The Roy Myth Thread

[Stash]

I think both sides are dancing around the real issue which can be summed up rather easily:

Are you happy with Roy Williams and his play?

Yes or No.

After you tear away all of the other nonsense, isn't that the heart of the argument?

 

[Bach]

It depends on who you ask, but I see folks stacked into mostly two camps:

It seems that that the creator is quite passionate about rebuking several blurbs that he viewed as injustices and his supporters are patting him on the back for it because they have shut up all of the Roy critics. When argued against, they point out that no one has debunked the "Roy Williams has ballooned up to 300 pounds myth". Sweet Victory, BABY!

It seems that the other group of people that are arguing view this list as mostly fodder, because it does not provide true evidence that refutes their stance that Roy has lost something in his game. They are pointing this out to the "Myth Police" and are even trying to debunk some of the myths just to shut them up because they simply cannot understand why they are claiming victory over said list. In return, they are told that no one has yet to refute any of the claims on the now legendary Myth List ("Sweet Victory, BABY!").

Since group number one feels that group number two is arguing against the myth list, they are retorting then claiming victory. However, Group 2 views this "victory" in the same light as watching a five year old sticking a lawndart in a cowturd and doing the hokie pokie because you did not have the foresite to do it first. Hence, they get more annoyed and keep arguing.

Then you have folks like me that see the true genius of the thread and the repetitive cycle that could play out for weeks, thereby providing me with additional entertainment. This is a great thread indeed!

 

[iceberg]

No, just a nod to the idiotic banter that has consumed this thread.

my bad then - that's twice i've jumped the gun on you latey.

time to rethink things. : )

 

[iceberg]

I can't take it anymore. I accept that Roy isn't as good as he used to be, and he probably never will be. I accept that because people wanted and saw Ronnie Lott and then got less than what they expected, they are going to be prone to hyperbole. I accept that such a stance will inspire a 500 post thread started by one of Cowboyszone favorite sons in which two sides are arguing about something - they seem to be arguing with each other, only they both half agree with each other - only this is a Roy thread, and so noone can let anything go.

He's an average player now. He used to be great, especially in comparison with the rest of the safeties in the NFL. But for the last 23 or so games of his career, he's just been OK. That makes some people a little crazier than usual because they already didn't like him, and now that he's not Ronnie Lott, they feel that they have a free pass to say whatever stupid exaggeration pops into their heads.

I guess it would be like if you were at a bar, and you took home this chick who you thought was Megan Fox, but then you wake up and it turns out that it's Megan Mullaly. It's not like she's absolutely awful, and she's got a nice personality, but you feel you were misled. And in your post-coitus shock-regret-phase, you rag on her to all your friends, telling her what a dog she is. In this case, all your buddies take a look at your dunlop belly and poorly trimmed nose hair, and come to the conclusion that you overachieved with the Megan you got, and she's probably dogging you to her friends as well. At this point, I think I've gone too far in my analogy, and so I'll just end it. The battering Rams gif probably said it better than I could anyhow.

this is as good a summation as possible near as i can tell.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

It's the 'if you're going to criticize players, criticize them fairly' v. the 'no thank you' crowd. It's a discussion about principle and the relative value of opinion. The lawn dart is just the gravy.

That's why I classed you in Group Number 1!

 

[iceberg]

That's why I classed you in Group Number 1!

can i be my own group? i wanna jump over the fence and stay close to both sides. that way, when one finally wins i can say i was there with them all along!!!

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

can i be my own group? i wanna jump over the fence and stay close to both sides. that way, when one finally wins i can say i was there with them all along!!!

You can join up with me in the Roy Williams Switzerland Group!

 

[iceberg]

You can join up with me in the Roy Williams Switzerland Group!

can i head up the norway division? or at least iceland? i like those places. it appeals to my nordic heritage.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

They all have hot blonds living there, so why not. Just be ready to jump on a band-wagon when the battle is turning decisive!

 

[iceberg]

They all have hot blonds living there, so why not. Just be ready to jump on a band-wagon when the battle is turning decisive!

i will unleash my own ragnarok upon them!

twice.

 

[superpunk]

I'd get in a tree fort with Idgit, Adam and Joe Rod any day.

Legends...

