This is going to make some of you mad. Draft Matt Barkley

[cowboyvic]

True, heck Navy has not produced many great QB we sure as hell got the one they did produce. lol

For me I'm just not in awe of Brakley like I was when I watched Troy at UCLA or Manning at Tennesee. Also it is not like either of those colleges produced many outstanding QB.

I could be wrong on Barkley but I still do not think Dallas should use a 1st rd pick on him.

That's my point. what if you are wrong and Barkley becomes a star franchise QB like A. Rodgers did?

 

[DFWJC]

That's my point. what if you are wrong and Barkley becomes a star franchise QB like A. Rodgers did?

You could say that every year about any of the top 5-6 QBs not taken at the very top of the draft. His odds of being the next Rodgers is about the same as the rest of those Joes....very, very small.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'm not the biggest fan of Barkley, but just because he attended USC doesn't mean he's doomed. What exactly does Pat O'Hare failing in the pros have to do with Matt Barkley? Did they have the same coach, run the same offense, have comparable measurables? Should teams avoid every LSU QB for the next thirty years because of Jamarcus Russell and Matt Flynn? Should teams go after QBs from Stanford because of John Elway and Andrew Luck? Let me guess, you were convinced Chad Hutchinson was going to be the next John Elway because of his alma mater. Can you name any great guards to come out of North Carolina? I can't off the top of my head. Better avoid Jonathan Cooper at all costs.

It's silly to base even part of an evaluation of a current player on players from 30 years ago who's only similarities are their positions and the school they went to. Mark Sanchez failed because he wasn't very good, same with Leinart, Barkley could fail just like them, but it won't be because he went to USC.

Nothing but then I never said that the failing of other USC QBs had anything to do with Barkley. What I said was that USC doesn't have a great track record with QBs in the Pros. What I mean by that is that USC QBs get hyped and most times, they are not as good as advertised. The door swings both ways.

That's what I said. Do you have a problem with that observation?

 

[burmafrd]

Time will tell. one of us is going to be wrong. and i do not think it's going to be me.

When 50 people in a row tell you that you are drunk its time to borrow a quarter and lay down in the gutter.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That's my point. what if you are wrong and Barkley becomes a star franchise QB like A. Rodgers did?

What if he isn't? What if he's right, we draft him and he's another Sanchez or Leinart?

 

[Doomsday101]

That's my point. what if you are wrong and Barkley becomes a star franchise QB like A. Rodgers did?

Then I'm wrong but if I had to make the call today, do I use a 1st rd pick on a QB I'm not convinced will be an elite QB, so then why would I want to draft him in the 1st rd. I have seen a lot of Barkley I just do not come away with a sense that he will be more than a bus driver QB, who knows on the right team that may be enough but I don't see him as a top ranked passer in the NFL. time will tell

 

[CowboyGil]

OMG, I hope Jerry or Stephen isn't reading this thread.

 

[CIWhitefish]

After extensive tape study, NFL Films' Greg Cosell projects USC QB Matt Barkley as no more than a "mid-level starter in the NFL" due to Barkley's athletic and arm-strength limitations.
"He just does not have enough arm," Cosell wrote, citing Barkley's tendency to "lose energy" on the backend of throws 18 yards or longer. "In addition, he did not show the pocket movement that is also essential for pocket quarterbacks in the NFL," Cosell observed. "Barkley was not very athletic in and around the pocket. He’s not very light on his feet. ... Overall, he’s an average athlete without the kind of lower body explosiveness that you’d like to see, the kind that defines a quarterback like Drew Brees."

Source: Yahoo Sports

Not at all like Aaron Rodgers

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Im going to be sitting back here reading and taking names of those who said no. like A. Rodgers, the people who pass will be kicking themselves a year or two from now. remember you said no thanks a few years ago on Rodgers. this kid will start and be a great NFL quarterback.

Oh NO! Taking names!!!!! Have Mercy!!!!

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

This thing is never an exact science, but it seems every USC QB has flamed out this decade. There has to be something to that.

Leinhart and Sanchez have been terrible.

Palmer was actually looking pretty good before he shredded his knee, then he stepped down further after his elbow issues.

The only thing that I would say in Barkley's defense is that he seems much more dedicated to his craft, more intelligent and more mature than Leinhart and Sanchez by a mile. If Dallas takes a chance in him in the second, I would probably figure out a way to be okay with it.

