The truth about Terrance Williams

[Yakuza Rich]

Problem with Williams is that he doesn't have a very big catch radius because of his catching technique. Dez has an enormous catch radius and can overpower, out-run and out-jump everybody. And then you have Beasley and Witten who are excellent at getting open underneath (that was one of sweetest routes you'll ever see on the Witten catch on 4th and 6). So, it's tough to make him an option when you have Dez and then Witten and Beasley underneath. I think if we didn't have Dez, Williams' production would go up quite a bit. But, we wouldn't be nearly as effective as an offense. He's a role player.




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[NoLuv4Jerry]

Problem with Williams is that he doesn't have a very big catch radius because of his catching technique. Dez has an enormous catch radius and can overpower, out-run and out-jump everybody. And then you have Beasley and Witten who are excellent at getting open underneath (that was one of sweetest routes you'll ever see on the Witten catch on 4th and 6). So, it's tough to make him an option when you have Dez and then Witten and Beasley underneath. I think if we didn't have Dez, Williams' production would go up quite a bit. But, we wouldn't be nearly as effective as an offense. He's a role player.




YR

Can you have a "role" player on the outside on the biggest stage? I guess you can...but that would just make the life of the coaches, Romo, OL and running game even harder! Just don't like seeing Romo have to hold the ball as much as he did yesterday and take the beating he took

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

The game winning TD he scored was more on the OL and Romo. A couple plays earlier in a one on one situation Terrance was the RIGHT read. And Romo gave him a chance. And the play required a NFL type throw and catch. It was in traffic. And the ball went RIGHT through Terrance hands. Tough catch? Not at THIS level. And NOT for playoff caliber teams. It is not a "nice to have". It is a MUST to reach your goals. And if Romo does not get protection and move around in the pocket....doing the 'Romo" thing...Terrance never gets that chance to catch the ball...and he was wide open by the way...and that is his strength. That is the point I am making.

TWill scored TWO TDs in the game...just something to remember...not bad for a 2nd WR.

Without those TDs..we don't win...truth.

Sometimes we have it better than people want to let on...sometimes the grass looks greener on the other side of the hill when really it is about the same and people just don't appreciate it as much as they should.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

The game winning TD he scored was more on the OL and Romo. A couple plays earlier in a one on one situation Terrance was the RIGHT read. And Romo gave him a chance. And the play required a NFL type throw and catch. It was in traffic. And the ball went RIGHT through Terrance hands. Tough catch? Not at THIS level. And NOT for playoff caliber teams. It is not a "nice to have". It is a MUST to reach your goals. And if Romo does not get protection and move around in the pocket....doing the 'Romo" thing...Terrance never gets that chance to catch the ball...and he was wide open by the way...and that is his strength. That is the point I am making.

Oh please. A team effort (oline did their job)where he saw his QB in trouble and got to a spot where he could hit him.


"If" ???

Really, "if" .... That's what you come up with because he only caught 2 of 3 TD passes?

Talk to Meatloaf...... "Cause 2 outta 3 ain't bad"

 

[SDCowboy]

He's a great fit for this team because he improvises well when Romo improvises.

 

[joseephuss]

Problem with Williams is that he doesn't have a very big catch radius because of his catching technique. Dez has an enormous catch radius and can overpower, out-run and out-jump everybody. And then you have Beasley and Witten who are excellent at getting open underneath (that was one of sweetest routes you'll ever see on the Witten catch on 4th and 6). So, it's tough to make him an option when you have Dez and then Witten and Beasley underneath. I think if we didn't have Dez, Williams' production would go up quite a bit. But, we wouldn't be nearly as effective as an offense. He's a role player.




YR

Aren't most #2 WRs in the league role players? Most teams don't have great #2 WRs on their team. Some teams don't even have legit #1 WRs on their team.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

TWill scored TWO TDs in the game...just something to remember...not bad for a 2nd WR.

Without those TDs..we don't win...truth.

Sometimes we have it better than people want to let on...sometimes the grass looks greener on the other side of the hill when really it is about the same and people just don't appreciate it as much as they should.

