There is only ONE condition where trading J.Jones makes sense.

[Cochese]

Kind of forgot Carolina 2005, eh?

Oh my god, he broke 100 yards in a game in 2005? Who would have thought it.

 

[Cochese]

that's right, you judge him on the basis of his career up to that point, and last I checked, Julius still has another year to show his worth



that makes no sense whatsoever, but I'm not of that group, so I wouldn't know what you're talking about

Julius might have allready failed to prove his worth if the plethora of trade rumour articles are true.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Julius might have allready failed to prove his worth if the plethora of trade rumour articles are true.

they aren't true, and ''they'' all probably came from one source

 

[4lifecowboy]

I agree with except for the part Parcells wanted him to run that way. Parcells got after him early on about holding on to the ball but I have seen many former running backs of Parcells who seem to do just fine finding the hold and running to daylight including Barber. In my opinion this is on Jones he is getting the same holes that Barber get but is not getting the consistent production

See this where I disagree with most, because with my own eyes and ears I've heard Parcells compliment JJ on his "improved" ability to trust his blocking and follow the plays design and not break off and freestyle, while Barber still had to learn to do that. All I am saying is that giving up on JJ when he has flashed signs of greatness in the past, solely on last years performance makes little sense to me.
Let me also go on record as saying I believe Barber is a good back in his own right and can probably fill the starting role with no problem, but JJ has shown the ability to be a game breaker in the Dorsett mold IMO.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Jones may not be the best option at RB in the league, but he's the best we got. Remember, all you who want to give Barber 20-25 carries per game, he has never done that. He split time with Maroney in college.

 

[Cochese]

Jones may not be the best option at RB in the league, but he's the best we got. Remember, all you who want to give Barber 20-25 carries per game, he has never done that. He split time with Maroney in college.

MBIII averaged over 20 carries a game his last year while earning the majority of play time over a future first round pick.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

they aren't true, and ''they'' all probably came from one source

normally where there is smoke there is fire. But hey you do whatever you have to to delude yourself into thinking Jones is ever going to get 1400 yards.

 

[Knauftd]

I have always been a Julius supporter, despite some apparent vision problems this past season, and I'll tell you why.

People that say Juice couldn't gain 1400 yards in a season are foolish. He would have easily passed that mark last year had Barber not been given half the carries during the last part of the season.

Another thing people don't seem to understand is this: Many of the second half and nearly all the fourth quarter carries were given to Barber. Barber certainly did a fantastic job exploiting the defense late in games, but Julius probably would have had similar results.

Here's an example. Did Emmitt Smith get his usual 100 yards by picking up 50 in the first half and 50 in the second? No. most of the time, as it is with most backs, Smith gained a large portion of his yardage in the fourth quarter, often running out the clock against a tired defense.

If JJ gets the majority of the second half carries then he could easily hit the 1400 or 1500 mark. Obviously durability is still a big issue with Juice, but that's the only thing would prevent from putting up elite rb numbers.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I have always been a Julius supporter, despite some apparent vision problems this past season, and I'll tell you why.

People that say Juice couldn't gain 1400 yards in a season are foolish. He would have easily passed that mark last year had Barber not been given half the carries during the last part of the season.

Another thing people don't seem to understand is this: Many of the second half and nearly all the fourth quarter carries were given to Barber. Barber certainly did a fantastic job exploiting the defense late in games, but Julius probably would have had similar results.

Here's an example. Did Emmitt Smith get his usual 100 yards by picking up 50 in the first half and 50 in the second? No. most of the time, as it is with most backs, Smith gained a large portion of his yardage in the fourth quarter, often running out the clock against a tired defense.

If JJ gets the majority of the second half carries then he could easily hit the 1400 or 1500 mark. Obviously durability is still a big issue with Juice, but that's the only thing would prevent from putting up elite rb numbers.

This ha sbeen gone over 150 times now. Jones carries after 150 last season went for 3.7 yards. His carries after his 14th in a game went for 3.5 yards. He has missed 12 games so far in his career. But hey despite all this he would miraculously not get hurt or not suck with that many carries.

Id personally rather have a successful running attack than have to give jones 400 carries to meet his mark.

 

[Knauftd]

I don't neccessarily think Jones should get more carries, but I do think giving him some of Barber's carries in the fourth quarter would only help his ypc and his overall yardage. Perhaps Barber should spare Jones more earlier in the game in order for Jones to use his "home run ability", which apparently is the only reason he is starting, in the fourth qtr. Well, heck, with those holes Barber was running through late in games, wouldn't it make more sense to let JJ use his burst to bust a long one? Again, I will state that the fourth quarter is a major source of yardage for running backs, particularly for those that play on good teams. Emmitt would have averaged less than 4.0 ypc too if he only got to run in the first half.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't neccessarily think Jones should get more carries, but I do think giving him some of Barber's carries in the fourth quarter would only help his ypc and his overall yardage. Perhaps Barber should spare Jones more earlier in the game in order for Jones to use his "home run ability", which apparently is the only reason he is starting, in the fourth qtr. Well, heck, with those holes Barber was running through late in games, wouldn't it make more sense to let JJ use his burst to bust a long one? Again, I will state that the fourth quarter is a major source of yardage for running backs, particularly for those that play on good teams. Emmitt would have averaged less than 4.0 ypc too if he only got to run in the first half.

