Those interested, reports, Commanders have met with Cowher twice

[Zordon]

He just may be! Did you see Landrys record his first 6yrs?

don't do this to yourself man.

 

[Alexander]

Finally, to me, only way to fix this issue and the Cowboys is this. Create cap room, about 15 million if possible, go get 2 to 3 really good players, at least 2 of them that have played for a super bowl team and were dominant.

If you want that it will cost you a lot more than 15 million in cap space.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

He just may be! Did you see Landrys record his first 6yrs?

He coached an expansion team. He didn't even have an NFL draft in that first year to get any good players. Garrett got a franchise QB and a team that a year before had won a playoff game. Garrett coaches in the NFL where it's very easy to get in the playoffs anymore. Teams routinely go from the bottom to the top in one year. When Tom was the coach, there weren't even any wild card teams. Garrett continually makes the same mistakes over and over again. There's a better chance of Garrett being a bust than a HOF coach.

 

[MikeT22]

You know, Jerry actually feels vindicated by the Commanders going 3-13 with Shanahan and firing him. He somewhat aluded to it on the radio when he mentioned other teams firing coaches with worse records than Garrett. No doubt he watched a name like Shanahan get hired in DC with the power he was given and then end up getting fired. After last year it looked like it had paid off for them. But with RGIII's injury and Snyder's involvement there was a major rift between RGIII/Snyder and Shanahan. It all tanked this season and that was that.

But now Jerry is feeling vindicated that his way, with him in control with a learning on the job HC is better than giving power to a name coach like Snyder did. Even though it's ridiculous it's cemented in his mind even more.

 

[Alexander]

yes, he did it once. the one time we were constantly finishing last.

If that happens again, he will again pretend to admit he is clueless and temporarily hand the keys over.

He has never pretended he was clueless.

Even when Parcells was hired, he was not coming out and saying he did not know. He marketed it as him doing everything he could do to win, even by giving the illusion of surrendering "control" to Parcells. It was all another shell game designed to get the stadium and re-establish relevance that when it was all said and done, he was right back to his unique structure that he prefers.

 

[Mansta54]

quote="Zordon, post: 5397130, member: 34827"]don't do this to yourself man.[/quote]

I'm grown and can handle my own, ahh thx for the concern though. I suppose!

 

[MikeT22]

yes, he did it once. the one time we were constantly finishing last.

If that happens again, he will again pretend to admit he is clueless and temporarily hand the keys over.

Only difference is we were finishing last and he had dwindling attendance and wanted a new stadium. Now he has the stadium and revenue. Jerry handing the keys over again to a quality HC, I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

He just may be! Did you see Landrys record his first 6yrs?

nobody is going to accept your rational thoughts here. they need knee jerk reactions to sleep better at night.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Only difference is we were finishing last and he had dwindling attendance and wanted a new stadium. Now he has the stadium and revenue. Jerry handing the keys over again to a quality HC, I'll believe it when I see it.

dwindling attendance happens when you are a last place team. when you have a shot to win the division in week 17 three years in a row, you aren't a last place team.

 

[MikeT22]

dwindling attendance happens when you are a last place team. when you have a shot to win the division in week 17 three years in a row, you aren't a last place team.

I know. But you should read about the new stadium and it's seat licenses. In Texas Stadium dwindling attendance meant they were losing money. With AT&T and the naming rights, plus the guaranteed money with the seat licenses, even if people don't show up if we go 4-12 Jerry is still making his money.
I have no doubt he'd make a HC change if things really go south. But give up the keys to a prominent HC again? Doubt it.

 

[Alexander]

nobody is going to accept your rational thoughts here. they need knee jerk reactions to sleep better at night.

Comparing how Tom Landry was able to build that team and the era in which he could build it to what the landscape is right now with this GM and head coach is not "rational" in any way, shape or form.

Back then, coaches often were fixtures who spent years learning their craft. For owners, the revenue was not nearly the same nor were the risks the same. You owned players once they were under contract. You could retain your talent. Not all teams were on equal footing in terms of how they were operated. Few teams recognized the importance of the collegiate draft. We had the best organization, collected draft choices to eliminate the chance of error and routinely were able to trade players and retool.

