CFZ The two bad habits that are killing our chances to get better

[DandyDon52]

Let‘s face it- the Cowboys front office has two very bad habits:

• BAD HABIT #1. Over-valuing our own players.
  • Think about it. We have a whopping two wild card playoff wins with the “cornerstone” talent we’ve built with the best of our last 7 drafts. For years, our front office has looked at guys like Zeke, Dak, Cedee Lamb, Trevon Diggs, and several other players and thought, “We have to keep these guys because look at what we’ve accomplished with them.“
  • We haven’t accomplished that much with them.
  • I‘m not saying all of those guys should be traded or cut. But I am saying THEY AREN‘T ENOUGH.
• BAD HABIT #2. Not being dissatisfied enough with lack of playoff results. The Jones boys apparently are satisfied enough with what they've been getting because if they weren’t satisfied, they would be more aggressive to make changes.
  • If you really want to win a championship, you look at your team with a critical eye, not just assume all the guys you think are good just need another year to “get lucky”.
  • SJ has been saying lately ad nauseum that we are “just a click away”, just need “little more juice”. He and Jerry both act like they haven’t sniffed a championship in 27 years because of “bad luck”.

In my eyes there is only ONE player on this team who is untouchable- Micah Parsons. Literally everyone else is available if by moving them we could get better.

Over-valuing talent means you don’t have the critical eye to see beyond what you like about any player’s past performance. And if you truly want to win a championship, you have to stop thinking, “We’re really close, we just need to get lucky”.

The jones boys have bad vision. They dont see what we see lol, they see something entirely different.
Stephen just said they are 1 or 2 clicks behind KC lol, I dont know what a "click" is in his mind, but they are about 20 clicks behind KC.
I guess they see dak as 1 click behind mahomes ?
They still think Dak is great and a guy who can get them to this magical click level whereby they can win a SB.
They still think elliot is viable and worth 8 mil a year.
They think Lamb is maybe the best wr in the nfl etc etc, it justs goes on and on.

So it is what they see, and what they dont see that causes them to overpay guys, or keep them too long.
They are not real GM's, they are fans playing the part, and it shows.

They also like to patch things rather than build something, they are always patching things.
They are who they are with no oversight as they own the team lol, and no one wants to point out their flawed decisions or philosophy.
This is why they cant win in playoffs.

 

[Jason 82 Witten]

I didn't think Gallup warranted his current contract, add to it the injury. But he's one of ours....so.

I think Dallas always does that, there’s one player that has a couple good years and then sign him to an astronomical contract

 

[LysleE]

The two bad habits? Jerry and Stephen Jones.

 

[Bobhaze]

The jones boys have bad vision. They dont see what we see lol, they see something entirely different.
Stephen just said they are 1 or 2 clicks behind KC lol, I dont know what a "click" is in his mind, but they are about 20 clicks behind KC.
I guess they see dak as 1 click behind mahomes ?
They still think Dak is great and a guy who can get them to this magical click level whereby they can win a SB.
They still think elliot is viable and worth 8 mil a year.
They think Lamb is maybe the best wr in the nfl etc etc, it justs goes on and on.

So it is what they see, and what they dont see that causes them to overpay guys, or keep them too long.
They are not real GM's, they are fans playing the part, and it shows.

They also like to patch things rather than build something, they are always patching things.
They are who they are with no oversight as they own the team lol, and no one wants to point out their flawed decisions or philosophy.
This is why they cant win in playoffs.

“They also like to patch things rather than build something.” Absolute truth.

 

[blueblood70]

at those prices to have a top guy for each position would be 400 mil a year and I left kicker punter off, then there are the other guys.

digs is top guy in his and his agents mind one of the best,,. not all teams have top guy at each position so not sure what you mean by 400mil..

 

[kskboys]

The jones boys have bad vision. They dont see what we see lol, they see something entirely different.
Stephen just said they are 1 or 2 clicks behind KC lol, I dont know what a "click" is in his mind, but they are about 20 clicks behind KC.
I guess they see dak as 1 click behind mahomes ?
They still think Dak is great and a guy who can get them to this magical click level whereby they can win a SB.
They still think elliot is viable and worth 8 mil a year.
They think Lamb is maybe the best wr in the nfl etc etc, it justs goes on and on.

So it is what they see, and what they dont see that causes them to overpay guys, or keep them too long.
They are not real GM's, they are fans playing the part, and it shows.

They also like to patch things rather than build something, they are always patching things.
They are who they are with no oversight as they own the team lol, and no one wants to point out their flawed decisions or philosophy.
This is why they cant win in playoffs.

I would go w/ the 2nd part, it is more what they don't see than anything.

In 09, they didn't see the OL already falling apart down the stretch.

They never see the need for DT's. They don't see what the DT's we have lack. They just cannot see it.

They don't see that taller corners often lack mirroring ability.

They don't see the lack of physical traits in a player, especially lateral agility and burst.

 

[blueblood70]

Bullet, these guys can't wait for the season to end so 80% of them can spend time playing COD.

and many of you all never stop trying to play, "i know more" armchair Owner, GM, coach and player personal draft experts. opinions are like well you know, we all have them and some are tighter/high strung than others. you all like to mix up hindsight and feelings i the way our owners handle the cap and team and its ridiculous you think you know more than them. Newsflash; you don't!

might want to start go fund me gather 6billion and go try and buy the commanders (please change the name immediately), go show Jerry and Stephen how's it done, until then you all are playing Fantasy madden football and believe you have answers that a 100 + EXPERIENCED deep staff doesn't??

this is SM and forums lots of alleged experts making posts some have nice context but aits all hyperbole and rhetoric, more soap box and hindsight oppions.. its an easy fix if you've been that unhappy as fan base for 27-35 years, go troot foranther team...go pick the easy route bandwagon the flavor of the month, might be best for your long term health and well being..The jones family will own this team for generations barring some crazy tragedy.. its not going to change the way many hope, so why put yourselves thought this?

 

[jazzcat22]

I don't get this argument though, what are they supposed to do not keep anyone. If it's like that we should get new players soon as their rookie deals are over to avoid over paying for players. Nobody knows how these players will turn out. These players are getting what they get because of what the market dictates. No player is really going to say, I want what the guy at the bottom of my position pay level is what I want

I hear what you're saying you know I do but it's just hard to keep hearing this, and not holding on to players. There's some players you actually know you don't want to hold on to, tryston Hill, Connor Williams, guys you never even think about giving a new deal to. Kelvin Joseph for his inconsistent play and legal issues, hell no!

I don't think it means dumping them when the rookie contract is up, to avoid a large 2nd contract. More when they are nearing the end of their career type thing. And more toward the marginal player types that can be placed. It is like many are saying now with Zeke, large contract, lesser production. Or maybe with Tyron Smith. When other teams move on, they talk renegotiation. Not saying they should let. them go, just using them as an example.

Another player was Tyrone Crawford, they gave him a horrible contract then kept him way too long as well. More for players like this.

 

[blueblood70]

What seemed odd to me, and even out of character, was paying Schulz and Gallup and letting Cooper go.

Cooper was the clear difference maker. A legitimate #1 that demands double coverage.

Gallup and Schulz are not play making threats. And they certainly don't demand double coverage.

The usual Jerry move is to play for the highest upside, and you do that by keeping the stars and letting the second tier go. Except this time, they let the first tier go and kept the second tier for *more* money last year, with more guaranteed money to come, while Cooper had *no* guaranteed money left. It wasn't just more money, it was more *locked in* money.

because we GOT two maybe 3 players for the price of 1

who BTW was becoming our #2..yes they misread how fast Gallup would come back and counted on him to be the 2. that backfired a bit but NOT the trade of AC, 22mil for a player who in 21 was basically the 2rd target behind lamb and schultz?? that can not happen. Hes worth maybe 16mil ON OUR team, in that role and also wasn't practicing, took plays off over that foot and for sure berated his qb in public SM ..sorry he got chopped. Not denying his talent, saying at 22mil he was NO LONGER A FIT..gallup at 4 mil; and Schultz at 10, seriously, that's LESS then cooper and maybe they had 3 players on this 12win 2nd round roster using coops money, the depth carried this team through adversity,

had that late season money to add Peters, Hankins, and TY etc its called a hard cap, sorry that fans do not understand how that cap is managed and how sometimes its time to let player walk like Adams, hill, and AJ brown,. You all alleged Jerry does not and im saying Coopers time was up, like TO, maybe a year early but they saw his cap and his guaranteed bonus money coming up and made the move.

they should have brought in another #2 at better rate in hindsight because of Gallups not being 100% and the other wrs not being consistent, yes that's an oversight but the Coop trade I completely understand.

AC has never been an elite savior at wr for any team including ours, we went as far or farther with him then without him, not much changed, just like KC let soem superstars go and won a SB and sorry AC is not on Hill's level, not close. Those ELITE Wrs got traded for elite draft picks and got paid..in hills case he transformed that MIA offense for TUA.. even aj who i dont consider elite, changed Hurts and that eagles offense. AC has never truly changed a team who already had a starter at WR and came in and was just better MIA had waddle . eagles had smith and Goedert yest they still swooped in and changed the offense. dont bring up 18 and the trade because the offense had zero weapons at the time so he was a great additions but one we had developed Lamb and Schultz was playing well he became less a weapon here..

AC wasn't our leading wr and our 3rd target he never elevated an offense to another level..yes hes a 1 hes leguitate starter but he was not worth 22milk or good fit HERE!

 

[RD21]

The Jones boys refuse to look around the league, & emulate successful teams. SanFran led the league in Offense (rushing & passing), & they had a nasty defense. They went home empty because they ran out of QB's.

The Chefs have been consistently good for a few years now. They are balanced. They have a two headed offensive attack, led by a great QB. Their defense is solid, but not great in my opinion.

San Fran proves that luck does matter, & or, is at least a factor. They were a healthy QB away from a SB this year.

The Chiefs prove, consistency matters. You don't have to be the absolute best on either side of the ball. However, you do have to build a solid corps on both sides, & having an MVP QB helps tremendously. Does anybody doubt they'll be good for several more years..?

These are the front offices that the Jones boys should be paying attention to. We all know they'll continue to do what they do, & leave us just as frustrated this time next year......

 

[kskboys]

The Jones boys refuse to look around the league, & emulate successful teams. SanFran led the league in Offense (rushing & passing), & they had a nasty defense. They went home empty because they ran out of QB's.

The Chefs have been consistently good for a few years now. They are balanced. They have a two headed offensive attack, led by a great QB. Their defense is solid, but not great in my opinion.

San Fran proves that luck does matter, & or, is at least a factor. They were a healthy QB away from a SB this year.

The Chiefs prove, consistency matters. You don't have to be the absolute best on either side of the ball. However, you do have to build a solid corps on both sides, & having an MVP QB helps tremendously. Does anybody doubt they'll be good for several more years..?

These are the front offices that the Jones boys should be paying attention to. We all know they'll continue to do what they do, & leave us just as frustrated this time next year......

More like, they have no idea what they really need to emulate. They've been trying to emulate the 2 TE O for forever.

 

[kskboys]

Oh, and hey Roofy Dude, good to see you comin' around!!!!!!!!

 

[Coogiguy03]

I don't think it means dumping them when the rookie contract is up, to avoid a large 2nd contract. More when they are nearing the end of their career type thing. And more toward the marginal player types that can be placed. It is like many are saying now with Zeke, large contract, lesser production. Or maybe with Tyron Smith. When other teams move on, they talk renegotiation. Not saying they should let. them go, just using them as an example.

Another player was Tyrone Crawford, they gave him a horrible contract then kept him way too long as well. More for players like this.

I may get banned if I mention that words I want to say about how long they kept Crawford, didn't get the point of it at all

 

[Bobhaze]

The Jones boys refuse to look around the league, & emulate successful teams. SanFran led the league in Offense (rushing & passing), & they had a nasty defense. They went home empty because they ran out of QB's.

The Chefs have been consistently good for a few years now. They are balanced. They have a two headed offensive attack, led by a great QB. Their defense is solid, but not great in my opinion.

San Fran proves that luck does matter, & or, is at least a factor. They were a healthy QB away from a SB this year.

The Chiefs prove, consistency matters. You don't have to be the absolute best on either side of the ball. However, you do have to build a solid corps on both sides, & having an MVP QB helps tremendously. Does anybody doubt they'll be good for several more years..?

