The Roy Myth Thread

[Sarge]

so u try and call everything that u think is wrong a myth? and try to justify everything by stats? and disregaurd what we see, and analysts see during the game because the stat doesnt show it? ur too involved with these stats. just because jon kitna had a huge yr statwise doesnt mean he had a good yr.

u can throw all the stats u want, but great coaches will tell u stats are overrated and they go based on play on the field. an with ur own eyes u can see roy williams isnt very good.

In this particular instance - I agree. The stats simply aren't telling the story here. Only part of it. I know what I'm seeing when I watch RW play the last 2 years and what I see is a player making WAY too much money for his level of play.

Does he suck? Of course not.

Is he being paid too much money for his level of play?

Now there is an argument there, undoubtedly.

 

[WDN]

Someone is pulling a Nors type infatuation over Roy. I will leave it at that.

 

[DallasEast]

This is such a funny thread.

It's been over two days and not one single myth has been debunked. Wild.

 

[tomson75]

This is such a funny thread.

It's been over two days and not one single myth has been debunked. Wild.

Oh, but there have been plenty of "I'll leave it at thats", "bottom lines", and "the stats don't show what I've seen with my own eyes". Its comical how some people can't see how the excuse thread has been shown lacking while this one continues to stand strong.

People want Roy to suck, and will go to any length to prove their desires to be the truth, only to fail.

It's amazing that people refuse to see the grey area here. It's obvious.

 

[zrinkill]

Oh, but there have been plenty of "I'll leave it at thats", "bottom lines", and "the stats don't show what I've seen with my own eyes". Its comical how some people can't see how the excuse thread has been shown lacking while this one continues to stand strong.

People want Roy to suck, and will go to any length to prove their desires to be the truth, only to fail.

It's amazing that people refuse to see the grey area here. It's obvious.

 

[Bach]

People want Roy to suck, and will go to any length to prove their desires to be the truth, only to fail.

I doubt any Cowboys fan wants Roy to suck. That is a totally ******** comment to make.

What most rational people see though is a player that has become a liability and isn't as good as he was his first couple of seasons.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

This is such a funny thread.

It's been over two days and not one single myth has been debunked. Wild.

Not one. :laugh2:

 

[CATCH17]

If some of you havent noticed a decline in Roys game its probably because you weren't watching the Cowboys when we were bad.

Its that obvious.

He doesnt suck. But you cant tell me he is where you thought he would be at this point in his career.

 

[Doomsday101]

If some of you havent noticed a decline in Roys game its probably because you weren't watching the Cowboys when we were bad.

Its that obvious.

He doesnt suck. But you cant tell me he is where you thought he would be at this point in his career.

I agree that he has not been very intimidating in the secondary over the last 2 season. For whatever reason Roy does not seem as aggressive in coming up and making jaw dropping hits on WR as he has been. Not sure if all the fines and warning play a part in this but Roy needs to get back to his punishing ways. As mentioned in another tread, Roy will never be a ball hawking FS he is a hitter much like Cliff Harris when he was back there.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Interesting thread. I really don't have anything to add one way or the other. Just wanna say I love it when Adam gets a bee in his bonnet for lack of a better phrase. Can always count on it being a good thread for entertainment purposes.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

If some of you havent noticed a decline in Roys game its probably because you weren't watching the Cowboys when we were bad.

Its that obvious.

He doesnt suck. But you cant tell me he is where you thought he would be at this point in his career.

Out of total curiosity, where do you think he should be at this stage in his career?

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Interesting thread. I really don't have anything to add one way or the other. Just wanna say I love it when Adam gets a bee in his bonnet for lack of a better phrase. Can always count on it being a good thread for entertainment purposes.

Very interesting.

Roy Williams is what he is: An above average safety with weak man-on-man cover skills. I can live with that even at his salary. Heck, I'm not paying for it.

 

[CATCH17]

Out of total curiosity, where do you think he should be at this stage in his career?

From what I saw early from him in his career he should be getting mentioned right now with some of the best safeties ever to play.

 

[NinePointOh]

From what I saw early from him in his career he should be getting mentioned right now with some of the best safeties ever to play.

And darn, at the old age of 27, he's "just" a perennial Pro Bowler.

 

[CATCH17]

And darn, at the old age of 27, he's "just" a perennial Pro Bowler.

Being a pro bowler lost a lot of its credibility along time ago.

 

[WoodysGirl]

From what I saw early from him in his career he should be getting mentioned right now with some of the best safeties ever to play.

JMO, but I think it's hard for any player, not just Roy, to sustain that level of play for an extended period without adjustments.

I equate that to the high school phenom or the unknown CBA player coming into the NBA. They're setting the league on fire. On Sportscenter every night with the analysts and reports oohing and aahing at their every move. Then the scouts get tape of them. Break down their every move. Learn which move they like best. Which direction their most effective driving to the lane. And then they report that to the players who then do everything they can to take away what they're best at.

Right now, it's all about Roy making adjustments. The league is hip to everything in his gamebook and now it's up to him to make adjustments. That said, I doubt we'll ever see the Roy that excited everyone so much. The fresh and newness of him has worn off, so while he could do all the things that made him so great in people's eyes, the excitement won't be there and will be greeted by cyncism of the fans. Cuz it's no longer about Roy playing up to his potential. It's about him no longer living up to fan expectations.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

From what I saw early from him in his career he should be getting mentioned right now with some of the best safeties ever to play.

So the guy is a failure because he is not mentioned in the same breathe as Ronnie Lott?

A whole lot of guys fit that criteria.

I believe that Roy Williams' impact has declined, however proclaiming him a failure because he isn't considered among the greatest safeties to ever play at the ripe old age of 27 is a little extreme.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Being a pro bowler lost a lot of its credibility along time ago.

Agreed.

Funny, on one hand when Larry Allen was penciled in for his last Pro Bowl as a Cowboy and as a Raider, he was complete fraud, but when someone suggests Roy Williams was a beneficiary of this same system, many like Annie, go grab their guns.

 

[CATCH17]

So the guy is a failure because he is not mentioned in the same breathe as Ronnie Lott?
A whole lot of guys fit that criteria.

I believe that Roy Williams' impact has declined, however proclaiming him a failure because he isn't considered among the greatest safeties to ever play at the ripe old age of 27 is a little extreme.

No I didnt say that.

You asked me where I thought he would be at this point in his career.

I would settle for less. Just not what he is now.

He is better than that and we have invested a lot in him and shouldnt be getting what we're getting.

 

[Stash]

Then the scouts get tape of them. Break down their every move. Learn which move they like best. Which direction their most effective driving to the lane. And then they report that to the players who then do everything they can to take away what they're best at.

I very much agree with you here. Roy definitely has his strengths as well as his weaknesses. And during his years in the league, opposing coaches have expolited the things he's not as good at.

Right now, it's all about Roy making adjustments. The league is hip to everything in his gamebook and now it's up to him to make adjustments. That said, I doubt we'll ever see the Roy that excited everyone so much. The fresh and newness of him has worn off, so while he could do all the things that made him so great in people's eyes, the excitement won't be there and will be greeted by cyncism of the fans. Cuz it's no longer about Roy playing up to his potential. It's about him no longer living up to fan expectations.

I agree again that it's about him making some adjustments to his game.

But I don't know that I agree with him being unable to meet expectations. I think his number of impact plays has diminished over the past two seasons. I think he could turn that around while being more aware and sure of himself and his responsibilities in coverage.

That would certainly live up to my own expectations.