The running game thread

[khiladi]

he implemented the zone blocking scheme.... as part of the offensive philosophy and plan. he did what the head coach and OC had in mind. does he get credit for the play of the OL? yes. does he get credit for success of the offense. partially. it takes the whole village carrying out their role for the success. to lay the entire success on the zone scheme and one assistant coach, makes no sense at all. was he a good OC? no. was he a good head coach? no. was he a good OL coach. absolutely. as one of the players said, "he was an integral part of it". Integral, not all!

lets not forget the talent he also had available to him. as the article said, since you pointed to it " The year before Callahan was hired, Dallas was 18th in rushing and had a blocking front that included rookie seventh-round pick Bill Nagy, undrafted center Phil Costa and aging right guard Kyle Kosier"...compare that to martin, Fredrick and leary......

do you really think the cowboys rushing success last year would have been the same with a lesser talent?

This is like beating a dead horse..

So the talent on OL sucked because Callahan wasn't here to pick..

Garrett brought in Houck, the guy he coached under to run a power-blocking scheme and they drafted big, hefty guys accordingly. Garrett throughout his career played in a power-blocking scheme.

In fact, it's been mentioned multiple times in here that when Wade was here he wanted Solari, but Garrett went wth Houck, the guy he was also coaching with at Miami. Solar I was a zone blocking coach.

The philopshy changed when Callahan came here, not because of Garrett's direction.. In fact, it's already been beaten to death that the pick of Frederick was a Callahan pick.

 

[khiladi]

regardless. the Commanders were good rushing team prior to Callahan arriving. everyone is talking about Callahan making the Commanders into a rushing attack juggernaut in the 4th game of the season. last year was their worst year for obvious reasons....which also brings the other point, you need a good QB to run any scheme. weeden ain't cutting it.

Cousins was playing horrible last year and he is driving the bus this year. They don't have a Dez either. The RB is still performing well.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

This is like beating a dead horse..

So the talent on OL sucked because Callahan wasn't here to pick..

Garrett brought in Houck, the guy he coached under to run a power-blocking scheme and they drafted big, hefty guys accordingly. Garrett throughout his career played in a power-blocking scheme.

In fact, it's been mentioned multiple times in here that when Wade was here he wanted Solari, but Garrett went wth Houck, the guy he was also coaching with at Miami. Solar I was a zone blocking coach.

The philopshy changed when Callahan came here, not because of Garrett's direction.. In fact, it's already been beaten to death that the pick of Frederick was a Callahan pick.

so now you give credit to Callahan for picking the OL men and credit to him for the running game and the success of cowboys...I guess jerry jones is stupid for not realizing how great Callahan was and offer him a 50 million 2 year contract!!!!

and btw, please get with catch17 because according to him coaches have nothing to do with the draft picks. its all mcclay and the scouting staff.

unbelievable.

btw, who beat it to death about Callahan making those picks? you...its funny that garrett haters now quote each other and call it a beat to death!!!

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Cousins was playing horrible last year and he is driving the bus this year. They don't have a Dez either. The RB is still performing well.

and it still doesn't change the fact, they were top 5 rushing team in this league with essentially the same personnel. Callahan didn't make them into a rushing juggernaut. last year the Commanders were a total mess, from front office on down and it lead to a disaster.

 

[khiladi]

so now you give credit to Callahan for picking the OL men and credit to him for the running game and the success of cowboys...I guess jerry jones is stupid for not realizing how great Callahan was and offer him a 50 million 2 year contract!!!!

and btw, please get with catch17 because according to him coaches have nothing to do with the draft picks. its all mcclay and the scouting staff.

unbelievable.

btw, who beat it to death about Callahan making those picks? you...its funny that garrett haters now quote each other and call it a beat to death!!!

I do.. Dallas had Floyd in the board and Stephen Jones already admitted that their was a disconnect between coaches and the scouting.

