This offense is awful

BigStar said:
The execution argument should be taken away with good coaching. That alone defeats your last paragraph but commend you on the support. In all honesty, breaks SHOULD have gone JG's way to get him a couple of wins, even with his conservative gameplan. The problem, and has been for far too long, is he didn't adust. You adjust to not having your starting QB. You adjust to shorter, comfortable routes that should help the QB. We saw none of that in Romo's absences. Where was the short passing game scheme for Weeden to succeed? When he failed, where were the comfortable passes designed for a QB needing to get comfortable? We didn't see any of that. We saw run on 1 and 2 and hope for someone to make a play. Get out in front Garrett! You don't have to settle for that. How bout a motion flat to Beas that isn't on 3rd and short? A Dez rub against the middle? He had opps. He never took them You can't teach cojones.
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I try not to get into the 'we don't make adjustments' debates, because we obviously do make adjustments just like very team in the league. What people are really saying is 'we don't make adjustments I want to see!' I don't think the issue with Garrett is that he's too conservative. I think he's conservative when he doesn't think he's got a personnel advantage. When he's got the matchup he wants, he (and Tony) will go for broke. When he thinks he's got the ability to man up and get a 3rd and short, he'll go for it. We saw it last year and everybody was going around saying how much he'd changed. Really, he's just built his philosophy around avoiding bad plays. If he doesn't think he's got an advantage, he's not taking the chance. Fans hate it, it makes for boring football when the team's not good enough, but he's not going to change. I don't like watching it, either, much, but I understand why he does it and I think he's probably right.

As for the rest of it, you know, if he's got players in position to win the games as it is and they're just not making the plays, I just can't put that on the coaches. I know they can do things like bench players for drops and the like, but again that gets hard to do when you're hit by a rash of injuries or have suspension issues. There are situations where it works, and then there are situations where you're just better off playing the personnel you've got because the drop-off is too significant. Leary, you can replace. Terrence Williams? Who you got?
 
Idgit said:
Sigh. Your argument ran itself into a ditch here, so I think that's probably where we should just let it lie.
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None of my arguments run into a ditch I have too many facts to back them up to crash and burn. His argument about the running game being better than last year's ran into a ditch and you went along with him because you're always running to take sides with him.

He has enough lapdogs on this site defending his stats he should have stuck with passer rating's instead of trying to tackle the running game with stats. I made a simple comment that was all in fun and you're trying to make a big issue out of it.
 
KJJ said:
None of my arguments run into a ditch I have too many facts to back them up to crash and burn. His argument about the running game being better than last year's ran into a ditch and you went along with him because you're always running to take sides with.

He has enough lapdogs on this site defending his stats he should have stuck with passer rating's instead of trying to tackle the running game with stats. I made a simple comment that was all in fun and you're trying to make a big issue out of it.
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Lolwut? I was trying to extricate myself from it, actually. I didn't realize you had an axe to grind with percy. Who has an axe to grind with percy, of all people?
 
Idgit said:
Lolwut? I was trying to extricate myself from it, actually. I didn't realize you had an axe to grind with percy. Who has an axe to grind with percy, of all people?
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I don't have an axe to grand with Percy I like Percy we just never agree. He's one of the most civil posters I've ever argued with. Not once in all the disagreements we've had over the years has he ever become insulting or combative. If I had a problem with him I wouldn't have discussions with him. I took a fun little jab at him and had you not butted in you wouldn't of had to extricate yourself from it.

This had nothing to do with you but you always manage to come around when I mention his name or have a disagreement with him. Sometimes I think you have an axe to grind with me because you've come around many times to team up with others against me. We've both had our say it's time to move on.
 
Idgit said:
It should not have been a surprise to anybody that an offense needs a capable QB to be successful. I know it's popular to bandy about the idea that a good QB 'covers up' for a bad coach, but the reality is, you can't win many games without a good QB, and, if you do, it's because you've got a defense that makes the other guys' QBs look worse than your own.

The team doesn't lack scheme or discipline. That's just something fans say when they don't want to hold players they like responsible for holding onto footballs or catching critical 3rd downs. This team has been in position to win all but two games this season with the scheme and the discipline it's got on hand. It's lost those games because our players didn't make the plays that were right there to be made. End of story.

The two games we lost where we didn't really have a chance were both to better teams than we've got right now.
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Guess you disagree with Strum and I disagree with you.
 
Idgit said:
That would depend on which of Sturm's arguments you're talking about, but, maybe.
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I'm sure the reason why Romo throws in the middle of the field on second and third reads and Cassell doesn't is because GROG!

I'm sure that the reason why Cassell looks like he doesn't have command of the huddle is because GROG!

