The very reason I can't sleep either - LaTunaNostra

[50cent]

Be my guest, but I have to go on record saying I don't think the team mentality is that of 'game quitters'.

I think Bill said 'some guys' or a 'few guys' (gotta check)..that doesn't make it a team trait.

You just opened up a whole new can of worms with this one. Ive seen many times when the leader of your team is a "Game Quitter" it trickles down throughout the team. Not saying that everyone falls trap to the symptoms, but many others seem to fall into the trap. I for one think that DBledoe, being an elected captain, was the main "Game Quitter". And when he threw one of his crippling INTs, it became the "here we go again" situation. Physically you don't quit, but mentally your telling yourself, "Drews going to throw another one". So, I won't label everyone as a "GQ", but with Drew in there, I think many fell into that category. Hopefully, Romo can cure this, because I did see signs that the team really believes in him. With Drew, it was a sense of urgency. With Romo, its a sense of he can get us over the hump.

Deep down, I think that when teams scored late in third or 4th against us, that they didn't have complete confidence that Drew could answer. So, some became "GQs". I don't feel this with Romo.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

ok Mr. 50cent

the Cowboys are game-quitters

well tell that to Roy Williams who lays people out, and whose hits serve as inspirational fodder for his teammates

tell that Jason Ferguson who takes on double-team blocks every play when he's out there, and doesn't allow many big gains up the middle

tell that to Tony Romo who didn't wilt after his 1st pass of the game was intercepted, who came out in the next series and beyond and was rallying his teammates and making plays

tell that to DeMarcus Ware who on most nights is fustrated by OTs who outweigh him by 50-60 pounds, sometimes beind double-teamed and being the focus of opponent's gameplans, but beside that fact, was playing like a wild man on Monday night

tell that to Jason Witten who once played a game w/ his mout wired shut

tell that to Keith Davis who is a special teams demon and ferocious hitter, despite his limitations in coverage, and who once was pacing the sidelines his rookie year screaming to be put in the game

tell that to TO, a fiery, emotional leader on the sidelines

tell that to Bradie James, the team captain

tell that to Andre Gurode who is a road-grader at C and who is playing very well this year

I bet you wouldn't dare, but it's easy to sit back and critique and question player's motives and heart, but go out there and do what these guys are doing, and as LTN just stated above me, BP has made similar comments about a group of players, but not his team as a whole, so to say that the Cowboys are a bunch of game-quitters just isn't true, it may be cases here and there, but judging by what opponent's think of us, we're one of the toughest squads to face

 

[50cent]

Go away Summer! Like yesterday. You've replied like 10 too many times to this thread. Give it up, people see what I'm talking about. You don't have too. Keep wearing your 90s colored Boys glass and hope the triplets come through the tunnel. Its not going to happen. This team has a problem when it plays quality/ physical teams and it shows. You don't have to like it but its true. We beat up on teams that aren't as good as us, but we are very below average vs those that are equal to us.
Hopefully Romo can take care of this. Its really a football thing, and you wouldn't understand. Go away.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

We beat up on teams that aren't as good as us, but we are very below average vs those that are equal to us.

despite playing below average, we were still very much in the Jag, Eagle and Giant losses, even made some plays late in those games to get back in it, only to screw up those shots to win them

that isn't a game-quitter, it's poor execution

 

[50cent]

11 Drew Bledsoe - GQ(Game Quitter)
9 Tony Romo - Tough
24 Marion Barber III - Tough
21 Julius Jones - Nice guy
28 Tyson Thompson Nice guy
14 Miles Austin ?
84 Patrick Crayton ?
83 Terry Glenn Tough
10 Skyler Green ?
17 Sam Hurd ?
81 Terrell Owens Tough
89 Tony Curtis ?
80 Anthony Fasano ?
86 Ryan Hannam Nice guy
82 Jason Witten Nice guy
52 Al Johnson - GQ
76 Flozell Adams - GQ
75 Marc Colombo - tough
69 Jason Fabini - Tough
63 Kyle Kosier - ?
77 Pat McQuistan - ?
65 Andre Gurode - Soft/ GQ
71 Cory Procter ?
62 Marco Rivera - GQ

