This is going to make some of you mad. Draft Matt Barkley

[cowboyvic]

Aaron Rodgers
Draft bio

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2005/draft/players/64079.html

Positives
Quick release
Live arm
Great anticipation
does not make mental errors
very athletic
fleet footed
outstanding vision
"early 1st round"

possible negative?
System qb?
needs to improve down field accuracy


it sounds like they really nailed it at the team he was coming out.

Rodgers downfield accuracy is second to none. they got it wrong. live arm does not mean strong arm. P. manning had a live arm, not a strong arm. and he is one of the greatest of all time. J. Elway had a strong arm, and is also one of the greatest of all time. my point is arm is not everything.the Cowboys will be sorry for it if they pass on Barkley.

 

[respectdatstar]

Rodgers downfield accuracy is second to none. they got it wrong. live arm does not mean strong arm. P. manning had a live arm, not a strong arm. and he is one of the greatest of all time. J. Elway had a strong arm, and is also one of the greatest of all time. my point is arm is not everything.the Cowboys will be sorry for it if they pass on Barkley.

IS? They WERE talking about him coming into the draft. That is what I don't understand about your posts. You are talking about Rodgers like he already won a Super Bowl before he got drafted. He was just another prospect that probably became the player he is today because he spent so much time around McCarthy and Favre. He had three full seasons under his belt before he got his chance to start. If he had gone anywhere else in the league, he would've been starting from day 1 and might not have even come close to the Rodgers we know today. Since you know everything, why don't you just fill out an application to be the next GM of the Dallas Cowboys? I'll be patiently waiting here for it to happen.

 

[DFWJC]

Rodgers downfield accuracy is second to none. they got it wrong. live arm does not mean strong arm. P. manning had a live arm, not a strong arm. and he is one of the greatest of all time. J. Elway had a strong arm, and is also one of the greatest of all time. my point is arm is not everything.the Cowboys will be sorry for it if they pass on Barkley.

Coming out though, there were issues with his down field accuracy. A few years on the bench honing his skills in GB tightened it up

If you think Dallas should take Barkley at 18, I disagree. Jmo

 

[cowboyvic]

Coming out though, there were issues with his down field accuracy. A few years on the bench honing his skills in GB tightened it up

If we have to wait a few years for him to develop, so be it if he turns out to be a franchise QB.and i think that is what this guy is going to be. do we want to take a chance by passing on this guy? remember a year ago when people were talking about this guy as the 2nd best QB to Andrew Luck?

 

[Idgit]

If anyone confused Matt Barkley with Aaron Rodgers then Barkley would be the consensus number one pick overall. He's not, and we aren't going to regret not taking him.

I can't even imagine why you made this thread, honestly.

 

[Hoofbite]

He will not be there in the 2nd round.we either get him in the first, or we don't get him.

So don't get him.

Seems pretty simple.

The guy isn't going to be Rodgers because guys that good are just too rare. Will he be a good QB, who really knows. But you don't take "good" QBs and have them ride the bench behind your current QB for what could be their entire rookie contract.

Romo is going to sign a new deal (hopefully) and he'll be the QB for the next 2-3 years at bare minimum. You don't draft a guy who's contract only gives you 1 year of service with the hopes that he turns out great. He doesn't have the mobility that Rodgers does and his arm strength probably isn't on par with Rodgers either.

If he were there in the 2nd round, he might be a worthwhile pick but I wouldn't even consider him then because he's going to ride the bench no matter what for at least 3 years. This isn't a situation in which the QB you currently have may or may not play next year. This is a situation in which the QB you currently have will likely sign a contract that keeps him on your team for another 5 seasons.

Dallas should draft a QB to develop, not a QB to "take over" 6 years from now.

 

[Wolf2k5]

Just remember you said that when he is lighting up the NFL years from now, like A. Rodgers is.

Matt is that you?

 

[burmafrd]

Matt is that you?

nah, its his agent

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Rodgers downfield accuracy is second to none. they got it wrong. live arm does not mean strong arm. P. manning had a live arm, not a strong arm. and he is one of the greatest of all time. J. Elway had a strong arm, and is also one of the greatest of all time. my point is arm is not everything.the Cowboys will be sorry for it if they pass on Barkley.

No, again, this is not accurate. When they say he can make all the throws and that he can drive the ball, that means he has good arm strength. When they say he has a Pro Arm, that means just that.

http://www.draftinsiders.com/node/1288

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That is not how i remember it. i remember people saying Rodgers did not have the arm. and everyone thought he was a west coast offense QB.let's not rework history.

I agree. That is why I posted an evaluation of Rogers prior to the draft, so that nobody "re-works" history.

 

[cowboyvic]

The good thing about this is time will prove one of us right. if all you guys are right i will be on here telling you you were right and i was wrong. all i want is all you naysayers to admit you were wrong when this kid turns out to be a star. it's going to happen.and we Jerry is going to be sorry he let a great young QB get away.

