This was a Jerry, not McClay, draft

[Frosty]

I for one don't think EE's shelf life is limited to 5 years. He's 20 years old. He has good backups in Morris/McFadden to give him a rest. And has never suffered any leg injuries (knock on wood). I see no reason why we wouldn't give him a second contract at age 25.

One BIG reason...Stephen Jones and Money ball....they have a set price they will pay for a RB....Thats why Murray walked, and they did not sign Lamar Miller....the RB position has a fixed value assigned to it and if Zeke is as the Fans say...he will demand more than Stephen Jones will pay...

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

or if they couldnt trade with Baltimore, they could of traded with Jacksonville and they would of stole him from the Cowboys. but dont even bother. Whenever anyone points it out, like they don hear it. wierd

I know its an agenda. Not even usr why i'm wasting my time arguing.........

 

[JPostSam]

We had the 4th pick in the first two rounds, and I do not feel like we maximized the value at those picks. I attribute this to Jerry's influence, which seemed to be more prevalent this year than in the last few drafts.

1. In the first round, there was a trade back to be had with Baltimore. We didn't because Jerry did not want to risk losing EE. Even though Baltimore was not taking him. That extra pick from Baltimore could have been key in landing Lynch or Cook, whom we wanted over Dak. Jerry did not maximize the value of the 4th pick. Many will say that the only way to guarantee EE was to pick him at 4 (Baltimore could have been lying all along). That's fine. But it's also fixating on one player to the exclusion of value. But Jerry (and coaches) had to have EE. I like the player, I just don't like the process of getting him.

2. In the late first round, Jerry offered our 2nd and 3rd round picks to Seattle to trade for Lynch. Seattle traded to Denver instead. Jerry couldn't sleep because he thought he should have given more to guarantee he got him. Which affected how he looked at the next pick...

3. The second round was a panic pick. We know this because the original plan was to take Ogbah or Dodd and then trade back up into the 2nd round to take Jaylon Smith. Which means we originally valued Smith at the middle or bottom of the round. When Ogbah and Dodd were taken, we apparently had a deal with Chicago to trade back. But Jerry admitted he did pull the trigger because, again, he feared losing Smith. This was an impulse pick because of where we originally valued Smith and because Jerry couldn't sleep the night before after not giving up a little more to get Lynch. So, instead of sticking to the original valuation, he panicked and took Smith at 34. I'm not debating whether picking a "redshirt" player in the final years of "Romo's window" was the right or wrong move. I'm just saying we did not stick to our original valuation... because of Jerry.

Overall, I do not mind the picks (especially those we took in the later rounds), but this is not the draft I expected with the 4th overall pick. I am not whining, I just thought we'd be in a different place today after sitting out most of free agency.

they have minutes to make a trade.

minutes.

M-I-N-U-T-E-S.

they didn't panic, they stuck with their picks and stuck with their board.

i'm okay with how it went down.

this isn't kevin costner dealing cleveland's picks (that movie was horrible).

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Here we go. Jerry, bad. McClay, good.

What if this were a McClay draft? This team ranks third to last in drafting late round talent with a spectacular history of second round busts. All on McClay's watch. Is that just Jerry stuff?

If player turns out it was McClay, if bad it's Jones.

 

[BrassCowboy]

McFadden played 32 of his last 32 games. I also think it's disingenuous to say we were banking on him when we signed a back and of course looked at others.

The argument of course is did we need to spend a 4th to find another back to add to the mix.

Why spend the 4th on a fungible position that has a short life?

Heck we should have signed Lamar Miller and drafted Ramsey if we were interested in spending Zeke level money on a prospect.

but Miller is how old? if it is such a "fungible" position, then why do we keep talking about guys who are WAY to old to run, you know - the ones that are older than 24 years of age

This whole "shelf life" keeps getting younger and younger every time someone brings it up, and they bring it up with an agenda. RBs drop off at 30, Zeke will turn 21 when he is in training camp.

We didn't draft Ramsey, Tunsil, Stanley, Buckner, Karl Joseph or anyone else that could of been had at #4 so get over it. Your genius pick wasn't picked and in your mind, that bothers you. get over it.

