This Season has NOT been a success

[InmanRoshi]

...fabricating things here. At no time during the Patriots first run did BB say he was ditching the season to see how this Brady kid turns out.

Bledsoe had a "life threatening" injury. Brady had to play. It had nothing to do with "Long Term" it was he needed to put in his best QB.

I'm certain the coaches had a feeling for what they had with Brady or else they would have searched the waiver wire. They wer still in the playoff hunt and you don't throw games in this league.

In the time I have watched the Patriots I have never had the feeling that BB never has NOT played to WIN!!!

By the time Drew was ready to see the field this kid had caught lightning in a bottle and Belechick would have been a fool to upset the apple cart. All he would have to do is wait for the kid to fall flat on his face then reinstate the veteran. Has history shows outside of one game Bledsoe lost his opportunity to Brady.

Notice how Bledsoe doesn't harbour any ill will towards Brady? I thkn Drew knew that this teams was Tom's after the SuperBowl win and he waswn't going to change that no matter what.

Your proposal is preposterous!

Perfectly said. People are wanting to compare situations like they are even remotely alike.

If you think Bill Belichick would have played Drew Henson this year instead of Bledsoe and fought through a 1-15 season in the name of finding the "franchise" Qb, you haven't followed Bill Belichick's career very much. He didn't do it with Cleveland and he didn't do it with New England. In Cleveland he brought in Testeverde rather than draft and develop a young QB.

In New England he showed that repeatedly he would rather win now with older stop-gap veterans than strip everything down to 1-15 and build around a nucleus of Top 10 draft picks. He had one 5-11 team his first year, and he decided that was enough of that. Here come Roman Phifer, Terrell Buckley and Anthony Pleasant and any other cheap/stop gap measure he could get his hands on.

 

[rcaldw]

What "move" are you talking about? You make it seem like some stroke of coaching genius that BB started Brady. He did it because Bledsoe was injured! If bledsoe stays healthy, Brady doesn't see the field that year. As for your mind-reading of BP, who knows? Didn't he have a similar situation in Phil Simms and Jeff Hostetler? In any case, I don't see what good debating a hypothetical about what BP would do ina certain situation does.

To me, the move he made was when Bledsoe returned to good health. He kept him on the bench. That is the move that Parcells would have never made.

 

[iceberg]

Wile Im not even talking about Henson, you guys are. Would I like to see Henson get a chance? Yes. But is the only guy I would accept? By no means. Just please don't give me Tony Romo.

Go get a guy we can have back there for years, that is what I'm asking for. Whomever that might be.

this is the part that's tough when talking to the "hard headed" - they make assumptions of your argument based on what they immediately see so that's the extent of their "VISION". you suddenly find yourself asked to defend things you never said, they just assumed.

gets old.

 

[iceberg]

To me, the move he made was when Bledsoe returned to good health. He kept him on the bench. That is the move that Parcells would have never made.

oh hell, hensen got to play 1/2 cause vinnie was "hurt". suddenly at the 1/2 he wasn't "hurt" anymore. he won't even let another qb finish a game. that speaks volumes.

 

[InmanRoshi]

To me, the move he made was when Bledsoe returned to good health. He kept him on the bench. That is the move that Parcells would have never made.

What do you have to base that on? When has a veteran starter gone out with injury and a young QB come in and performed even at a mediocre level only to find himself put right back on the bench when the veteran got healthy? You have no example. Its never happened here.

Again, this whole "Parcells doesn't play young players" myth all boils down to the QB position, and even then you don't have anything to hang your hat on other than "Parcells didn't stick with a player 3 years removed from football after he posted a 0 QB rating in a half of football". Wow, you're right. If that isn't an indicator tha the hates young players, I don't know what its.

 

[iceberg]

didn't brady have allpro qb ratings in 2001???

flip-flop...

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

I would like to state for the record that I believe with the defense a year in , some improvement on the O-Line and an added playmaker on offense .
I would be very comfortable and I do believe Bledose can lead us to the promised land next year....