I'm sure the reason why he makes those weak inaccurate throws is because GROG!

I'm sure the reason we went 0-7 is because GROG!

And when Jerry Jones comes out and agrees with that reasoning they take it as the hallmark of truth and wisdom!

and lo, none of it mattered.
 
Idgit said:
I try not to get into the 'we don't make adjustments' debates, because we obviously do make adjustments just like very team in the league. What people are really saying is 'we don't make adjustments I want to see!' I don't think the issue with Garrett is that he's too conservative. I think he's conservative when he doesn't think he's got a personnel advantage. When he's got the matchup he wants, he (and Tony) will go for broke. When he thinks he's got the ability to man up and get a 3rd and short, he'll go for it. We saw it last year and everybody was going around saying how much he'd changed. Really, he's just built his philosophy around avoiding bad plays. If he doesn't think he's got an advantage, he's not taking the chance. Fans hate it, it makes for boring football when the team's not good enough, but he's not going to change. I don't like watching it, either, much, but I understand why he does it and I think he's probably right.

As for the rest of it, you know, if he's got players in position to win the games as it is and they're just not making the plays, I just can't put that on the coaches. I know they can do things like bench players for drops and the like, but again that gets hard to do when you're hit by a rash of injuries or have suspension issues. There are situations where it works, and then there are situations

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It's not about what JG wants, it's about what produces wins. We can't "wait" for him to be comfortable "thinking" about exploiting mismatches, which you said he bypassess. That's what HC/OC's are for. Looking for mismatches. You'll never own your opponent across the front. You simply can't wait for him to have every weapon to shine. HC/OC's do a lot more with less nowadays. Truth in the league and JG wants a SB team bf trying to scheme, etc.

What game day advantage does JG offer? Not giving up when there is a possible blowout?
 
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We've had no problem moving the chains and generating long drives this year.

time of average possession
2014 3:02
2015 3:14

plays per drive
2014 6.04
2015 6.26

70+ yard drives
2014 33 (16g)
2015 22 (11g)

We've had no problem reaching the red zone.

red zone possessions
2014 50 (16g)
2015 33 (11g)

Once we get to the red zone, we run the ball as effectively as last year.

average gain on red zone run
2014 2.7 yds
2015 2.8 yds

first down % on red zone runs
2014 27.5%
2015 33.3%

TD % on runs from 1-5 yard line
2014 55.0%
2015 55.6%


What we don't do as well in the red zone is pass. That's very different from last year.

first down % on red zone passes
2014 40.3%
2015 22.8%

red zone completion %
2014 60.6%
2015 42.6%

red zone pass rating
2014 101.3
2015 82.9

But the biggest difference of all from last year to this is that we're no longer able to score from outside the red zone. In 2014, Romo had his best year of intermediate-to-deep passing since the Laurent Robinson year (2011). That's all gone now.

team pass rating on targets of 20+ yards
2014 112.9
2015 67.9

20+ yard TD passes
2014 15
2015 3
 
Aven8 said:
I knew it was bad but didn't realize it was this bad. This has become Campo's Cowboys.

Romo has 35 drives on the season and scored only 5 TD's.

Cassel has 55 drives and has only scored 7 TD's.

We have clipped off a full touchdown and extra point off of our scoring offense from last year as well.

Our leading reciever is Witten at 60 catches.

McFadden is averaging a mere 3.8 yards per carry.

We will not have a 3,000 yard passer, 1,000 yard rusher, or 1,000 reciever this year in 16 games.


Awful!
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That's what happens when your star QB is out and your backup fails
Has little to do with the offense and everything to do with the fact Weeden couldn't play and Cassel hasn't caught on to the system well enough to really run it
 
percyhoward said:
We've had no problem moving the chains and generating long drives this year.

time of average possession
2014 3:02
2015 3:14

plays per drive
2014 6.04
2015 6.26

70+ yard drives
2014 33 (16g)
2015 22 (11g)

We've had no problem reaching the red zone.

red zone possessions
2014 50 (16g)
2015 33 (11g)

Once we get to the red zone, we run the ball as effectively as last year.

average gain on red zone run
2014 2.7 yds
2015 2.8 yds

first down % on red zone runs
2014 27.5%
2015 33.3%

TD % on runs from 1-5 yard line
2014 55.0%
2015 55.6%


What we don't do as well in the red zone is pass. That's very different from last year.

first down % on red zone passes
2014 40.3%
2015 22.8%

red zone completion %
2014 60.6%
2015 42.6%

red zone pass rating
2014 101.3
2015 82.9

But the biggest difference of all from last year to this is that we're no longer able to score from outside the red zone. In 2014, Romo had his best year of intermediate-to-deep passing since the Laurent Robinson year (2011). That's all gone now.

team pass rating on targets of 20+ yards
2014 112.9
2015 67.9

20+ yard TD passes
2014 15
2015 3
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That's the result of losing your starting QB and not having a backup capable of running the offense
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
I'm sure the reason why Romo throws in the middle of the field on second and third reads and Cassell doesn't is because GROG!