Ezekiel Elliot is a Cowboy now and he is gonna tear it up. I would hope you haters of the pick would root for him, but for some to do so would hedge against their bet that it was a bad move so Cowboy fan or not, I don't expect some to root for him.

 

[scottsp]

this isn't kevin costner dealing cleveland's picks (that movie was horrible).

Hah! That movie was horrible. Breaking out tape to evaluate a player for the first time the day of the draft. I get the need for suspending disbelief when it comes to film, but those trade scenarios were asking a bit much of us.

 

[punchnjudy]

Just about every source said the team was split between Ramsey and Elliot. Jerry for Elliot, pretty everyone else for Ramsey.

That's interesting because before the draft marty hurney (former panthers gm) said on his radio show he had heard it was Bosa or zeke for dallas. I'm not sure how he would know that but based on the draft unfolded I just figured he had it right. (I hadn't listened to any of the dc.com coverage)

 

[AsthmaField]

Just about every source said the team was split between Ramsey and Elliot. Jerry for Elliot, pretty everyone else for Ramsey.

I did not hear that. I heard that there was a split in the room and that it was scouts wanting ramsey and coaches wanting Elliott.

Never did I read or hear that just Jerry wanted EE.

 

[jobberone]

I'd love to know who everyone would've wanted. It would've been great to get a pass rusher but there was none there. This was a terrible year to be bad and need a pass rusher.

This outcry can't be over Ramsey. I would've taken him AS WELL. But understand that move was far riskier and it would've done nothing to take advantage of Romo's prime years he has left.

Disagree. Pass rush and defense PROBABLY help Romo more UNLESS we get in the at least 31PPG range and better yet in the 35PPG range.

 

[Risen Star]

Well could we please fix this so we don't get two top 5 talents in the entire draft again?

 

[DFWJC]

The great myth is that if we didn't get Zeke at 4 we couldn't run the ball. Or that somehow there was a rule that we could only draft a RB in the 1st...instead of say grabbing Perkins who went in the 5th.

It's a pretty simple game of opportunity cost.

With Romo and Dez back, with adding Morris to the mix, and Collins in his 2nd year, We would have run the ball even better than last year...almost certainly.
If they wanted to add a later round back, say Perkins or the kid from La Tech...even better still.

Zeke was overkill in a huge way, IMO.
But maybe he'll be Adrian Peterson

 

[Risen Star]

I did not hear that. I heard that there was a split in the room and that it was scouts wanting ramsey and coaches wanting Elliott.

Never did I read or hear that just Jerry wanted EE.

It's very appropriate that Ramsey went to the JAGS.

He'll fit right in.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's very appropriate that Ramsey went to the JAGS.

He'll fit right in.

I know you hate him but with CBs you are just like Hostile is about kickers.

 

[zrinkill]

Just about every source said the team was split between Ramsey and Elliot. Jerry for Elliot, pretty everyone else for Ramsey.

Here we go with these nameless sources again and no links to them.

 

[BrassCowboy]

We had the 4th pick in the first two rounds, and I do not feel like we maximized the value at those picks. I attribute this to Jerry's influence, which seemed to be more prevalent this year than in the last few drafts.

1. In the first round, there was a trade back to be had with Baltimore. We didn't because Jerry did not want to risk losing EE. Even though Baltimore was not taking him. That extra pick from Baltimore could have been key in landing Lynch or Cook, whom we wanted over Dak. Jerry did not maximize the value of the 4th pick. Many will say that the only way to guarantee EE was to pick him at 4 (Baltimore could have been lying all along). That's fine. But it's also fixating on one player to the exclusion of value. But Jerry (and coaches) had to have EE. I like the player, I just don't like the process of getting him.

2. In the late first round, Jerry offered our 2nd and 3rd round picks to Seattle to trade for Lynch. Seattle traded to Denver instead. Jerry couldn't sleep because he thought he should have given more to guarantee he got him. Which affected how he looked at the next pick...

