This team just isn’t complete yet!

[John813]

that's what I'm saying but most of us at the time even though we wanted him thought maybe it was gonna be a one year thing that he was aging and everyone was wrong I was wrong I admit I would have signed him to a three-year deal on the spot but that's what hindsight is you can't go back and do it but yes I would have loved him here he wasn't coming here this year I mean it you know he wanted to retire a seahawk had the opportunity and took it but if you would have took the dude two years ago it gave my three-year contract you know I think we would be a lot better off right now at linebacker but again hindsight it bit us in the ***

Yea I hear ya.
Just never read that before from Wagner that there truly was mutual interest. Thought it was all Fisher level clickbait back in 2022.
I do believe this past offseason he did want to return to Seattle over jumping to another team.

 

[SlammedZero]

this is true but maybe if we would've got him when he was going to the Rams if we got him before the Rams we might still have him look I was one of those people that didn't think we should pick him up and that was a mistake in hindsight if we don't went after him and kept him here gave him a three-year deal before he went to the Rams he might not be back in Seattle so I don't know that we'll never know but you're right last year he wasn't gonna come here but when he went to the Rams we had that opportunity...

Fair enough. We should have definitely done more to get him before he signed with the Rams. John813 jut posted that link, and that was interesting, as it shows there was some form of interest there.

Also, it's crazy to me he only spent 1 season in LA. Feels longer for some reason.

 

[baltcowboy]

If they want to keep a Pollard or a player like him, need to run more of an outside zone scheme like the 49ers or Dolphins. He is a real poor fit for an inside zone scheme.

Defensively is about moving Parsons off the ball and using him as a chess piece against the pass. Find a legitimate edge defender and add more size to the linebacker group.

You don’t want a big monster at 1 tech?

 

[SuperBowlz]

Put disruptive DTs at the top. That's where super bowl contention starts. Average DT's drags down every facet of your D.

Don't you remember the difference Hankins made when he came in?

i agree with the DT part. I remember Urlacher being all world until they didn't have DTs and he was then called the most overrated player in the league. There's a ton of guys that can play LBer at an adequate level but very few can dominate at DT. LBers are sooooo dependent on DTs.

 

[SuperBowlz]

Not getting Bobby Wagner was a huge mistake.

nahhhh, not have elite DTs is the issue

 

[Cowboyny]

You don’t want a big monster at 1 tech?

We have to see if Mazi can fill that spot. Fine with bringing back Hankins for another yr until Mazi develops

 

[kevm3]

It all starts at the FO. They are comfortable putting together a 'competitive team', but aren't aggresivei enough to put together a championship team

 

[CATCH17]

Sorry, but imho you are incorrect

That’s fine but you’re ignoring the current state of the NFL.

 

[gimmesix]

Really believe this team is a run game and a defensive tweaking away from really becoming a legitimate Super Bowl contender.

Over the last 15 years, when this team has had its most successful years, it was when they had a dominant rushing attack. Barber/Murray/Zeke. . Good teams will stop one dimensional attacks. A strong running game travels and keeps the defense fresh. Also, has the ability to close out games.

Defense doesn’t need an overhaul by any means, they just are inconsistent stopping the run. When you dissect their issues, it’s due to the lack of size at the lb position and Parsons inability to set the edge. We saw how much better they were when Parsons played off the ball against the Dolphins in obvious run situations. Find a legitimate Mike linebacker and a defensive end who can at the edge.

The foolishness of this offseason wasn't cutting Elliott but doing so little to replace him. Pollard deserved the opportunity for more carries, but coming off injury and being a No. 2 back, there should have been a concerted effort to bring in a second quality back (and there were some good ones out there who were relatively cheap).

As usual, this front office went as cheap as possible and brought in Ronald Jones II to be the second back. When that failed, since we didn't draft a back until the sixth round, we were left with two UDFAs and a late-round pick vying for the job. I have nothing against Dowdle, but he's not the type of player who gives you a dominant rushing attack.

 

[visionary]

I keep seeing people saying this all over the forum. Wagner didn't want to come here. He wanted back in Seattle. He said as much publicly. He was never an option for Dallas. Everybody acts like we turned him down and snubbed him. lol

Offer him more money and watch him change his mind
The 1, 2, and 3 priority for players is money
We were cheap
Stupid and cheap

 

[baltcowboy]

We have to see if Mazi can fill that spot. Fine with bringing back Hankins for another yr until Mazi develops

Ughhhhh!!!! We need a 1 tech besides Mazi. You do realize that Hankins almost retired and is one of the worst graded defensive tackles. We also need to replace Gholston and Gallimore. Year 3 and 4 they have gotten worse.