I'm sure that the reason why Cassell looks like he doesn't have command of the huddle is because GROG!

I'm sure the reason why he makes those weak inaccurate throws is because GROG!

I'm sure the reason we went 0-7 is because GROG!

And when Jerry Jones comes out and agrees with that reasoning they take it as the hallmark of truth and wisdom!

and lo, none of it mattered.
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So what your saying is that Garrett should be blameless?

Its sad that even good ole' Jerry is coming to realization that Garrett isn't really the genius that he thought him to be. Its not a prophetic sign of truth and wisdom. Its the sign of reality hitting the fan.
 
Idgit said:
It should not have been a surprise to anybody that an offense needs a capable QB to be successful. I know it's popular to bandy about the idea that a good QB 'covers up' for a bad coach, but the reality is, you can't win many games without a good QB, and, if you do, it's because you've got a defense that makes the other guys' QBs look worse than your own.

The team doesn't lack scheme or discipline. That's just something fans say when they don't want to hold players they like responsible for holding onto footballs or catching critical 3rd downs. This team has been in position to win all but two games this season with the scheme and the discipline it's got on hand. It's lost those games because our players didn't make the plays that were right there to be made. End of story.

The two games we lost where we didn't really have a chance were both to better teams than we've got right now.
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If a game is close is where you need a coach that knows how to win. This is where Garrett has failed to do so.. He fails miserably during crunch time. Just about every game this year we played was winnable except for Carolina and the Patriots. But the other games were close enough to where we can have made changes or made the right calls to win.

Its not the players that are failing here. Its the coach. I feel that Garrett just doesn't have that killer instinct to win the games. He's being to smart for his own good.
 
percyhoward said:
We've had no problem moving the chains and generating long drives this year.

time of average possession
2014 3:02
2015 3:14

plays per drive
2014 6.04
2015 6.26

70+ yard drives
2014 33 (16g)
2015 22 (11g)

We've had no problem reaching the red zone.

red zone possessions
2014 50 (16g)
2015 33 (11g)

Once we get to the red zone, we run the ball as effectively as last year.

average gain on red zone run
2014 2.7 yds
2015 2.8 yds

first down % on red zone runs
2014 27.5%
2015 33.3%

TD % on runs from 1-5 yard line
2014 55.0%
2015 55.6%


What we don't do as well in the red zone is pass. That's very different from last year.

first down % on red zone passes
2014 40.3%
2015 22.8%

red zone completion %
2014 60.6%
2015 42.6%

red zone pass rating
2014 101.3
2015 82.9

But the biggest difference of all from last year to this is that we're no longer able to score from outside the red zone. In 2014, Romo had his best year of intermediate-to-deep passing since the Laurent Robinson year (2011). That's all gone now.

team pass rating on targets of 20+ yards
2014 112.9
2015 67.9

20+ yard TD passes
2014 15
2015 3
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Thanks for the stats. This proves that really we could have won games with or without Romo. If the stats were almost similar to last years than why aren't we winning? Why aren't we scoring TDs and settling for field goals instead? Why is it that we are last in the league in 3rd and short even with this massive oline?

So if that stats is very similar to last year and our defense shows improvement, it means that its not the players that are at fault here. We're losing because of the coach. The predictability on offense is killing this team. Why can't he make changes for us to win games? Him being stubborn is killing this team.
 
ConstantReboot said:
If a game is close is where you need a coach that knows how to win. This is where Garrett has failed to do so.. He fails miserably during crunch time. Just about every game this year we played was winnable except for Carolina and the Patriots. But the other games were close enough to where we can have made changes or made the right calls to win.

Its not the players that are failing here. Its the coach. I feel that Garrett just doesn't have that killer instinct to win the games. He's being to smart for his own good.
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If the calls they make put the players in position to win, you can't blame the calls. At some point, the players have to execute. It's not the coaches who are dropping the third down passes or holding players at the goal line.
 
The offense is predictable. That statement shouldn't be controversial as opponents have been pointing it out since 2008. Michael Irvin mentioned it last year. Predictability does not doom an offense to failure. In fact, it is the main reason the offense travels as well as it does. However, a predictable offense must have almost perfect health to function well because it relies entirely on players winning individual match ups. Any adversity will throw it off kilter.
 
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