99 Chris Canty - Nice guy
93 Kenyon Coleman sucks
92 Junior Glymph ?
97 Jason Hatcher Tough, know personally
91 L.P. Ladouceur who care
90 Jeremiah Ratliff - tough
96 Marcus Spears -soft
95 Jason Ferguson - nice guy
60 J'Vonne Parker- ?
50 Akin Ayodele -tough
57 Kevin Burnett -tough
54 Bobby Carpenter -?
98 Greg Ellis - nice guy
55 Ryan Fowler- ?
46 Oliver Hoyte ?
56 Bradie James tough
51 Al Singleton sucks
94 Demarcus Ware too nice of a guy
26 Aaron Glenn ?
42 Anthony Henry tough
33 Nathan Jones sucks
41 Terence Newman tough
35 Jacques Reeves ?
32 Marcus Coleman ?
29 Keith Davis tough
37 Abram Elam ?
25 Pat Watkins - scared to death
31 Roy Williams - almost a GQ


13 Mike Vanderjagt ?
1 Mat McBriar ?

Way too many nice/soft/GQs for my liking. And to many ? to be influenced by GQs like Bledsoe. They are young and may let some of our GQs that are important spots effect them. This worries me.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

82 Jason Witten Nice guy

Jason Witten once played a game w/ his mouth wired shut

 

[CATCH17]

If we dont turn the ball over in the Jags and Philly game and Bledsoe hits open receivers and then we are all of a sudden well coached, have players who wont quit, ect ect.

Our problems aren't guys attitudes. Its turnovers. End of story.

 

[50cent]

If we dont turn the ball over in the Jags and Philly game and Bledsoe hits open receivers and then we are all of a sudden well coached, have players who wont quit, ect ect.

Our problems aren't guys attitudes. Its turnovers. End of story.

As if a turnover doesn't affect the teams mental state. You can suck it up and fight or lay down. We laid down. Cyclone Hart style.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

11 Drew Bledsoe - GQ(Game Quitter)
9 Tony Romo - Tough
24 Marion Barber III - Tough
21 Julius Jones - Nice guy
28 Tyson Thompson Nice guy
14 Miles Austin ?
84 Patrick Crayton ?
83 Terry Glenn Tough
10 Skyler Green ?
17 Sam Hurd ?
81 Terrell Owens Tough
89 Tony Curtis ?
80 Anthony Fasano ?
86 Ryan Hannam Nice guy
82 Jason Witten Nice guy
52 Al Johnson - GQ
76 Flozell Adams - GQ
75 Marc Colombo - tough
69 Jason Fabini - Tough
63 Kyle Kosier - ?
77 Pat McQuistan - ?
65 Andre Gurode - Soft/ GQ
71 Cory Procter ?
62 Marco Rivera - GQ

99 Chris Canty - Nice guy
93 Kenyon Coleman sucks
92 Junior Glymph ?
97 Jason Hatcher Tough, know personally
91 L.P. Ladouceur who care
90 Jeremiah Ratliff - tough
96 Marcus Spears -soft
95 Jason Ferguson - nice guy
60 J'Vonne Parker- ?
50 Akin Ayodele -tough
57 Kevin Burnett -tough
54 Bobby Carpenter -?
98 Greg Ellis - nice guy
55 Ryan Fowler- ?
46 Oliver Hoyte ?
56 Bradie James tough
51 Al Singleton sucks
94 Demarcus Ware too nice of a guy
26 Aaron Glenn ?
42 Anthony Henry tough
33 Nathan Jones sucks
41 Terence Newman tough
35 Jacques Reeves ?
32 Marcus Coleman ?
29 Keith Davis tough
37 Abram Elam ?
25 Pat Watkins - scared to death
31 Roy Williams - almost a GQ


13 Mike Vanderjagt ?
1 Mat McBriar ?

Way too many nice/soft/GQs for my liking. And to many ? to be influenced by GQs like Bledsoe. They are young and may let some of our GQs that are important spots effect them. This worries me.

Fascinating.

But 50Cent, we (the fans) are simply not qualified to make these wholesale 'judgments'. We can only have opinions as you and I did on Owens.

Neither are the mediots qualified.

Only their opponents and coaches are.

 

[CATCH17]

As if a turnover doesn't affect the teams mental state. You can suck it up and fight or lay down. We laid down. Cyclone Hart style.

