This Season has NOT been a success

[MapleLeaf]

so what do these players do when say jjones has a fumble and is benched yet when his "boys" lob a few int's they get excuses to hide behind? do they see "fair opportunity" or more coaches boys?

can't just look 1 way. the simple fact of the matter is there's a lot more "division" of the fans than there has been in the past. despite all our arguing and whoever in the end may be right, there's usually a good reason there's such a wide disagreement on directions.

like it or not we've got problems that won't be solved in the short term.
like it or not, that's what this team is built to do even with youth at other key positions. our 'bus driver' is what the rest of the team eventually will be. history shows that's not good enough and i don't see it changing based on the moves and how they've panned out so far, such as the OL.

...stems purely from the fans believing that this team is much more than what they truly are - a team two seasons removed from perpetual mediocrity.

If we launch another 9-7 or 10-6 season and miss the playoffs then you have some serious points, but at this time it is too early to tell.

This is the first year of our new defence. We have obvious holes to fill and some players haven't taken up the challenge.

As for J Jones, I don't think that young man has any reason to gripe about any situation he is presently in. He's is in my mind not a vet and he's certainly not shown any consistency.

Let those who want to be divisive be so, but watch this team with a descerning eye for stangnancy. when the team stops preogressing due to lack of coaching and development, then it truly is Bill's fault.

 

[superpunk]

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Keep up the good work Iceberg..you and rcawdl have these guys running in circles...

man oh man the education is tough

Brilliant commentary. Keep the good stuff coming.:jerk:

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

I think the worst thing to happen to us under Bill's tenure was going to the playoffs in year 2..
We were not good enough and we did not get picks in the draft that let us help the talent that we really had....

Bill should have won coach of the year that year cause he truly worked magic

 

[InmanRoshi]

...when you apply it to present starters who arer healthy enough to play and have shown Parcells something.

Pettiti does not break the mould. Carson wasn't a starter.

And the fact that he sits Ellis to start Canty?

 

[wileedog]

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Keep up the good work Iceberg..you and rcawdl have these guys running in circles...

If by "running in circles" you mean dealing with two guys who keep making s*** up to somehow hammer reality into their own little agenda driven arguements, sure.

JJ was benched for fumbling? What Cowboys team are you watching ice?

 

[Novacek84]

My post from another thread:

- new Dline and LB corps with revamped secondary learning a new system
- new qb for 2nd straight season
- no O-line depth
- unbelievably wack special teams unit

Going into the season with these factors and ending up 10-6 with a chance to go into playoffs and being a team noone will want to face is a success to me.

I'll add that we have a nice corps of new talent that will be here for years to come.

Defense:

Williams, Newman, Ware, Spears, Canty

Offense:

Jones, Barber, Witten, Crayton, and Pettiti ..yes, Pettiti. say what you want about his troubles as a rookie but he's gonna be a good one for many years.

Good post. I completely agree with the Petitti comment. That's why Parcells deemed him ready for this year even though he was a 6th rounder. I'll add that he fixed the defense last offseason now give him a chance to upgrade the OL and tweak some other offensive personnel and we should be a top 4 NFC team next year. Based on that projection '05 was a success. Like Parcells says, you are what your record says you are and 10-6 (if we beat STL) ain't bad for progress, playoffs or not.

 

[superpunk]

If by "running in circles" you mean dealing with two guys who keep making s*** up to somehow hammer reality into their own little agenda driven arguements, sure.

LMAO!!!!

 

[iceberg]

OK, be a jerk. I explained my position, on where I view BP's progress with the team. I know he's coached three years. I can also see things - not just in black and white. I didn't abuse any facts, or make anything up, like your story about JJ getting "benched." Nice try on the deflection, though. Next time, try getting your facts straight first.

jj got benched before for fumbling. if you disagree, sorry about that but it's true. and for the record, i think YOU'RE just as passionate about this team as i am, and while talking to someone with such different views can be frustrating, that doesn't make them a "jerk". not to me, anyway. but if that's where we're headed then yes, we need to quit talking for awhile cause neither of us want to listen it seems, just be understood.

what bp is doing can work - yes. but i view it as less likely to work than building to win vs patching to win. that's all.

this jerk out.

 

[iceberg]

If by "running in circles" you mean dealing with two guys who keep making s*** up to somehow hammer reality into their own little agenda driven arguements, sure.

JJ was benched for fumbling? What Cowboys team are you watching ice?

what have i made up?

nothing.

and last year yes, jj did fumble and yes, was benched. you wanna call me a liar YOU go look it up and prove it or just have a cup of **** and move along, ok?

 

[mally]

I dont recall JJ ever getting benched for fumbling. Can you support that staement with an article, link anything other than just your opinion ? You say its true, but ive never seen that written anywhere ?

jj got benched before for fumbling. if you disagree, sorry about that but it's true. and for the record, i think YOU'RE just as passionate about this team as i am, and while talking to someone with such different views can be frustrating, that doesn't make them a "jerk". not to me, anyway. but if that's where we're headed then yes, we need to quit talking for awhile cause neither of us want to listen it seems, just be understood.

what bp is doing can work - yes. but i view it as less likely to work than building to win vs patching to win. that's all.

this jerk out.