 

[masomenos]

Roy has clearly made big plays. In fact that's not a real weakness of his game. A 3 game subset is really hard to judge anyone by. But lets look at Darren Woodson for comparison's sake. Woody had 16 career playoff games. I was not able to find his specific playoff stats but his overall totals were 23 INTS and 12 forced fumbles in a 12 year career. This for a guy who was first team all-pro at least 3 times and 5 times a Pro Bowler. You're right, a three game subset is hard to judge anyone by, but we've only been in three playoff games so it's the only thing we can go off of. I don't think he should be compared to Woody though, he should be compared to his own play in the regular season. In the three playoff games he's been in, Roy has produced at a lower level than what his career average is at.

Not sure I got your point here but it looks from the numbers as if 2006 was his second most productive turnover year as a pro. Not sure how that correlates to any real drop off there. The 18 he had combined for his past two seasons is an average of 9 per year which is right at his career average of 9.2.

No no, in the past two years he has a combined 7 turnovers, not 18. He's had no forced fumbled over the past two seasons and had a total of 7 INTs. That's an average of 3.5 turnovers per season, a number below his career average. That's why it's a drop off.


Not sure why this number really matters at all. It is still an incredibly high number of solo tackle and an incredibly high percentage of solo tackles. This is the kind of stuff that drives Adam crazy because few safeties can amass 90 total tackles period. Especially ones who get taken off the field at times for coverage concerns. Furthermore the 73 solo tackles Roy made last year ties for the second highest of his career.


Those numbers don't really matter, lol. Like I said I just thought it would be interesting to include because the past two years have been his worst in terms of how many tackles he's making on his own. And again, we shouldn't be comparing Roy to all the other safeties in the league, we should be comparing him to his own career numbers. The combined total for the past two seasons is the worst in his career. It's only been these past two seasons (maybe three?) that people have been saying Roy can't tackle anymore so I thought it was interesting that there was a statistic involving tackles that dropped during that same time period.

 

[AsthmaField]

I guess it would be like if you were at a bar, and you took home this chick who you thought was Megan Fox, but then you wake up and it turns out that it's Megan Mullaly. It's not like she's absolutely awful, and she's got a nice personality, but you feel you were misled. And in your post-coitus shock-regret-phase, you rag on her to all your friends, telling her what a dog she is. In this case, all your buddies take a look at your dunlop belly and poorly trimmed nose hair, and come to the conclusion that you overachieved with the Megan you got, and she's probably dogging you to her friends as well. At this point, I think I've gone too far in my analogy, and so I'll just end it. The battering Rams gif probably said it better than I could anyhow.

:laugh2:

Wow! That has like, totally happened to me!

 

[AsthmaField]

i like those places. it appeals to my nordic heritage.

You're from India?

 

[Idgit]

I guess it would be like if you were at a bar, and you took home this chick who you thought was Megan Fox, but then you wake up and it turns out that it's Megan Mullaly. It's not like she's absolutely awful, and she's got a nice personality, but you feel you were misled. And in your post-coitus shock-regret-phase, you rag on her to all your friends, telling her what a dog she is. In this case, all your buddies take a look at your dunlop belly and poorly trimmed nose hair, and come to the conclusion that you overachieved with the Megan you got, and she's probably dogging you to her friends as well. At this point, I think I've gone too far in my analogy, and so I'll just end it. The battering Rams gif probably said it better than I could anyhow.

This exact thing happened to me. Only, instead of Megan Fox it was Michael J. Fox. When he realized what had happened, he was so mad he was shaking.

 

[dallasfaniac]

This exact thing happened to me. Only, instead of Megan Fox it was Michael J. Fox. When he realized what had happened, he was so mad he was shaking.

If only he could go back in time and change that incident.

 

[AsthmaField]

This exact thing happened to me. Only, instead of Megan Fox it was Michael J. Fox. When he realized what had happened, he was so mad he was shaking.

:laugh2:

Mine was a little more complicated than that, but it was along the lines of: I thought it was a fox but woke up and it was a dog...

 

[superpunk]

This exact thing happened to me. Only, instead of Megan Fox it was Michael J. Fox. When he realized what had happened, he was so mad he was shaking.

You win the "Poor Taste" award for this thread. It will be delivered via Terri Schiavo in approximately 32 years.

 

[iceberg]

You're from India?

only from the waist down.

 

[AsthmaField]

only from the waist down.

:laugh2: