The Upgrade Everyone Was Ranting About

People are kind of avoiding the point of this thread for some reason.

Why would they, small sample size. Look at their career record/stats, Cassel is better, but does it really matter . Neither one can will in a crappy offensive system/game-plan. As Strum said "Unfortunately, Decoding Linehan is poorly named these days. Every defense in the league has done it with great ease". Without Romo to cover up for JG, we see what he produces and it sucks.
 
Special teams Tds given up with Weeden? Zero
Same with Cassel? One, The winning one.
 
Offensive Touchdowns Scored
Games 3-5: 6
Games 6&7: 2

Pct Drives Ending in TD's
Games 3-5: 20%
Games 6&7: 10.5%

Average Starting Field Position:
Games 3-5: 21.4
Games 6&7: 27.14

Pct Passing/Running plays
Games 3-5: 63.8%/36.2%
Games 6&7: 45%/55%

Average Yards Per Carry
Games 3-5: 2.4 Yards
Games 6&7: 3.8 Yards

Average Points Scored by Opponent Offense
Games 3-5: 25.4
Games 6&7: 13

Opponents combined current record:

Games 3-5: 17-6
Games 6&7: 8-8

Starting Quarterback's combined rating:
Games 3-5: 92.2
Games 6&7: 58.5

Average Points Produced by Offense Per Game:
Games 3-5: 16

Games 6&7: 16
Cassell was given every singe advantage over Weeden to produce including:

Better Running Game
Better Defense
Better starting position
Easier Opponents
Better Receivers

....And there was zero improvement from what Weeden produced with far, far less.

Weeden would have helped the Cowboys to win that game. It may not have been big plays, but it would have been efficient and effective.

Yes. Stats tell the whole story... :facepalm:

I'll say one thing... You guys are relentless. I guess we just want a QB carousel until Romo returns. Let's just chalk up 7 or 8 losses in a row why not? :huh:

Cassell barely knows the offense and will become comfortable enough running it to start winning some games. Stats aren't everything. They only tell half truths.

Give me a Brandon Weeden that has only been in our system for 4 weeks and I will show you and even bigger quarterbacking disaster than he has been.
 
I look at it like this...

If Cassell started the first few games that Weeden did and then was replaced by Weeden I wouldn't be calling for a change at QB. Since they both have been bad I don't see a reason to change. Going back and forth doesn't really make anything better since both guys are limited.

It's the coaches who need to design plays to the strength of the QB that is in the game.

We can argue over stats and if things would have been different with one over the other. But it's worthless because neither guy is a significant enough upgrade for it to matter.
 
Both suck. It was a matter of a placebo effect in making the switch, as Garrett very well could have lost the team by sticking with Weeden.
 
Yeah, that's fair.

Actually, most of it is inaccurate.

Weeden and Romo have almost exactly the same yardage per attempt this season, 7.0 yards and 7.2 yards respectively. The league average is 6.7 yards. Cassel has 4.0 yards.

When it comes to yards per catch Weeden has 10.4 yards, Romo 10.2 and Cassel 10.8. Glaring difference, right? All that "throwing down the field"?

Weeden was the starter for the Cleveland Browns Day #1 his rookie year in 2012. He was 5-15 as a starter. .The Browns were 4-8 the rest of the games those two seasons.

This is why stats tell you almost nothing. The stats say Weedman is the same as Romo.

Even the most uninitiated of this cadre of posters knows that is laughable. Something that might come from a fan of Extremeskins.

The answer is this. Jerry doesn't get that Romo is aging, like so many people here who continue with this folly of Romo has four or five good years left. Ignoring his body just cannot take the pounding like it could once.

Newsflash - break Romo, break the Cowboys.

That last year he had a perfect combination of running attack versus pass, which protected a suspect defense.

This year he was bitten by the injury bug with both Dez and Romo. This is a major deal.

Right after the completely foolish and astoundingly stupid idea of allowing a playmaker that balanced the offense walk away for a meathead, a guy who is susceptible to injury, and a host of other guys that should grace the practice squad.

This is Jones & Jones showing they are playing Madden on a grand scale and not making smart choices to ensure the team is what they stumbled on in 2014. Not offering a safety net for the best player on your team in case something happens. What they missed is.....

Balance.

All the other grousing is just that. THis is not stats. It is not who is better. It is an imbecile running this organization, along with his son, who doesn't seem to have fallen far from the oak tree. Making decisions, and still suggesting they were correct - see Stephen Jones comment yesterday he'd do the Murray thing all over again.

This is why this team STILL needs a football man at GM. Because all the clever decisions in the war room this year don't offset the people who write the checks deciding they understand the nuances of this game enough to run off a playmaker and think the team will be fine.

Now take your best shot, boys.
 
Average Yards Per Carry
Games 3-5: 2.4 Yards
Games 6&7: 3.8 Yards


Yup, Cassel is better and more feared by defenses. Thanks for this wonderful nugget of proof.

The rest of the junk you posted are all Jason Garrett stats.
 
Admitting they were wrong about Cassell and naming Weeden starter again is precisely the kind of bold move this staff will not make. :D
 
Yeah, that's fair.

Actually, most of it is inaccurate.

Weeden and Romo have almost exactly the same yardage per attempt this season, 7.0 yards and 7.2 yards respectively. The league average is 6.7 yards. Cassel has 4.0 yards.

When it comes to yards per catch Weeden has 10.4 yards, Romo 10.2 and Cassel 10.8. Glaring difference, right? All that "throwing down the field"?

Weeden was the starter for the Cleveland Browns Day #1 his rookie year in 2012. He was 5-15 as a starter. .The Browns were 4-8 the rest of the games those two seasons.

Troy Aikman was 3-17 in his first 20 starts. He had an 11 game losing streak.

Cassel didn't start a game until his 4th season and it was with a team that went undefeated during it's previous regular season. So yeah....real fair.

40 quarterbacks have thrown 50 or more passes this season. Tony Romo is ranked 20th in adjusted yards per catch. (pass yards + 20*(pass TD) - 45*(interceptions thrown))/(passing attempts). Weeden is ranked 21st. Cassel is dead last.

Weeden's QB rating is better than half the starters in this league, including Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Sam Bradford, Joe Flaco, and Peyton Manning. Cassel is dead last.

Saying that "Weeden sucks" contributes absolutely nothing to this conversation because it is an opinion based on nothing measurable or relevant to the circumstances.

Weeden could produced the same results as Cassel with little to no assistance from his team and against teams where two of the three were undefeated at the time.

If Weeden started the last two games with all the additional help that Cassel received in the way of a running game, defense, and Dez Bryant on the field, the Cowboys would be sitting at 4-3.

And one more thing.....Starting Cassel had all the markings of a Jerry Jones decision. Jason Garrett would never imply this, he is a team player but I just can;'t see the former QB making that type of decision.

My fault for actually taking you seriously until this post

I've got one word for you to look up in the dictionary: context
 
The stats show an interesting picture, but there are other factors that should be considered. Weeden had a long time, including two off-seasons and a massive amount of first team reps due to Romo's back situation to work with the first team offense. Through all of that, he could only show that he is a bad QB that cannot process beyond his second read. Other teams watch game film, so they know that.

The fact that Dallas put Matt Cassel in with only a few weeks work speaks volumes about how bad they thought Weeden was. Weeden is not an NFL quarterback and he will not get better, while Cassel had never even thrown to Dez Bryant until last Wednesday. Dallas has chosen to ride with a guy that is still getting used to players as opposed to a guy that knows them well and cannot get them the football. At least with Cassel the meter has the potential to move upward.
 
Heck Weeden may be better...but why use stats to prove points against a bunch of people who watched the games? Watching the games tells me a lot more than stats do. It is real convenient to compare stats of just a couple games to prove a point...to people who don't watch the game.
 
Heck Weeden may be better...but why use stats to prove points against a bunch of people who watched the games? Watching the games tells me a lot more than stats do. It is real convenient to compare stats of just a couple games to prove a point...to people who don't watch the game.

I am not convinced that most of the people here watch the games. :)
 
Why would they, small sample size. Look at their career record/stats, Cassel is better, but does it really matter . Neither one can will in a crappy offensive system/game-plan. As Strum said "Unfortunately, Decoding Linehan is poorly named these days. Every defense in the league has done it with great ease". Without Romo to cover up for JG, we see what he produces and it sucks.

Cassel is a WAY better QB than Weeden

Only people saying this are the usual Garrett homies and FO lap dogs

The fact is that the FO (led by Garrett I'm told :rolleyes:) made a HUGE mistake keeping Weeden as the back up QB thus off season

We would have won at least 1-2 of the last 5 games if Cassel or Fitzpatrick or even (gasp) Vick had been brought in in the off season gone through camp and had to start when romo went down

Weeden is a waste of a space but 1 tier above our talent evaluators who elected to keep him over other much better options
 
People are kind of avoiding the point of this thread for some reason.

A lot of people ranted and raved about how bad Weeden was, swearing Cassel would be better. I kept telling them, Cassel is a dink and dunk passer and if he tried to throw too much that players in other jerseys would be running the other way with the ball. Posting 2008 New England highlights and beer gut All 22 reviews. Now that they have been proven wrong, rather than just dealing with it, they double down on their wrongness. No need to call anyone out, they know who they are and they can't resist posting in this thread anyway to make excuses.
 
Holy Hell.

Is there really a thread where someone is trying to argue that Weeden is a competent QB?
 
FWIW, I caught Jaworski on Philly radio and he said that the Cowboys made a mistake benching Weeden for Cassel. But his stance wasn't based on the fact that Weeden is so much better but that Weeden has been in the system and it's tough to expect much from a QB who has only been around for 3-4 weeks.
 
Admitting they were wrong about Cassell and naming Weeden starter again is precisely the kind of bold move this staff will not make. :D

Bold can look really stupid, and I think there would be a lot of laughter over that move.
 

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