These are the front offices that the Jones boys should be paying attention to. We all know they'll continue to do what they do, & leave us just as frustrated this time next year......

There are several GMs across the league that could give the Jones boys a big lesson on how to manage the cap and load up their rosters.

When Stephen Jones says, “We can’t do that because we try really hard to keep our cap in order”, the great GMs like the chiefs Brett Veach, rams Les Snead, niners John Lynch, bucs Jason Licht, and filly’s Howie Roseman all say, “Hold my beer” and get aggressive. The rams and eagles have been to 4 SBs with 4 different QBs, each winning one.

Our FO is reactive more often than proactive. And they are obviously not bothered enough by not making even a conference championship to make necessary changes.

 

[Diehardblues]

There are several GMs across the league that could give the Jones boys a big lesson on how to manage the cap and load up their rosters.

When Stephen Jones says, “We can’t do that because we try really hard to keep our cap in order”, the great GMs like the chiefs Brett Veach, rams Les Snead, niners John Lynch, bucs Jason Licht, and filly’s Howie Roseman all say, “Hold my beer” and get aggressive. The rams and eagles have been to 4 SBs with 4 different QBs, each winning one.

Our FO is reactive more often than proactive. And they are obviously not bothered enough by not making even a conference championship to make necessary changes.

Well said.

Definitely reactive because we don’t anticipate problem areas.

That’s who we are. Basically only responding to public outcry.

 

[kskboys]

I may get banned if I mention that words I want to say about how long they kept Crawford, didn't get the point of it at all

They kept Crawford because they were inept at getting someone to replace him.

Crawford was a decent rotational type player who we grossly overpaid. Too bad, because he was a high effort guy and quite likeable. For a decent salary, he'd have been a nice player to have around.

One of his biggest issues is that we keep playing him out of position at DE because of our extreme ineptitude in filling the DE cofers.

 

[kskboys]

There are several GMs across the league that could give the Jones boys a big lesson on how to manage the cap and load up their rosters.

When Stephen Jones says, “We can’t do that because we try really hard to keep our cap in order”, the great GMs like the chiefs Brett Veach, rams Les Snead, niners John Lynch, bucs Jason Licht, and filly’s Howie Roseman all say, “Hold my beer” and get aggressive. The rams and eagles have been to 4 SBs with 4 different QBs, each winning one.

Our FO is reactive more often than proactive. And they are obviously not bothered enough by not making even a conference championship to make necessary changes.

Very well said, especially the reactive part.

They seriously did not even notice that our OL was aging and falling apart during the season, and completely disintegrated vs MINNY in the playoffs. Went w/ the same old dudes who couldn't play any more, and then to add on, they completely ignored the OL in the 10 draft, trading up for Dez instead. That's what beget us Costa the bump at C and an OL that led to Romo's early demise. Pretty sure that's around the time Jerry stated that you don't need a good OL if you have a mobile QB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Amazingly just stupid!!!! Lucky for us Romo got tired of it and refused to do the much needed contract extension to get Jerry under the cap, and only agreed to do that extension if Jerry agreed on a 1st round OL. That got us Fred.

I truly believe to this day that Jerry traded to the very end of the 1st round before taking a 1st round OL because that is not what he wanted to do, so he made the trade so he'd have a couple of 3rds to play with. I truly believe that's why. I mean, other than that, when was the last time Jerry made a wise trade down?

 

[Bullflop]

Two bad habits huh? I thought for sure Bob would say one was Jerry and the other, Stephen!

 

[dfense]

Elephant in the room. #4

Two teams in SB had two of the best QBs. Cowboys as a team can hang with anyone, but they don't have the QB.

Game on the line, 4 minutes left, final drive, 3 and out. That's what you got and it won't change any time soon.

 

[Coogiguy03]

They kept Crawford because they were inept at getting someone to replace him.

Crawford was a decent rotational type player who we grossly overpaid. Too bad, because he was a high effort guy and quite likeable. For a decent salary, he'd have been a nice player to have around.

One of his biggest issues is that we keep playing him out of position at DE because of our extreme ineptitude in filling the DE cofers.

Nothing more for me to say here!!