 

[superpunk]

jj got benched before for fumbling. if you disagree, sorry about that but it's true. and for the record, i think YOU'RE just as passionate about this team as i am, and while talking to someone with such different views can be frustrating, that doesn't make them a "jerk". not to me, anyway. but if that's where we're headed then yes, we need to quit talking for awhile cause neither of us want to listen it seems, just be understood.

what bp is doing can work - yes. but i view it as less likely to work than building to win vs patching to win. that's all.

this jerk out.

How can I disagree? If it is actually a "fact", then there should be some proof. Was he benched this year for fumbling three times? Or was it last year, for fumbling three times. The answer is neither. You made that up.

How is instituting a brand new defensive scheme, drafting incredibly well, developing young players on offense at RB, TE, RT, FB, WR, "patching to win?" I don't understand that at all. Last year? With the great Eddie George, and Marcellus Wiley? Yes, you've got a point. But this team now, is built for the future. Not patched, by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[superpunk]

and last year yes, jj did fumble and yes, was benched. you wanna call me a liar YOU go look it up and prove it or just have a cup of **** and move along, ok?

I think, if you're going to be the one to bring some "fact" that noone can remember, you should be the one to submit proof to back it up. Unless we're ALL crazy.....

 

[iceberg]

I dont recall JJ ever getting benched for fumbling. Can you support that staement with an article, link anything other than just your opinion ? You say its true, but ive never seen that written anywhere ?

he fumbled, he got "the look" and marion barber came in for awhile. many felt and talked about it as being "punishment" for fumbling and on other boards we all got into tirades of how jj gets punished while vinnie lobs int after int.

no, i'm not gonna go look it up because even if i did and did find it, they'd not give a damn and blow it off. been there, done that, ain't got time to play games by an ever changing set of rules. if i felt by proving that ONE point they'd understand and admit bp treats players differently (which should be obvious) then i'd consider it.

but knowing from "graney arguing experience" proving your point to someone who's already "against" you is useless as ...

you know what.

 

[mally]

I agree SuperPunk I think he made that crap up. He might have been benched for a drive or two but when you say benched, that makes it sound like he was out for a whole game cause he was benched. Thats a strong term.

 

[mally]

Well then since you cant provide anything I guess there is nothing left to do but assume you are full of crap...

he fumbled, he got "the look" and marion barber came in for awhile. many felt and talked about it as being "punishment" for fumbling and on other boards we all got into tirades of how jj gets punished while vinnie lobs int after int.

no, i'm not gonna go look it up because even if i did and did find it, they'd not give a damn and blow it off. been there, done that, ain't got time to play games by an ever changing set of rules. if i felt by proving that ONE point they'd understand and admit bp treats players differently (which should be obvious) then i'd consider it.

but knowing from "graney arguing experience" proving your point to someone who's already "against" you is useless as ...

you know what.

 

[iceberg]

I think, if you're going to be the one to bring some "fact" that noone can remember, you should be the one to submit proof to back it up. Unless we're ALL crazy.....

again, even if i did it would make no difference, you'd still feel the way you do, i'd still feel the way i do and no opinions would change.

you tell me what difference it would make, ok? so far i see "none" coming to mind so i don't see the point.

say i prove it - what will you say then? odds are you'll go on the same stance for the same reasons and find a way to make it worthless in the overall point of the argument. i've done it enough to know when people say PROVE IT doing so never ends the discussion. since it won't here, i see no point in it.

think what you want, i just don't care.

 

[iceberg]

Well then since you cant provide anything I guess there is nothing left to do but assume you are full of crap...

you do that. now let's all get JR HIGH and act like kids, ok?

 

[wileedog]

and last year yes, jj did fumble and yes, was benched. you wanna call me a liar YOU go look it up and prove it or just have a cup of **** and move along, ok?

he fumbled, he got "the look" and marion barber came in for awhile.

Barber came in "last year" for JJ?

That would have been a neat trick. I wonder how his college coach felt about him going off campus and playing in a pro football game?

 

[superpunk]

he fumbled, he got "the look" and marion barber came in for awhile. many felt and talked about it as being "punishment" for fumbling and on other boards we all got into tirades of how jj gets punished while vinnie lobs int after int.

Marion Barber came in? This is a post you made like 5 minutes ago;

and last year yes, jj did fumble and yes, was benched. you wanna call me a liar YOU go look it up and prove it or just have a cup of **** and move along, ok?

Did I miss something, or did we draft MB3 this year?

 

[iceberg]

I agree SuperPunk I think he made that crap up. He might have been benched for a drive or two but when you say benched, that makes it sound like he was out for a whole game cause he was benched. Thats a strong term.

that's all he was benched for dude. YOU ALL assumed i meant more than that then make that my fault and tell ME i have a reading comprehension problem.