What's your point?










J/k

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Aren't most #2 WRs in the league role players? Most teams don't have great #2 WRs on their team. Some teams don't even have legit #1 WRs on their team.

But most of the teams do not make the playoffs or advance in the playoffs or play in the Super Bowl. I am talking about what we need to do on the cusp of competing for the big one. And we are NOT Seattle on defense. A team that has been trying for YEARS to get a #1 WR. Who trades their #1 WR midseason...and STILL is the best team in the NFC. That is how THAT team is built. And from the beginning I said "what is best for THIS team"

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Aren't most #2 WRs in the league role players? Most teams don't have great #2 WRs on their team. Some teams don't even have legit #1 WRs on their team.

I would tend to agree.

I think Williams is a quality role player.

Basically you're looking for a guy that presents some sort of matchup problem for the defense. Williams has really good speed and most #3 CB's can't defend him and he can present problems for good safeties in coverage.




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[GermanJohn]

Enough toys for the offense. More defense please

I think I'm too new to like things, but I just wanted to say I like this

 

[Deep_South]

Tony said at his press conference that Terrance was getting open by playing receiver like a QB, and it was highly complimentary, I thought.

 

[Risen Star]

I'd be all for trying to upgrade at WR. We should stockpile them like the Packers.

 

[iceberg]

But most of the teams do not make the playoffs or advance in the playoffs or play in the Super Bowl. I am talking about what we need to do on the cusp of competing for the big one. And we are NOT Seattle on defense. A team that has been trying for YEARS to get a #1 WR. Who trades their #1 WR midseason...and STILL is the best team in the NFC. That is how THAT team is built. And from the beginning I said "what is best for THIS team"

I'm sure you'll emotionally blow this off, but:
Seattle: would this be Baldwin that is their bad arse, or kearse? percy harvin all that?
green bay: nelson? yea, he's good. who's the other "steak" guy? cobb? quarless? starks?
new England: man alive they are chock full of #1 receivers! how the goodell let this happen?
buffalo: Watkins. then, um...
Denver. well Denver is one of the few who meet your criteria. congrats.
Baltimore has steve smith, good but getting on in years and torrey always on the rise smith.

so out of those handful of playoff teams, most still in the mix, I'd say your seattle infatuation is showing, to be honest. but no other team outside Denver is *set* at WR yet your claims of all "contenders" must having these players rings hollow.

and we'll see if seattle is an approach for long term success, or like many to most, a one hit wonder.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

I'm sure you'll emotionally blow this off, but:
Seattle: would this be Baldwin that is their bad arse, or kearse? percy harvin all that?
green bay: nelson? yea, he's good. who's the other "steak" guy? cobb? quarless? starks?
new England: man alive they are chock full of #1 receivers! how the goodell let this happen?
buffalo: Watkins. then, um...
Denver. well Denver is one of the few who meet your criteria. congrats.
Baltimore has steve smith, good but getting on in years and torrey always on the rise smith.

so out of those handful of playoff teams, most still in the mix, I'd say your seattle infatuation is showing, to be honest. but no other team outside Denver is *set* at WR yet your claims of all "contenders" must having these players rings hollow.

and we'll see if seattle is an approach for long term success, or like many to most, a one hit wonder.

I am NOT going to blow it off. We ALL want the same thing. I am just looking at what THIS team asks of Romo....and IT IS A LOT...and I am watching Romo stick and move...dodge and weave...and I LOVE the direction we are headed...and I realize Romo only has some many rabbits left in his hat....and I am just wondering if because of how THIS team is constructed...having somone more consistent will allow Romo to get rid of the ball quickly and take LESS of a beating as he enters the last stage of his career and approaches what appears to be his BEST chance over the next 2 to 3 years.

 

[khiladi]

Let me preface this by saying I appreciate the contributions of Terrance Williams. I am not "complaining"...I am making an observation and I said this BEFORE the season. I really wondered aloud if Terrance was ready to be a #2 on a team with a REAL chance to compete for a Super Bowl.