The carries he did get in the 4th quarter were terrible to his YPC in the 4th was well below 4 as well but i dont have the splits in front of me atm, but i do remember he was especially bad at the end of halves.

Now in Jones defense i aslo remember that when he had a good game YPC wise we won ALOT. Thats why i think you give him 10 or so carries a game and hell get us at least 750 yards at 4.5 YPC or better.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

This whole J.Jones argument is idiotic. Those who can take or leave him prefer Dallas trades him to hopefully -- Hopefully? -- draft someone better. And thos who like him will defend keeping him at all -- All? -- costs.

Me personally, I like the player, but I'm not "in love" with him at RB, because his position can be upgraded; that's because J.Jones has yet to prove he's more than a journeyman - for real! But he's not bad, and we do need a 1-2 punch at RB, as Barber -whom I like also - has flaws that the 1-2 punch can mask.

For me Barber is more valuable because of the power running style he can bring to short yardage and goal-line situations. And I prefer him to J.Jones because Barber, although he is slower overall, he hits the hole faster and harder.

But Barber still needs that "other" RB to support and complement his game. And right now, J.Jones fits the bill. So, I would only trade J.Jones (in a heartbeat) under this one condition: and that is if I know that I can upgrade his position with a better RB, either in the draft or free agency

I would not just trade J.Jones for a pick in the hopes that I can draft another RB just as good. It better be stronger than blind hope! So if I'm Dallas and I have another RB in my sights that I prefer - either in the draft or free agency - that I can get if I trade J.Jones, well then, and only then, would I trade J.Jones for the player. I would even be for the trade if Dallas can land a comparable free agent RB, and use the pick they get for J.Jones on a better-level player at another position.

Hey, this is not about loving or hating J.Jones; it's just business, so long as it's smart business – and J.Jones isn’t that good that trading him can’t be smart business!

So the question then becomes: waht players -dtraft or free agency - are out there that Dallas can realistically land by trading J.Jones and, in turn, manage to upgrade the position by? This is what we should be debating.

**

Thanks for using bold and underline for the important parts. That helped a lot.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

normally where there is smoke there is fire. But hey you do whatever you have to to delude yourself into thinking Jones is ever going to get 1400 yards.

no, normally what the media says is bullcrap

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The carries he did get in the 4th quarter were terrible to his YPC in the 4th was well below 4 as well but i dont have the splits in front of me atm, but i do remember he was especially bad at the end of halves.

Now in Jones defense i aslo remember that when he had a good game YPC wise we won ALOT. Thats why i think you give him 10 or so carries a game and hell get us at least 750 yards at 4.5 YPC or better.

he also rushed for 122 yards and averaged 5.1 ypc against the Seahawks in the divisional round

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

no, normally what the media says is bullcrap

Oh okay..... Whatever man you just are going to believe whatever you want to blelieve. Several media outlets from several media markets are giving specific references that were willing to listen to offers on Julius.

i suppose the existence of the tooth fairy and santa claus are still on your agenda too. Or wait its a conspiracy by Rupert Murdoch to discredit Julius.

he also rushed for 122 yards and averaged 5.1 ypc against the Seahawks in the divisional round

Which those stats take into consideration. Just think about how bad it would be if i took those carries out of the equation. That should tell you that in the other games he wasnt just bad, he was absolutely putrid.

i would aslo contend that his late season surge was facilitated by limiting his carries. He sucked for about 7 games i n a row and had few carries. He has a role just not as a starter.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Oh okay..... Whatever man you just are going to believe whatever you want to blelieve. Several media outlets from several media markets are giving specific references that were willing to listen to offers on Julius.

i suppose the existence of the tooth fairy and santa claus are still on your agenda too. Or wait its a conspiracy by Rupert Murdoch to discredit Julius.

dude, the freakin' Philadelphia Inquirer mentioned Julius might get traded, sorry, the media is the last place I would look to for rumors

well unless they were telling me what I wanted to hear

 

[ZeroClub]

So, I would only trade J.Jones (in a heartbeat) under this one condition: and that is if I know that I can upgrade his position with a better RB, either in the draft or free agency

Well, the problem is that one never knows for sure.

You do your best to evaluate the talent and then you take your chances.

It is all about taking calculated risks and hoping, over time, that you are right a good bit more often than you are wrong.

But sometimes you are going to be wrong. It just goes with the territory.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

dude, the freakin' Philadelphia Inquirer mentioned Julius might get traded, sorry, the media is the last place I would look to for rumors

well unless they were telling me what I wanted to hear

Go to the Daily Zone and start reading chat transcripts and everything else. JJT and another guy both say the same thing and they dont cite the Enq. But again go and stick your head in the sand.

Your acting like a little child in all of this Bob. So now you just arent going to listen to any media outlet because it isnt what you want. how old are you anyway?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Go to the Daily Zone and start reading chat transcripts and everything else. JJT and another guy both say the same thing and they dont cite the Enq. But again go and stick your head in the sand.

Your acting like a little child in all of this Bob. So now you just arent going to listen to any media outlet because it isnt what you want. how old are you anyway?

I never take what the media says as fact, why start now?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I never listened to any media outlet before, why start now?

Of course you dont.