They cannot make the Lamb mistake again

[1LoyalCowboyFan]

BPA all the way

 

[Jipper]

BPA all the way

yes but if there is a guy there that is in the vicinity of your bpa and at a position of need you have to consider in the case that you are overloaded at a position like wr....in lambs case he was 6th on our board so it was just too much value to pass up.

 

[waving monkey]

Yes, it was a mistake because it was all for flash and splash while bobbing around on the ocean, it was a pick for applause. It was all luxury for a team deep in needs.

The case some make is the value of Lamb at 17. Was he not a value at 16, 15, 14, 13? Why did those GM's pass on him? Because they're GM's with their jobs on the line to improve the team, not take a bow for a draft pick.

Another case is what D player was worth that pick? Chaisson? The answer is any D player that could help the worst D in the league and worst in Cowboys history. He didn't have to be a world beater, just a player they could count on to be 1 of the 11.

1 of 11. How many do they have now? If they'd used that on a D player, might they be closer than they are now? And what if he doesn't work out? Then they'd know and keep going back to the well.

I saw all of the celebrating here when they took Lamb and few asking why was he available? Partly because most GM's were trying to fill needs and partly because they didn't have him at 6th on their board.

He was the Cowboys first pick and led them in drops and was 2nd in the league in drops but his fans here will make excuses for him. And WR is the most plentiful position in the league.

This draft should be the easiest for the Cowboys, if they go D as they should have last year. Their needs are plenty and the only position they don't need with that first pick is DE.

The Lamb pick was a mistake and I had 0 doubt about that then or now. However, my greatest doubt about this team remains the same, they're just not good at talent evaluation and compound that by doubling down on some of their selections because they look at it from an ego standpoint. If it is mine, it must be good.

Lamb? No thank you, give me the beef!

900 yards his rookie season [wasted]?

 

[dallasdave]

I think that Lamb was a great pick. When a Hall of Fame quality talent falls into your lap you take them, regardless of position. Think Randy Moss and the opportunity cost of passing up on him. Then imagine Lamb in an Eagles uniform for 15 years.

Well said indeed SIr ---------------Lamb was a rookie and a great one at that. I would take Lamb everytime and anytime.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I am so confused because you keep saying we should've went defense when I very next pick addressed our biggest need for the simple fact we had just lost Byron Jones in FA. Diggs not only was a stud but arguably one the best value picks of the draft. Cee Dee will be a staple in Dallas' offense for years to come who exactly was on the board that lit it up on defense that was worthy of taking ahead of CDee? Because I can assure you of this if he had went to Philly you would've been right here today still complaining because he would've lit it up and us taking him where we drafted him didn't prevent our entire offensive line from crumbling in a span of 3 months. I think seeing just how bad Nolan's defense was has jaded some to thinking Cee Dee was the problem but I hardly think so.

No, I wouldn't have complained Dallas didn't take Cee Dee, if he had fallen to the Eagles or such, besides you have no idea what I would have done....

 

[LACowboysFan1]

BPA all the way

Yeah just like the Lions in 2003-2005, that worked out great for them, right?

Just have to love all the 20-20 hindsight on this site, (not saying you did that) Cee Dee worked out good so it's "See it was the right choice because he got 900 yards". But the Cowboys would have won the division by winning one of the WFT games, who's to say a defensive draftee wouldn't have made a play or two that caused a WFT loss in one of the two games? Or helped win 2 other games, giving Dallas an 8-8 record, beating Washington's 7-9?

Yes Cee Dee did very well, looks like he could be a great receiver once he has some more experience and more stable quarterbacking. Based on this season, it was a great pick. Andi I'm glad we have him.

But there's no way to tell if a defensive player wouldn't have benefitted the team more, or not, since one wasn't taken at 17. Can't go back in time and re-do the draft and the season...

 

[jaythecowboy]

yes but if there is a guy there that is in the vicinity of your bpa and at a position of need you have to consider in the case that you are overloaded at a position like wr....in lambs case he was 6th on our board so it was just too much value to pass up.

I still would lean bpa (especially in the first 2 rounds). If there was another receiver that was head and shoulders better than the other prospects I would make the pick and then immediately get on the phone and try to move Cooper or Gallup for picks or defensive players.

 

[kevm3]

Some of those wins would have been Ls without Ceedee. What defensive player that was still available has made some significant impact for their team? Cowboys fans would have been livid and rightfully so if we drafted Chaisson, he had one sack, and CeeDee was on the eagles tearing it up. We can use free agency to fill in the holes. The real problem is how bad we are at free agency. We signed like 10 guys and the only one I can remember sticking around is Aldon Smith, and even he faded in the latter half of the season.

 

[Miller]

Yeah just like the Lions in 2003-2005, that worked out great for them, right?

Just have to love all the 20-20 hindsight on this site, (not saying you did that) Cee Dee worked out good so it's "See it was the right choice because he got 900 yards". But the Cowboys would have won the division by winning one of the WFT games, who's to say a defensive draftee wouldn't have made a play or two that caused a WFT loss in one of the two games? Or helped win 2 other games, giving Dallas an 8-8 record, beating Washington's 7-9?