 

[Doomsday101]

If we don't i think it will come back and bite us for many years. this guy reminds me of the way the scouts were talking about Aaron Rodgers, when he fell way down in the draft. if he is there at 18, the Cowboys should take him.this guy is a gym rat. his am is strong enough. and he is smart enough to pick a defense apart.whoever is smart enough to get this kid will get a steal. this is on GM Jerry. if he makes a mistake and pass on Barkley like he did Rodgers. it will kill his team for many more years.

I don't see Rodgers type play from Barkley, good college QB have major doubts about his ability at the next level. Could just as easy be the next sanchez. Hard to say but I don't see him as elite prospect

 

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

Im going to be sitting back here reading and taking names of those who said no. like A. Rodgers, the people who pass will be kicking themselves a year or two from now. remember you said no thanks a few years ago on Rodgers. this kid will start and be a great NFL quarterback.

Put my name down...Barkley sucks! Carson Palmer part deux.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The good thing about this is time will prove one of us right. if all you guys are right i will be on here telling you you were right and i was wrong. all i want is all you naysayers to admit you were wrong when this kid turns out to be a star. it's going to happen.and we Jerry is going to be sorry he let a great young QB get away.

That's fair. I think it's also fair that you admit that what you said about evaluations on Rogers, at the time he was drafted, were also wrong.

comme ci comme ça

For what it's worth, I do believe that Barkley has a chance to develop into a decent QB. I've never said otherwise. I don't believe he's worth a 1st rd pick but I think, if brought along correctly, he can be a guy who might be able to play in the NFL. List my name as you wish. It won't matter because I will not need a list holder to somehow make me tell the truth about what I thought about Barkley.

 

[StarBoyz83]

Rather have manuel. I think he's the best qb prospect in this draft.

 

[Nirvana]

Comparing him to Aaron Rodgers is silly.

 

[cowboyvic]

Time will tell. one of us is going to be wrong. and i do not think it's going to be me.

 

[revospeed]

Do you think Matt Leinart was worth the 10th pick? Would you have drafted him at 18?

Do you think Mark Sanchez was worth the 5th pick? Would you have drafted him at 69?

To me, that door kinda swings both ways when your talking about USC QBs. I mean, there is a really long list of guys who came from USC to play QB in the NFL that have just not panned out.

Mark Sanchez
John David Booty
Matt Leinart
Matt Cassel
Carson Palmer
Kyle Wackholtz
Rob Johnson
Todd Marinavich
Pat O'Hare
Rodney Pete
Paul McDonald

Now, that goes back over 30 years, to 1980. Of that list, how many of those guys can we say have actually turned out to be great QBs?

Carson Palmer is probably the closest I think but can we really say he was Great? Maybe pretty good? Rob Johnson and Rodney Pete, maybe good?

I'm not the biggest fan of Barkley, but just because he attended USC doesn't mean he's doomed. What exactly does Pat O'Hare failing in the pros have to do with Matt Barkley? Did they have the same coach, run the same offense, have comparable measurables? Should teams avoid every LSU QB for the next thirty years because of Jamarcus Russell and Matt Flynn? Should teams go after QBs from Stanford because of John Elway and Andrew Luck? Let me guess, you were convinced Chad Hutchinson was going to be the next John Elway because of his alma mater. Can you name any great guards to come out of North Carolina? I can't off the top of my head. Better avoid Jonathan Cooper at all costs.

It's silly to base even part of an evaluation of a current player on players from 30 years ago who's only similarities are their positions and the school they went to. Mark Sanchez failed because he wasn't very good, same with Leinart, Barkley could fail just like them, but it won't be because he went to USC.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm not the biggest fan of Barkley, but just because he attended USC doesn't mean he's doomed. What exactly does Pat O'Hare failing in the pros have to do with Matt Barkley? Did they have the same coach, run the same offense, have comparable measurables? Should teams avoid every LSU QB for the next thirty years because of Jamarcus Russell and Matt Flynn? Should teams go after QBs from Stanford because of John Elway and Andrew Luck? Let me guess, you were convinced Chad Hutchinson was going to be the next John Elway because of his alma mater. Can you name any great guards to come out of North Carolina? I can't off the top of my head. Better avoid Jonathan Cooper at all costs.

It's silly to base even part of an evaluation of a current player on players from 30 years ago who's only similarities are their positions and the school they went to. Mark Sanchez failed because he wasn't very good, same with Leinart, Barkley could fail just like them, but it won't be because he went to USC.

True, heck Navy has not produced many great QB we sure as hell got the one they did produce. lol

For me I'm just not in awe of Brakley like I was when I watched Troy at UCLA or Manning at Tennesee. Also it is not like either of those colleges produced many outstanding QB.

I could be wrong on Barkley but I still do not think Dallas should use a 1st rd pick on him.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Food for thought for the OP:

The only people who will get mad for not taking Barkley are the same ones who got mad when the Cowboys didn't take ND QB Jimmy Claussen.