 

[burmafrd]

This thing is never an exact science, but it seems every USC QB has flamed out this decade. There has to be something to that.

Leinhart and Sanchez have been terrible.

Palmer was actually looking pretty good before he shredded his knee, then he stepped down further after his elbow issues.

The only thing that I would say in Barkley's defense is that he seems much more dedicated to his craft, more intelligent and more mature than Leinhart and Sanchez by a mile. If Dallas takes a chance in him in the second, I would probably figure out a way to be okay with it.

Who REALLY sees Barkley as a franchize QB?

 

[DFWJC]

Who REALLY sees Barkley as a franchize QB?

With this weak draft, he'll be pushed up into the 1st round.
I see him as a guy who can start but has a low ceiling.
So no on the franchize talk

 

[Wolf2k5]

Time will tell. one of us is going to be wrong. and i do not think it's going to be me.

I think post like this are the reason people are kinda coming at you on this opinion. Your dealing in absolutes saying Barkley WILL be as good as Rodgers when nobody has any way of knowing. Nobody is Telling you there is zero chance but they are going with the evidence they have seen. Plus being "as good" as someone is so subjective. If he makes a conference championship game in first three years cuz he was drafted to a great team does that make him "as good"?

 

[DFWJC]

I think post like this are the reason people are kinda coming at you on this opinion. Your dealing in absolutes saying Barkley WILL be as good as Rodgers when nobody has any way of knowing. Nobody is Telling you there is zero chance but they are going with the evidence they have seen. Plus being "as good" as someone is so subjective. If he makes a conference championship game in first three years cuz he was drafted to a great team does that make him "as good"?

We know the answer to that.
Advancing in the playoffs does not mean a QB is good. Sanchez is a fairly recent example.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Who REALLY sees Barkley as a franchize QB?

I have my doubts on his ability to be anything more than an average QB in the league, but that probably means he will be the next Tom Brady.

 

[cowboyvic]

I think post like this are the reason people are kinda coming at you on this opinion. Your dealing in absolutes saying Barkley WILL be as good as Rodgers when nobody has any way of knowing. Nobody is Telling you there is zero chance but they are going with the evidence they have seen. Plus being "as good" as someone is so subjective. If he makes a conference championship game in first three years cuz he was drafted to a great team does that make him "as good"?

You can't have it both ways.get off the fence.either you think he is going to be a great player or you don't. i think he is going to br an outstanding NFL quarterback.

 

[cowboyvic]

After extensive tape study, NFL Films' Greg Cosell projects USC QB Matt Barkley as no more than a "mid-level starter in the NFL" due to Barkley's athletic and arm-strength limitations.
"He just does not have enough arm," Cosell wrote, citing Barkley's tendency to "lose energy" on the backend of throws 18 yards or longer. "In addition, he did not show the pocket movement that is also essential for pocket quarterbacks in the NFL," Cosell observed. "Barkley was not very athletic in and around the pocket. He’s not very light on his feet. ... Overall, he’s an average athlete without the kind of lower body explosiveness that you’d like to see, the kind that defines a quarterback like Drew Brees."

Source: Yahoo Sports

Not at all like Aaron Rodgers

Greg Cosell said it so that must make it true. he is going to be proven wrong.and remember i said that.

 

[TheFinisher]

This thing is never an exact science, but it seems every USC QB has flamed out this decade. There has to be something to that.

Everyone keeps regurgitating this even though it's 100% false.

Carson Palmer ascended to elite status quicker than guys like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, etc.

He was named AFC player of the year in his 2nd year starting. It's asinine to say he flamed out.

 

[CIWhitefish]

Greg Cosell said it so that must make it true. he is going to be proven wrong.and remember i said that.

I know it must be difficult but read what he said. Someone who knows a lot more than any of us gave his observations and they do not mirror anything like Aaron Rodgers. Barks may turn out to be a decent to good QB but no way is he ever going to be the hands down best QB in the NFL like Rodgers is now.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Everyone keeps regurgitating this even though it's 100% false.

Carson Palmer ascended to elite status quicker than guys like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, etc.

He was named AFC player of the year in his 2nd year starting. It's asinine to say he flamed out.

Don't you think it is somewhat disturbingly disingenous to take a piece of my quote to fit your flame, but leave out the rest where I give props to Carson Palmer and point out that he went downhill only after his injuries?