Disagree the only game we weren't in at the end of the game was the Giants.

I guess if Bledsoe doesn't throw that INT against Philly than we were all of a sudden mentally tough?


Your underestimating turnovers.

I dont care how big and bad or mean you are turnovers will humble anyone. ANYONE.

 

[Crown Royal]

This has to be one of the more bizarre threads ever to grace the front page.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Disagree the only game we weren't in at the end of the game was the Giants.

and if our inexperienced QB doesn't make those mistakes, or TO catches the ball on 4th and 2 before he looks to run upfield, the game could have had a huge swing in momentum for us

and that's what football is all about, momentum, turnovers deflate teams, esp. ones coming from behind, but coming from behind in the 1st place doesn't signify game-quitters, game-quitters would allow opposing teams to increase their lead w/o doing anything about it, which hasn't been the case for us at all these past 2 years, except for that St. Louis game, which I believe was a case of game-quitters, but it was obvious they quit before the game was even in progress, once they learned that they were automatically disqualified from the preseason

Kansas City said we were the toughest team to play last year, we have alot of tough guys on this team, the notion that the whole team is weak and soft is preposterous, but what do I know? I dont' have the innate ability to measure 48 player's hearts from my TV screen like the YMCA rec coach 50cent over here does

 

[tomson75]

50 Akin Ayodele -tough

The guy is a friggin model. I'm not buying the toughness on this one.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The guy is a friggin model. I'm not buying the toughness on this one.

but what about Tom Brady? he was on the cover GQ once

 

[50cent]

Fascinating.

But 50Cent, we (the fans) are simply not qualified to make these wholesale 'judgments'. We can only have opinions as you and I did on Owens.

Neither are the mediots qualified.

Only their opponents and coaches are.

La, thats what's funny. I know Im not the end all on this. This is just my opinion. Although some people get up in arms about what I think. I have no influence on the outcome of any game or roster move, but whe I think someone is soft/nice/GQ some go crazy.

 

[tomson75]

but what about Tom Brady? he was on the cover GQ once

Brady has moxie though. Moxie allows for certain discretions not acceptable in most cases.

Romo will soon grace the cover of that very magazine. Why, you ask? Romo has moxie, thats why...

 

[50cent]

Disagree the only game we weren't in at the end of the game was the Giants.

I guess if Bledsoe doesn't throw that INT against Philly than we were all of a sudden mentally tough?


Your underestimating turnovers.

I dont care how big and bad or mean you are turnovers will humble anyone. ANYONE.

No you underestimate turnovers. When BP feels we collapsed because the JAgs punched back, I don't think he just meant tackling us hard. I think he was talking about creating turnovers, making good catches, busting runs. Those thing are punches beside a hard tackle. Momentum plays are punching and throwing INts are punches by teams.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

but what about Tom Brady? he was on the cover GQ once

And Dhani Jones had that whole spread in GQ!

Hey 50cent, when you kept it a general discussion of the toughness trait...what it is, what it isn't, what Bill can do, etc..this thread was interesting. imo, (anyway).

But listing players and black and whiting them..essentially summing up their character with a check mark, yes or no...it's not (to use a wuss word) fair.

Let's watch tomorrow for signs of 'game quitting' and 'toughness' or lack thereof that we can at least use as talking points.

There are too many players on that list whose 'toughness' I would defend to the death...including Jones, but doing so would only obscure the point Bill made more.

I'm out on this thread, but I enjoyed it. And would like to see you comment on post #50 in this thread.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1123379&posted=1#post1123379

 

[kojak]

Quitting as opposed to being out coached is two diffrent things. it wasn't the fact that Hart just laid his gloves down and quit. Vito Antuofermo and his trainers were just better prepared. They let Hart use his aggressiveness to wear himself out and then went on to win the fight. IMO that was a case of one fighter being more prepared than the other.

 

[50cent]

Washington game last season at washington. GAME QUITTERS! Whether its penalties, Drooped balls, turnovers, blown assignment, dropping INts, missed tackles. This things are not punching back. So when a team scores and gets momentum we do the above and don't punch back. It has some to do with hard tackles, but alot more with making plays. We don't make plays when we need to. SOFT!