That is not giving up on this year ...I havent , but I could really see the Boys rolling next season...

 

[wileedog]

you could win A superbowl out of luck. you don't build a dynasty that way, do you?

What part of "when it comes to the QB position, he got lucky" didn't you understand?

I'm not trying to take any credit away from Little Bill for building the rest of the team, just saying he didn't do anything special to get a 'franchise' QB that we aren't doing.

when drew was healthy, what happened?

Newsflash - Tom Brady is a better QB then Drew Bledsoe. Film at 11.

Bledsoe was also coming off two mediocre seasons in NE. At that point Belichick was probably looking for any excuse to dump him, and STILL started Bledsoe over Brady until he got hurt.

 

[superpunk]

To me, the move he made was when Bledsoe returned to good health. He kept him on the bench. That is the move that Parcells would have never made.

May I borrow your crystal ball? I have some games I'd like to wager this weekend.

Parcells has shown me that he will go with the hot hand. Just look at our RB situation this year. He wasn't afraid of hurting JJ's feelings, by giving MB3 more carries. I am confident that BP will play the best player for the team. He hasn't given me any reason to think otherwise. I'm not sure what you think he could have done about the QB situation, other than what he has done. Mortgage a draft? To move up? Who has been available? It's been revealed that Jerruh wanted to see how his POS baseball players were going to work out, before we moved on. Since then, we've had a bad situation with VT being thrown in upon QC's release, and Bledsoe, who was our best available option last year. I fail to see what could have been done differentl;y, taking everything into the equation.

 

[Doomsday101]

I can see we just don't agree on this, and obviously that's fine. But let me attempt to make my point clear one more time.

WHEN HE SAW HIS OPPORTUNITY - HE WENT IN ANOTHER DIRECTION WITH THE QB POSITION.

Was he lucky with Brady? Yes. But as soon as he saw something, he didn't hesitate.

I say, and I'll say to my grave, Bill Parcells would have never made that move. PERIOD. No way, no how.

And I guess we can debate that one too, but if you disagree with me on that point, you know in your heart that your just plain wrong.

Why not Bill made that move from Simms to Hostetler.

 

[MapleLeaf]

oh hell, hensen got to play 1/2 cause vinnie was "hurt". suddenly at the 1/2 he wasn't "hurt" anymore. he won't even let another qb finish a game. that speaks volumes.

...is unwilling to concede wins at the behest of development. That's who he is. Love it or leave it.

If I were a NFL HC I would have to agree with BP. Guys like Witten and Willimas and Newman would be second guessing their HC if a third string QB like Henson saw the field. It would be saying to the players your efforts aren't important we are now focusing solely on this kid.

Then the vets would be wondering about the previous nine wins lead by Bledsoe and wondering what type of loyalty BP has to vets who contribute to wins.

It's an age old razor's edge and BP falls on the side of the veterans.

 

[iceberg]

What part of "when it comes to the QB position, he got lucky" didn't you understand?

I'm not trying to take any credit away from Little Bill for building the rest of the team, just saying he didn't do anything special to get a 'franchise' QB that we aren't doing.



Newsflash - Tom Brady is a better QB then Drew Bledsoe. Film at 11.

Bledsoe was also coming off two mediocre seasons in NE. At that point Belichick was probably looking for any excuse to dump him, and STILL started Bledsoe over Brady until he got hurt.

you just want me to bust out my sarcasm, don't you???

bledsoe is a mediocre qb who "gets lucky" and in usual fashion he's tanked the last 1/2 of this season.

forgive me, i want more. i want a brady, or many other young opportunities out there to be given a shot. i don't like loading up a qb who's never done it, pack away a nice supply of excuses, and make 1 more run that you could never make before.

you wanna be happy with a qb who's never been there but could be if you agree with all his excuses, fine. but like i said, i want a youthful direction AT QB and a plan around that qb.

that's all.

 

[MapleLeaf]

May I borrow your crystal ball? I have some games I'd like to wager this weekend.