 

[coult44]

Really believe this team is a run game and a defensive tweaking away from really becoming a legitimate Super Bowl contender.

Over the last 15 years, when this team has had its most successful years, it was when they had a dominant rushing attack. Barber/Murray/Zeke. . Good teams will stop one dimensional attacks. A strong running game travels and keeps the defense fresh. Also, has the ability to close out games.

Defense doesn’t need an overhaul by any means, they just are inconsistent stopping the run. When you dissect their issues, it’s due to the lack of size at the lb position and Parsons inability to set the edge. We saw how much better they were when Parsons played off the ball against the Dolphins in obvious run situations. Find a legitimate Mike linebacker and a defensive end who can at the edge.

You don’t have to have a running game to win. You have to be able to score in the red zone and stop teams from scoring in the red zone. You also have to win the turnover battle.

 

[EenonyMoose]

The foolishness of this offseason wasn't cutting Elliott but doing so little to replace him. Pollard deserved the opportunity for more carries, but coming off injury and being a No. 2 back, there should have been a concerted effort to bring in a second quality back (and there were some good ones out there who were relatively cheap).

As usual, this front office went as cheap as possible and brought in Ronald Jones II to be the second back. When that failed, since we didn't draft a back until the sixth round, we were left with two UDFAs and a late-round pick vying for the job. I have nothing against Dowdle, but he's not the type of player who gives you a dominant rushing attack.

I'd say the real foolishness was thinking this janky offensive line was going to hold up long enough to matter. It doesn't matter who's got the ball if they're running behind guys like Bass, Steele's one good knee, and Edoga.

 

[Chasing6]

If they pay dak 50m plus a year they won't be able to put the other pieces around him that you speak of...have to let him go and start over at qb

Never going to happen.

 

[quickccc]

Really believe this team is a run game and a defensive tweaking away from really becoming a legitimate Super Bowl contender.

Over the last 15 years, when this team has had its most successful years, it was when they had a dominant rushing attack. Barber/Murray/Zeke. . Good teams will stop one dimensional attacks. A strong running game travels and keeps the defense fresh. Also, has the ability to close out games.

Defense doesn’t need an overhaul by any means, they just are inconsistent stopping the run. When you dissect their issues, it’s due to the lack of size at the lb position and Parsons inability to set the edge. We saw how much better they were when Parsons played off the ball against the Dolphins in obvious run situations. Find a legitimate Mike linebacker and a defensive end who can at the edge.

@Cowboyny

I’m not as optimistic as you are
I think we have serious work to do on both sides of the ball .. and both sides of the line.

Offense

I think we have the RBs to be more productive ans big play than what's been displayed thus far, but I do not think we have the coaches to be as productive as they need to be.

This run block scheme is not suited to the RBs we have - it’s schemed/built for pounding bell cow backs, not all purpose backs like Pollard. And we rarely use our RBs in the pass game.

- Did you see how Bills OC Joe Brady is using, scheming RB James Cook now ? And he’s not a big bulky pounding bell cow back- they are not using him in that sense. ..unlike Mac is doing so with Pollard. When Pollard flanks out to the flat, it’s pure show and decoy.

- Look around the NFL and we still see All purpose speedy RBs like McCaffrey 49ers, ...James Cook, ..Gibbs in Det, ..ET in Jax, Mostert/Achane in Miami,.. Swift in Philly... but Mac wants to keep like the recent Zeke dayz.
- And do we ever heavily emphasize “ Misdirection “ ? Teams seem to know what we want to do run and pass wise.

- WR - Cooks is one of the fastest WRs in the NFL, and can flat run by most Cbs, but yet instead, we’re using Brandin as if he were a possession WR.
Rarely do we fly him over the top of defenses, and even then Dak overthrows him. Jet sweep him more; ..go/fly route him more.. it’s a reason why did trade for his speed ?

 

[Cowboyny]

Ughhhhh!!!! We need a 1 tech besides Mazi. You do realize that Hankins almost retired and is one of the worst graded defensive tackles. We also need to replace Gholston and Gallimore. Year 3 and 4 they have gotten worse.

Hankins remains a quality stop gap solution no matter how he is graded. Agree about Gallimore/Golston. We do have Fehoko developing, but need another.