 

[Wolfpack]

Cowher isn't a great HOF tier coach but he is a good football coach. He was a perfect guy for the well run, well managed, stable Steeler organization. He ran that team for a long time and had consistencley good success (not great) and in the NFL, that is rare. Compare his tenure at Pitt to the list of clowns that Jerry has put out as coaches post Jimmy.

That said, Bill may not thrive in the dysfunctional Commander organization or he may have the skins on the wall to take charge out of that mess…dunno, we'll see.

 

[MikeT22]

He just may be! Did you see Landrys record his first 6yrs?

LOL. Are you really going to compare the first few years of an expansion team in the pre-Super Bowl era to now? Really?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Nooooooooooooooooooo, that would suck big time, I think he's a heck of a coach.

It would suck, but if u asked me prior to Shanahan taking the job in Washington, I would say Shanahan > Cowher. Lots of playoff chokes and under achieving teams in Pittsburgh. Granted he never had a good QB until Roethlisberger, but I'd say he had a huge advantage in getting 3-4 personnel due to being the only team using that scheme for many years. Some of his best players were cast offs from other teams or late draft picks by the team themselves.

And he likely will want complete control, which is unlikely with Bruce Allen there.

 

[pjtoadie]

Comparing how Tom Landry was able to build that team and the era in which he could build it to what the landscape is right now with this GM and head coach is not "rational" in any way, shape or form.

Back then, coaches often were fixtures who spent years learning their craft. For owners, the revenue was not nearly the same nor were the risks the same. You owned players once they were under contract. You could retain your talent. Not all teams were on equal footing in terms of how they were operated. Few teams recognized the importance of the collegiate draft. We had the best organization, collected draft choices to eliminate the chance of error and routinely were able to trade players and retool.

Be careful speaking the truth to a few posters on here! You might be labeled as a "whiner" who doesn't think rationally etc.

 

[MikeT22]

I'd be surprised if Cowher came back. He's been gone for over 8 years and then to come back and work for Snyder? Then again, he could finally have the itch and/or want the $$$. But I still think it'd be a longshot.

 

[dragon_mikal]

Why are people so gung-ho over this guy?

He won't last wherever he goes. He won't be given 15 years(or however long it took him) to win it all by whoever hires him next.

It's a desperation move by the Commanders that's all. They were talking about Briles going there...now that would be a great move.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Comparing how Tom Landry was able to build that team and the era in which he could build it to what the landscape is right now with this GM and head coach is not "rational" in any way, shape or form.

Back then, coaches often were fixtures who spent years learning their craft. For owners, the revenue was not nearly the same nor were the risks the same. You owned players once they were under contract. You could retain your talent. Not all teams were on equal footing in terms of how they were operated. Few teams recognized the importance of the collegiate draft. We had the best organization, collected draft choices to eliminate the chance of error and routinely were able to trade players and retool.

pointing out similarities is a rational approach.

they both had zero head coaching experience

they both struggled heavily, even though you could see competitiveness to their teams

they both were despised early in their head coaching careers in Dallas. the owner seemed to be the only person to see anything in them. When Landry got a 10 year extension after never posting a winning record, you think people were pleased?

study your history

 

[Chocolate Lab]

pointing out similarities is a rational approach.

they both had zero head coaching experience

they both struggled heavily, even though you could see competitiveness to their teams

they both were despised early in their head coaching careers in Dallas. the owner seemed to be the only person to see anything in them. When Landry got a 10 year extension after never posting a winning record, you think people were pleased?

study your history

LOL. So every coach that had zero experience, didn't win at first, and fans didn't like is Tom Landry.

That is an absolute joke. Which is more likely, that those coaches are Tom Landry/Bill Belichick, or Jim Zorn/Dave Campo?

 

[Eric_Boyer]

LOL. So every coach that had zero experience, didn't win at first, and fans didn't like is Tom Landry.

That is an absolute joke. Which is more likely, that those coaches are Tom Landry/Bill Belichick, or Jim Zorn/Dave Campo?

no. I'm saying like Tom Landry every great coach doesn't start off great. It is a rational comparison.

he struggled. he did stupid things too from time to time. His idea of switching qb's every play was idiotic. fans wanted his head and were pissed when the owner gave him a 10 year extension.