Terrance Williams is a guy who can do things in space. Terrance Williams is a guy who can make plays when he is OPEN! He is pretty good in "sand lot" and/or "broken" plays....much like the kid we had a couple of years ago who left via free agency to Jacksonville.

The problem with this is as follows: being NFL "open" and being "open" are 2 different things. And Romo is a legitimate NFL QB that can "throw" guys open. He can "lead" WRs. He can throw the ball where the WR is "supposed" to be...or throw it BEFORE a WR comes out his break. People really do not understand how much "harder" Romo's life is when you don't have disciplined and/or good route runners! This is not an offense that functions well with a freestyle passing game!

Romo is not like a lot of these young QBs that are coming out of the college spread offenses where they can only throw the ball when they see the WRs "numbers" Which is why a lot of these young QBs are struggling at this level.

Terrance is such a WR. Coming out of Baylor where RG3 was his QB....where there are multiple rumors that there were wasn't much of a playbook...and they played the fastbreak spread style offense.

With as much attention Dez gets....the guy on the other side of him should be feasting. And it really makes the life of Romo, the OL, the RB and the entire offense way too hard when Romo cannot on a consistent basis simply throw the ball to the ONE on ONE option. That throw in the first quarter...that either has to be caught by Terrance..or the defender would need to have to interfere with him to break it up. In the fourth quarter where we were down by the goaline...and Dez was probably being doubled/tripled.....the ball went right through Terrance hands. Why? Because Terrance is not really a guy who catches in traffic or does well in bang bang plays.

So since he is who we got....do we move forward believing that he can be a legitimate #2 on a Super Bowl team. Or do we realize that Romo has a few years left in him and we really need to see if you can get a veteran WR (Larry Fitzgerald type) to put the finishing touches on this offense.

Keep in mind...I know all of the stats and what this offense has done this year....yada....yada. I am talking about competing at the HIGHEST level....I am talking about more consistency and less "cardiac kids" football.

The problem with this argument is our second WR should always be feasting, but has never. It was the same with TO and so on. They started off quick, teams figured them out, but ultimately changes were made to bring in some new guy. First Crayton was replaced with Roy, than Miles came alone, and so on. Even the guy, I can't even remember his name now, who went to Jacksonville who essentially made plays 'in space' when 'things broke down' was a product of Romo. Our passing designs, with out second WRs playing on the outside, very rarely changing things up is a clear issue with this offense. Always has been.

 

[Danger]

TWill might only catch 3 or 4 balls a game, but it seems those few times he does get an opportunity, he scores TDs.

 

[iceberg]

I am NOT going to blow it off. We ALL want the same thing. I am just looking at what THIS team asks of Romo....and IT IS A LOT...and I am watching Romo stick and move...dodge and weave...and I LOVE the direction we are headed...and I realize Romo only has some many rabbits left in his hat....and I am just wondering if because of how THIS team is constructed...having somone more consistent will allow Romo to get rid of the ball quickly and take LESS of a beating as he enters the last stage of his career and approaches what appears to be his BEST chance over the next 2 to 3 years.

do you compare this to what we asked of romo in years past, or did you choose just not to freak out now?

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

The problem with this argument is our second WR should always be feasting, but has never. It was the same with TO and so on. They started off quick, teams figured them out, but ultimately changes were made to bring in some new guy. First Crayton was replaced with Roy, than Miles came alone, and so on. Even the guy, I can't even remember his name now, who went to Jacksonville who essentially made plays 'in space' when 'things broke down' was a product of Romo. Our passing designs, with out second WRs playing on the outside, very rarely changing things up is a clear issue with this offense. Always has been.

And we kinda sorta got away with it....but not really. All those 8-8 teams would have won 4 or 5 games without Romo's brilliance. Romo basically admitted in his presser last night that it was miraculous that this team was even in a win and your are in scenario on the last last game of the season the last few years. But we "fixed" that with putting more emphasis on the running game. And I am just wondering aloud if the job should be viewed as complete. Is this team comfortable knowing what Terrance is/isn't? Or does Romo need someone more reliable. I thought in the game yesterday we saw the good/bad Terrance. And of course I don't expect perfection. But consistency is NECESSARY....especially in the one and done nature of the NFL playoffs.