Parcells has shown me that he will go with the hot hand. Just look at our RB situation this year. He wasn't afraid of hurting JJ's feelings, by giving MB3 more carries. I am confident that BP will play the best player for the team. He hasn't given me any reason to think otherwise. I'm not sure what you think he could have done about the QB situation, other than what he has done. Mortgage a draft? To move up? Who has been available? It's been revealed that Jerruh wanted to see how his POS baseball players were going to work out, before we moved on. Since then, we've had a bad situation with VT being thrown in upon QC's release, and Bledsoe, who was our best available option last year. I fail to see what could have been done differentl;y, taking everything into the equation.

... a hot hand. There was a difference in performance as many were pointing out in this forum.

 

[InmanRoshi]

...is unwilling to concede wins at the behest of development. That's who he is. Love it or leave it.

Complete myth.

Why did Parcells keep untested late round rookies like Thomas Johnson and Jay Ratliff instead of keeping Leo Carson.

Why didn't Parcells go out and get a veteran RT like Scott Gragg instead of going with a rookie 6th round draft pick like Pettiti?

And why was Peerless Price let go when Patrick Crayton came back from injury?

 

[iceberg]

...is unwilling to concede wins at the behest of development. That's who he is. Love it or leave it.

If I were a NFL HC I would have to agree with BP. Guys like Witten and Willimas and Newman would be second guessing their HC if a third string QB like Henson saw the field. It would be saying to the players your efforts aren't important we are now focusing solely on this kid.

Then the vets would be wondering about the previous nine wins lead by Bledsoe and wondering what type of loyalty BP has to vets who contribute to wins.

It's an age old razor's edge and BP falls on the side of the veterans.

so what do these players do when say jjones has a fumble and is benched yet when his "boys" lob a few int's they get excuses to hide behind? do they see "fair opportunity" or more coaches boys?

can't just look 1 way. the simple fact of the matter is there's a lot more "division" of the fans than there has been in the past. despite all our arguing and whoever in the end may be right, there's usually a good reason there's such a wide disagreement on directions.

like it or not we've got problems that won't be solved in the short term.
like it or not, that's what this team is built to do even with youth at other key positions. our 'bus driver' is what the rest of the team eventually will be. history shows that's not good enough and i don't see it changing based on the moves and how they've panned out so far, such as the OL.

 

[superpunk]

you just want me to bust out my sarcasm, don't you???

bledsoe is a mediocre qb who "gets lucky" and in usual fashion he's tanked the last 1/2 of this season.

I suppose the crap-*** play of the Oline had nothing to do with Drew's decline? Try watching the game. God couldn't have won a game with the protection Drew was getting. What a shock, that when he was actually recieving adequate, not great, protection, he led the NFC in passer rating, throwing to a pair of old men. Quit hating.

 

[superpunk]

... a hot hand. There was a difference in performance as many were pointing out in this forum.

I am not quite sure what you are trying to say.

 

[Doomsday101]

Complete myth.

Why didn't Parcells go out and get a veteran RT like Scott Gragg instead of going with a rookie 6th round draft pick like Pettiti?

And why was Peerless Price let go when Patrick Crayton came back from injury?

I agree, this ideal that Bill will not go with youth? Defense has some rookies playing and same with offense. Guys like Barber who has seen quite a bit of playing time, Pettiti as you mentioned.

 

[iceberg]

I suppose the crap-*** play of the Oline had nothing to do with Drew's decline? Try watching the game. God couldn't have won a game with the protection Drew was getting. What a shock, that when he was actually recieving adequate, not great, protection, he led the NFC in passer rating, throwing to a pair of old men. Quit hating.

sigh - we knew drew needed a stellar OL.
bill didn't get him one.

look at drew year after year, not just this one. is what you see this year consistant with what he's done in his career?

 

[superpunk]

so what do these players do when say jjones has a fumble and is benched yet when his "boys" lob a few int's they get excuses to hide behind? do they see "fair opportunity" or more coaches boys?

Just go right ahead and ignore the fact that MB3 was actually producing.