3. The second round was a panic pick. We know this because the original plan was to take Ogbah or Dodd and then trade back up into the 2nd round to take Jaylon Smith. Which means we originally valued Smith at the middle or bottom of the round. When Ogbah and Dodd were taken, we apparently had a deal with Chicago to trade back. But Jerry admitted he did pull the trigger because, again, he feared losing Smith. This was an impulse pick because of where we originally valued Smith and because Jerry couldn't sleep the night before after not giving up a little more to get Lynch. So, instead of sticking to the original valuation, he panicked and took Smith at 34. I'm not debating whether picking a "redshirt" player in the final years of "Romo's window" was the right or wrong move. I'm just saying we did not stick to our original valuation... because of Jerry.

Overall, I do not mind the picks (especially those we took in the later rounds), but this is not the draft I expected with the 4th overall pick. I am not whining, I just thought we'd be in a different place today after sitting out most of free agency.

#1 has already been talked about, you just refuse to listen. Any team could of not only traded with Baltimore, but they could of traded with Jacksonville and we would of lost that pick. Smart move not to trade down. Jerry would of traded this pick like you suggested, then someone would of moved up and 99.9% of us would be blaming Jerry for such a stupid move!

#2 is pure speculation by a fan who got his butt hurt in the draft. Deny it if you want but it is the truth. Better to just be honest and say you didn't like the first pick. This team didn't sell the farm for that trade up and 99.9% of us say great job. If we did, can you imagine the chaos? then we would be yelling at Jerry!

#3 while we were hoping for Ogbah or Dodd, the rest of this was again like #2 speculation from a fan who was butt hurt over this draft so far. He picked a player that has top 5 written all over, just might not be this year. As someone said, we traded this year's #2 for next years #1 with him. I am fine with that. This one is definitely not Jerry's style. He would of picked an Shante Carver or someone else and we would of blamed him!

So no, I think this year it was most definitely not Jerry....

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Your best running back is a 29 year old injury prone Darren McFadden and a broken down Alfred Morris yet i'm suppose to believe that this isn't a position of need but its a actual luxury? You were a injury away from having Alfred Morris and Lance Dunbar be your running backs.


So what does that mean? Their plan was to always take Smith so how is that thinking on the go?



Well I agree with you but I was just speaking hypothetically. If the worse case scenario is he gives us 5 good years and a Super Bowl then it was worth it.



Ehhh if he didn't use Elliott the majority of the game then that's when id' worry about Garret. Elliot is fine. Running backs break down at 28 or 29 and he's 20.

If he only gives us 5 good years that is about on average for what all the running backs give you anyway.

Clearly we don't see eye to eye on this...and that's fine. It's a message board...and debates are healthy. But I don't care what position someone plays....you should always more than five years out of the #4 overall pick. That's just how I see it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Here we go with these nameless sources again and no links to them.

I'll take it over your confirmation bias and assumptions without any source whatsoever.

 

[BrassCowboy]

That's interesting because before the draft marty hurney (former panthers gm) said on his radio show he had heard it was Bosa or zeke for dallas. I'm not sure how he would know that but based on the draft unfolded I just figured he had it right. (I hadn't listened to any of the dc.com coverage)

I heard our DC, the HC, Jerry and all the coaches liked Elliot while the scouts wanted Ramsey. Then I heard all scouts and our HC wanted Elliot while rest wanted Ramsey.
My theory is if they wanted Ramsey they would of drafted Ramsey, PERIOD.

 

[zrinkill]

I'll take it over your confirmation bias and assumptions without any source whatsoever.

Of course you will ....... your a sucker.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Of course you will ....... your a sucker.

Moral relativism from someone like you.

 

[Sydla]

One BIG reason...Stephen Jones and Money ball....they have a set price they will pay for a RB....Thats why Murray walked, and they did not sign Lamar Miller....the RB position has a fixed value assigned to it and if Zeke is as the Fans say...he will demand more than Stephen Jones will pay...

Yep. Elliott is now a Top 10 highest paid TB in football. Without ever taking a NFL snap. If he has a good 5 year run, he's going to want even more than $25MM guaranteed that he got now. Unless the cap explodes or the Cowboys have a ton of cap space 5 years from now, it's quite possible that Elliott might be a 5 year guy here.

The other thing that is making me chuckle now are the all pro-Elliott people that were pimping him before the draft because he was a true bellcow RB, now talking about limiting his snaps and keeping him fresh because the TB position takes a real beating. LOL.