is that in the latter case, the player was involved in 20 more plays. And that's somehow a bad thing?
No matter how many times it's reported, it still doesn't make it true.
Here's the play that is referenced in the last article --
2-8-BLT 12 (10:11) K.Boller pass to J.Lewis to BLT 15 for 3 yards (L.Carson, Ro.Williams).
It was Lewis' only catch of the game, so it's not possible that they could have been talking about some other 3-yard catch by Lewis in the first quarter.
On that play, Lewis caught a dumpoff pass in the flat, in front of Al Singleton. Leonardo Carson then tackled Lewis from behind, and Roy hit him from the front. Roy was never behind Lewis and never grabbed his collar or any other part of him. All he did was hit Lewis as Lewis was going down, then fall over the top of him.
The photo below shows Roy approaching Lewis as Carson begins to tackle Lewis (Carson is obscured in the photo, with his helmet next to Lewis' hip. Al Singleton is the player behind Carson, with his helmet seen above Lewis' shoulder.) ---v
The photo below shows Roy about to make contact with Lewis, who is starting to go down ---v
The photo below shows the contact. It's anything but a horse-collar. Also, notice that Carson is falling on Lewis' left ankle. (More on that later.) ---v
The photo below shows the moment after contact. Roy certainly didn't have ahold of Lewis' jersey --
And the photo below shows Roy tumbling over Lewis ---v
As they got up, Roy patted Lewis on the helmet, and Lewis trotted back toward the huddle.
One of the articles you quoted says Lewis was injured by Roy's horse-collar on that play. Obviously, there was no horse-collar on that play. Roy never horse-collared Lewis in that game. In fact, it's almost certain that wasn't even the play Lewis was hurt on.
After that play, the Ravens ran a third-down play, then punted. The first play of their next possession was this --
1-10-BLT 14 (6:32) J.Lewis left tackle to BLT 18 for 4 yards (G.Ellis).
After that play, Lewis got up limping. He limped to the sideline, then never returned to the game.
Here's a photo of Ellis making the tackle on Lewis. I've circled them so people can pick out which players they are. Notice Ellis with both feet off the ground (his hands are around Lewis' waist). ---v
The photo below shows Ellis falling on the back of Lewis' legs, with Lewis' right ankle getting trapped under Ellis --v
And here's Lewis going down, with Ellis on his legs (and his hands nowhere close to Lewis' collar) --v
After the play, as I said, Lewis limped off the field and never returned. This almost certainly was the play on which Lewis was injured.
Is it possible that Lewis was injured on the other play, when Carson fell on his ankle? It's very doubtful, given that Carson fell on Lewis' LEFT ankle, and Lewis' injury was to his RIGHT ankle --
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1929496
"Lewis hurt his right ankle in the first quarter of Sunday's 30-10 victory over the Dallas Cowboys and did not return."
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/25/sports/football/25football.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
"Baltimore Ravens running back Jamal Lewis, the National Football League's leading rusher last season, will miss Sunday's game against the New England Patriots because of a sprained right ankle. The injury occurred last Sunday during Baltimore's 30-10 victory over Dallas."
http://www.usatoday.com/community/utils/idmap/13034453.story
"Three weeks after his return, Lewis sprained his right ankle after getting only two carries in a Nov. 21 game against Dallas."
Which ankle was it again that Ellis fell on, on the same play that sent Lewis limping to the sideline?
And every indication is that he is working harder than ever, is "very excited" about the upcoming season and has done everything asked of him.
He never said his religion WAS the reason WHY he hasn't had as many big hits, he merely noted the that people say those two factors coincide (or even that they do). Besides, the meaning changes completely when you change the punctuation of those words (he obviously doesn't indicate punctuation when he's speaking), such as this -- "People will say Roy is really not making any big hits ever since I rededicated my life to God. OK, I haven't been making the big hits, but we got further than we ever did when I was living of the world."
At any rate, by saying "believe me, the hits will come," he clarifies that he definitely wasn't saying that his religion makes him not try to hit hard anymore.
One of those TDs against us came in a game when he had two catches for 8 yards, and another came in a game when he had two catches for 23. Neither of those qualifies as a "big game" by any stretch of the imagination.
Another TD came when he had five catches for 44 yards, which is a fairly mediocre game.
The other three TDs came in the only three good games Shockey has had against us in six years. One was a six-catch, 65-yard game. That's pretty good, but we won the game. It's a borderline "great game." Two of them unquestionably could be qualified as "big games," though -- 12 catches for 129 yards, and five catches for 129 yards.
But, let's take a closer look at those games. In his 12-129 game this year, Shockey had only four catches for 23 yards against Roy. He had eight for 106 when Roy wasn't covering him. And in the 5-129 game in 2005, he had a 63-yard catch against Scott Fujita. So even when Shockey has "big" games against us, it's more because he beats other players than because he beats Roy.
When Shockey hasn't scored against us, he has had one catch for 11 yards, three for 28, two for 20 and five for 41. Overall, his averages against us are 4.3 catches for 49.8 yards. Against every other team, it's 4.5 for 51.1 yards.
But hey, at least you attempted to prove some of the myths.
That's the kind of stuff I like seeing from you. Something backed with a ridiculous amount of information. And that's the problem I think a lot of people had with your list, you provided a list of myths and, even if they are myths, didn't do much of anything to prove them. Now people have said, it's been proven in the past. That's fine, provide links to it. It's the internet Adam, you can't just post things and have people take your word for it, the evidence has to be in front of them.