Yes Cee Dee did very well, looks like he could be a great receiver once he has some more experience and more stable quarterbacking. Based on this season, it was a great pick. Andi I'm glad we have him.

But there's no way to tell if a defensive player wouldn't have benefitted the team more, or not, since one wasn't taken at 17. Can't go back in time and re-do the draft and the season...

But we also have hindsight that when we have taken D players lower in the draft lately that it hasn’t worked out...Taco and LVE(except as rookie). Two 1st rounders where one is gone snd the other has basically been gone. Overall, at this time Lamb was a great pick. A D reach at 17 wasn’t fixing ALL the holes we had.

 

[CouchCoach]

It was no doubt the right pick. In the 1st round you always go for BPA.

According to where he was on the boards, quite a few teams passed him by for a needs player.

I do not believe in BPA unless you are a stacked team with returning starters like KC was. They kept the most players on a defending champion since FA came into being. If they'd lost Jones, Hill or Kelce, think they stand pat and take a RB?

 

[blueblood70]

BPA all the way

BPA on defense when you have tie between say anon need and big need you take the defense this year..we can Not pick an OL or , WR, RB, or TE ., or QB etc etc

you get that right?

BPA yes but unless its generational cant miss player that ridiculously better then the NEED pick you take the NEED BPA on DEFENSE

Last year no defender was even close when lamb fell into our laps and Chiasson at DE wasn't even a true need..

it was the right pick

round 1-3 should be defense unless its a crazy differential..

 

[waving monkey]

Yeah just like the Lions in 2003-2005, that worked out great for them, right?

Just have to love all the 20-20 hindsight on this site, (not saying you did that) Cee Dee worked out good so it's "See it was the right choice because he got 900 yards". But the Cowboys would have won the division by winning one of the WFT games, who's to say a defensive draftee wouldn't have made a play or two that caused a WFT loss in one of the two games? Or helped win 2 other games, giving Dallas an 8-8 record, beating Washington's 7-9?

Yes Cee Dee did very well, looks like he could be a great receiver once he has some more experience and more stable quarterbacking. Based on this season, it was a great pick. Andi I'm glad we have him.

But there's no way to tell if a defensive player wouldn't have benefitted the team more, or not, since one wasn't taken at 17. Can't go back in time and re-do the draft and the season...

the first round mantra is BPA not [no telling what a defensive player could have done]. the 2nd and 3rd picks were Diggs and Gallimore future starters

 

[Rockport]

According to where he was on the boards, quite a few teams passed him by for a needs player.

I do not believe in BPA unless you are a stacked team with returning starters like KC was. They kept the most players on a defending champion since FA came into being. If they'd lost Jones, Hill or Kelce, think they stand pat and take a RB?

I believe in BPA in at least the 1st round.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I still would lean bpa (especially in the first 2 rounds). If there was another receiver that was head and shoulders better than the other prospects I would make the pick and then immediately get on the phone and try to move Cooper or Gallup for picks or defensive players.

So you'd get rid of a proven, established receiver and replace him with one who has only potential? You start with 2 receivers and end up with 2 receivers, that's not doing anything but changing one name on the roster...

 

[jaythecowboy]

So you'd get rid of a proven, established receiver and replace him with one who has only potential? You start with 2 receivers and end up with 2 receivers, that's not doing anything but changing one name on the roster...

You also have five years of cheap salary vs Amari who is getting $20 million already or Gallup who likely will close to $20 million on the open market. And getting better at defense.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

You also have five years of cheap salary vs Amari who is getting $20 million already or Gallup who likely will close to $20 million on the open market. And getting better at defense.

Still only have 2 good receivers, one of which hasn't got experience in the NFL, rather than 2 good receivers with experience.

 

[jaythecowboy]

Still only have 2 good receivers, one of which hasn't got experience in the NFL, rather than 2 good receivers with experience.

But the team overall improved because you brought in a quality experienced defender and added cap space with little to no drop-off at offense.

 

[TheBigEasy]

I guess this is wrong thread then to mention my ideal pick in the first round would be Devonta Smith? It may take years to improve that defense so you might as well start focusing on outscoring the opponent!

 

[CouchCoach]

I guess this is wrong thread then to mention my ideal pick in the first round would be Devonta Smith? It may take years to improve that defense so you might as well start focusing on outscoring the opponent!

No, not at all. If Chase or Pitts is there, wouldn't surprise me a bit.

Ya know we are like the Lions over the last 25 years and they took WR's in the 1st round as a habit.
2003 Charles Rogers (2)
2004 Roy Williams (7)
2005 Mike Williams (10)
2007 Calvin Watkins (2) Finally got it right

4 top 10 picks on WR's in 5 years. I wonder why they kept picking so high?

 

[kevm3]

The Lions wouldn't have been much better if better at all if they drafted average defenders. Why couldn't we have actually gotten decent talent in free agency on defense instead of filling the team with projects? THAT's the problem. If the BPA is on offense and is better than the best player on the other side of the ball by far, I'm taking that player on offense. if the BPAs are around the same level, then you go for the one on the side of the ball that needs more help... then you fill the other side up in free agency.

Problem with drafting average players is they might take years to be a contributor if he's a contributor at all, and by then, they are up for a new contract.