 

[Frozen700]

Let me preface this by saying I appreciate the contributions of Terrance Williams. I am not "complaining"...I am making an observation and I said this BEFORE the season. I really wondered aloud if Terrance was ready to be a #2 on a team with a REAL chance to compete for a Super Bowl.

Terrance Williams is a guy who can do things in space. Terrance Williams is a guy who can make plays when he is OPEN! He is pretty good in "sand lot" and/or "broken" plays....much like the kid we had a couple of years ago who left via free agency to Jacksonville.

The problem with this is as follows: being NFL "open" and being "open" are 2 different things. And Romo is a legitimate NFL QB that can "throw" guys open. He can "lead" WRs. He can throw the ball where the WR is "supposed" to be...or throw it BEFORE a WR comes out his break. People really do not understand how much "harder" Romo's life is when you don't have disciplined and/or good route runners! This is not an offense that functions well with a freestyle passing game!

Romo is not like a lot of these young QBs that are coming out of the college spread offenses where they can only throw the ball when they see the WRs "numbers" Which is why a lot of these young QBs are struggling at this level.

Terrance is such a WR. Coming out of Baylor where RG3 was his QB....where there are multiple rumors that there were wasn't much of a playbook...and they played the fastbreak spread style offense.

With as much attention Dez gets....the guy on the other side of him should be feasting. And it really makes the life of Romo, the OL, the RB and the entire offense way too hard when Romo cannot on a consistent basis simply throw the ball to the ONE on ONE option. That throw in the first quarter...that either has to be caught by Terrance..or the defender would need to have to interfere with him to break it up. In the fourth quarter where we were down by the goaline...and Dez was probably being doubled/tripled.....the ball went right through Terrance hands. Why? Because Terrance is not really a guy who catches in traffic or does well in bang bang plays.

So since he is who we got....do we move forward believing that he can be a legitimate #2 on a Super Bowl team. Or do we realize that Romo has a few years left in him and we really need to see if you can get a veteran WR (Larry Fitzgerald type) to put the finishing touches on this offense.

Keep in mind...I know all of the stats and what this offense has done this year....yada....yada. I am talking about competing at the HIGHEST level....I am talking about more consistency and less "cardiac kids" football.

Regardless of the plays Williams is making, I stand by what I said at the start of the season.

I don't like him as a number 2 WR. He still has a lot to work on. I'm happy he's making plays, but there are times he can't win 1 on 1 battles with tight coverage.

1. He does not fight for the ball enough with his hands. Which hurts us. You saw it on a few plays romo threw the ball up to williams with a defender on his ***. The defender didn't even play the ball that well. My Boy was watching and he was like "Wow he need to extend and go up and get it. Dez makes that play" He's a giants fan.

2. He needs to be butt *** naked open to usually make a play.

3. He makes most of his plays when the play breaks down, which is not a good thing.

4. He still barely uses his hands, and when he does it looks so awkward.

 

[Stash]

Regardless of the plays Williams is making, I stand by what I said at the start of the season.

I don't like him as a number 2 WR. He still has a lot to work on. I'm happy he's making plays, but there are times he can't win 1 on 1 battles with tight coverage.

1. He does not fight for the ball enough with his hands. Which hurts us. You saw it on a few plays romo threw the ball up to williams with a defender on his ***. The defender didn't even play the ball that well. My Boy was watching and he was like "Wow he need to extend and go up and get it. Dez makes that play" He's a giants fan.

2. He needs to be butt *** naked open to usually make a play.

3. He makes most of hi plays when the play breaks down, which is not a good thing.

4. He still barely uses his hands, and when he does it looks so awkward.

I think you summed up a lot of his shortcomings here. And I think they're legitimate criticisms.

But, in criticizing him, I'm not saying he's awful or that he should be replaced. I would just like to see this 2nd year receiver continue to work hard on perfecting his craft and eliminate what some of us see as glaring deficiencies.

It would greatly benefit both Williams and the team.