Frederick was from Nebraska, where Callahan coached and he, himself worked out.

I mean how hard is it to admit facts.. Garrett brought in Houcj with a power-blocking scheme that relied on big men. That is what he played under and coaches under. They always drafted accordingly.

That all changed with Callahan. And the Commanders picked OL their first pick this year.. They also shifted a 2nd year player to guard..

It's called a track record of success with Callahan..

 

[khiladi]

1. and it still doesn't change the fact, they were top 5 rushing team in this league with essentially the same personnel. Callahan didn't make them into a rushing juggernaut. last year the Commanders were a total mess, from front office on down and it lead to a disaster.

They were not top five last year... And their OL was horrible and getting worse overall ever year.. They were 19th in yards and 21st in attempts, meaning they were not even a run-oriented team.. The offense is predicated on the run now, just like Dallas was last year..

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

They were not top five last year... And their OL was horrible and getting worse overall ever year.. They were 19th in yards and 21st in attempts, meaning they were not even a run-oriented team.. The offense is predicated on the run now, just like Dallas was last year..

you are pretty good in making stuff up and then claiming that its been beaten to death (by you).

facts are that the Commanders were a top 5 rushing team. three years agao they were #1. two years ago #5, but their passing game was much better, which indicates they were more willing to pass and felt more comfortable. last year they were bad offensively. passing. rushing. they had a lot of controversy with RG3, Cousins, and new coaches. but as usual you like to pick a single point in time and make your case. its like looking at the forest, picking one tree that's diseased and saying this forest is about to die. all of this in an attempt to prove that Callahan is the shiets and he is God and all of this to prove that garrett isn't good OC and that it was Callahan that made all the difference in dallas. is that you point?

son you got a lot to learn about football. and how a football team operates and works.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I do.. Dallas had Floyd in the board and Stephen Jones already admitted that their was a disconnect between coaches and the scouting.

Frederick was from Nebraska, where Callahan coached and he, himself worked out.

I mean how hard is it to admit facts.. Garrett brought in Houcj with a power-blocking scheme that relied on big men. That is what he played under and coaches under. They always drafted accordingly.

That all changed with Callahan. And the Commanders picked OL their first pick this year.. They also shifted a 2nd year player to guard..

It's called a track record of success with Callahan..

again, just because an OL coach is attending a players work out, it means nothing. all coaches work out players. its the norm in the NFL. so not sure how you are trying to connect Callahan working out an OL man, to Callahan targeted and hand picked Fredrick.

btw, Fredrick is not from Nebraska...he is from Wisconsin!!!!

and its not the first time that the Commanders have picked OL men in the first round. there is along history of them doing so. btw, the player they picked was to fill the RT position, but he wasn't good enough and was moved to the guard position.

no one denies that Callahan is a good OL coach. but you are trying to make it as if Callahan single handedly is responsible for offensive success of the cowboys and now the Commanders. and to that point, Garrett has had a direct hand in setting the philosophy of the cowboys and had added a lot of talent to the team over the past years.

did he do it by himself? no, there is not one coach. not even the superman genius billicheck who does it on his own. there is an entire organization within each team in coordination and collaboration with the coaches and head coach that work on adding talent to a team.

Callahan can influence, but by no means has the final say. btw. we drafted Fredrick after trading down from our spot. if cowboys really wanted Fredrick, they would have not traded and just picked him. and that's how the draft fell. lets not forget that garrett had been wanting for years to upgrade the center position...prior to Callahan. one of their targets in the draft was Max Unger....

again, you are focusing on a single point in time, a single even and making an entire history of it.