 

[Cowboyny]

You don’t have to have a running game to win. You have to be able to score in the red zone and stop teams from scoring in the red zone. You also have to win the turnover battle.

When teams taken away the pass, you need to counter that by running the football.

 

[Cowboyny]

@Cowboyny

I’m not as optimistic as you are
I think we have serious work to do on both sides of the ball .. and both sides of the line.

Offense

I think we have the RBs to be more productive ans big play than what's been displayed thus far, but I do not think we have the coaches to be as productive as they need to be.

This run block scheme is not suited to the RBs we have - it’s schemed/built for pounding bell cow backs, not all purpose backs like Pollard. And we rarely use our RBs in the pass game.

- Did you see how Bills OC Joe Brady is using, scheming RB James Cook now ? And he’s not a big bulky pounding bell cow back- they are not using him in that sense. ..unlike Mac is doing so with Pollard. When Pollard flanks out to the flat, it’s pure show and decoy.

- Look around the NFL and we still see All purpose speedy RBs like McCaffrey 49ers, ...James Cook, ..Gibbs in Det, ..ET in Jax, Mostert/Achane in Miami,.. Swift in Philly... but Mac wants to keep like the recent Zeke dayz.
- And do we ever heavily emphasize “ Misdirection “ ? Teams seem to know what we want to do run and pass wise.

- WR - Cooks is one of the fastest WRs in the NFL, and can flat run by most Cbs, but yet instead, we’re using Brandin as if he were a possession WR.
Rarely do we fly him over the top of defenses, and even then Dak overthrows him. Jet sweep him more; ..go/fly route him more.. it’s a reason why did trade for his speed ?

As I said in another response, if they want Pollard or a similar back, they need to move to more of an outside zone scheme like we seen both the 49ers/Dolphins run. If they continue with inside zone they need more of a power back who has high level vision to see the holes developing

Been saying this over the last few seasons, we need a modern rushing scheme

 

[Cowboyny]

dude I believe you got the years mixed up that was 2014 with Tony Romo with the Dez catch no catch plus the fumble by Murray plus the two missed field goals that was a Packer game but that was with Tony Romo..

But yes we played really well in 2016 with Dez Bryant and that crew the defense didn't play well they couldn't stop Aaron Rodgers again that was 2014 and 2016 except for I believe Prescott played every bit as good if not better than Aaron Rodgers and he didn't win that game because the defense just couldn't make a stop and it's gonna be the very same thing if our defense keeps playing like this look as well as they played last year they still didn't get that interception or break up that big play on kittles and there was one drive where there was about six runs that they really couldn't stop at about 5 yards a clip the defense while they played better than the offense last year still did not show up and play playoff defense so you can keep harping on it run game or no run game..

they need to play better defense and I'd say really right now that time of possession the long drives the defense is getting up it's taking away their own freshness because they can't stop anyone and they're eating up game clock they could go to the offense so this is reciprocal my man but I'm still taking the defense as my number one issue that I have the most concerns about going into the playoffs...

If they don't get timely turnovers they just look like rod marinelli or Mike Nolan's defenses that is what we have right now sorry Dan Quinn I see you it's either opportunistic or bust I call it boom or bust this defense really can't make big time stops without the aid of a turnover...

They need to bow up and I don't care if it's against Detroit or Washington...

the playoffs are gonna be the playoffs they're gonna be their own game so let's just pray between now and then Mike McCarthy and Dan Quinn find enough adjustments groupings and packages to overcome some of these weaknesses that we have.... because let's get this straight,

all teams have weaknesses , all teams are incomplete ,

I don't see any complete teams this year there isn't anybody that can't be beat an injury here a slip here a bounce there that's all it takes, or you know the bad call referee missing something you know like having your pants pulled off and somehow that's not pass interference/holding....

That Green Bay game was lost not by the defense nor the non Dez catch, it was when Murray fumbled when we could if put them away.

No, don’t think we need an overhaul on defense, 1 real good linebacker and just a few quality role players. Do believe we probably have to move away from playing all these undersized player, which probably means a new dc and scheme

 

[coult44]

When teams taken away the pass, you need to counter that by running the football.

Old school football yes. 2023 nope…
Look at the average yards per play picked up by the best running teams. Look at the average scoring drives of the best running teams. Look at the amount of wins and points scored by the best running teams, none of those teams are the best teams in the league!!!