 

[khiladi]

again, just because an OL coach is attending a players work out, it means nothing. all coaches work out players. its the norm in the NFL. so not sure how you are trying to connect Callahan working out an OL man, to Callahan targeted and hand picked Fredrick.

btw, Fredrick is not from Nebraska...he is from Wisconsin!!!!

and its not the first time that the Commanders have picked OL men in the first round. there is along history of them doing so. btw, the player they picked was to fill the RT position, but he wasn't good enough and was moved to the guard position.

no one denies that Callahan is a good OL coach. but you are trying to make it as if Callahan single handedly is responsible for offensive success of the cowboys and now the Commanders. and to that point, Garrett has had a direct hand in setting the philosophy of the cowboys and had added a lot of talent to the team over the past years.

did he do it by himself? no, there is not one coach. not even the superman genius billicheck who does it on his own. there is an entire organization within each team in coordination and collaboration with the coaches and head coach that work on adding talent to a team.

Callahan can influence, but by no means has the final say. btw. we drafted Fredrick after trading down from our spot. if cowboys really wanted Fredrick, they would have not traded and just picked him. and that's how the draft fell. lets not forget that garrett had been wanting for years to upgrade the center position...prior to Callahan. one of their targets in the draft was Max Unger....

again, you are focusing on a single point in time, a single even and making an entire history of it.

Made a simple mistake..

Callahan coached at both Nebraska as HC and Wisconsin, the latter for four years. The point I was making it was his ties to Wisconsin, particularly as OL coach th got them Fredericj. And the HC at the time Callahan was coaching their OL and going to 3 Rose Bowls, praised him as instrumental in their turnaround and success.

And Dallas wanted Floyd, as I said. Stephen already admitted this, but Jerry overruled based on the last minute because of Marinelli. Dallas was targeting defense primarily the last three drafts, not building the OL. Even when they drafted Zach, Jerry already stated they had three defensive players ahead of him.

It was Callahan who lobbied for Frederik.

 

[khiladi]

you are pretty good in making stuff up and then claiming that its been beaten to death (by you).

facts are that the Commanders were a top 5 rushing team. three years agao they were #1. two years ago #5, but their passing game was much better, which indicates they were more willing to pass and felt more comfortable. last year they were bad offensively. passing. rushing. they had a lot of controversy with RG3, Cousins, and new coaches. but as usual you like to pick a single point in time and make your case. its like looking at the forest, picking one tree that's diseased and saying this forest is about to die. all of this in an attempt to prove that Callahan is the shiets and he is God and all of this to prove that garrett isn't good OC and that it was Callahan that made all the difference in dallas. is that you point?

son you got a lot to learn about football. and how a football team operates and works.

Do you have a hard time comprehending the point that Shanahan is also a great coach when it comes to coaching a run game?

He left, the Commanders run game collapsed, Callahan came and it's back, despite having Cousins and no Dez? And they were in disarray last year, not heading in a solid direction and their off-season was a soap opera.

And the Commanders sucked outside RG3s first year.

I can't believe I'm sitting here arguing with a guy whose trying to defend the Commanders incompetence at offense because he thinks he's actually making a point..

What part of Callahan instrumental coaching in an offense for the Jets with Mark Sanchez, the Raiders and Cowboys, and now the Commanders do you not understand about track record?

Where is Garrett's track record?

Again, Garrett ran primarily a power-blocking scheme with big lineman his whole career and with the Cowboys for FIVE years.

They picked and drafted accordingly. Garrett's first year as HC they got Mo Claiborne, a CB.. The next offseason they fired Rob Ryan, Garrett specifically stating they needed more TOs for the offense. The focus was on the defense. In fact, all we heard from the Garrett defenders was that it was the fault of the defense they lost.

Then they skated Sharif Floyd as the player they were going up get, because he was on the board. Stephen admitted this and essentially admitted the change was made in the draft room by Jerry at the last minute, per Marinelli. This actually reflected not direction, but lack of it. They then drafted Frederick. The next year Jerry admitted they had three players slotted ahead of Martin, all three defensive players. They were chosen before Dallas selected.

It's clear the direction was defense. And Dallas had to sign Hardy in the off season, because they couldn't get any pressure up front.

What are you even talking about?