Thoughts about the Defense

[TheDude]

It's a ragtag group overall. Very pedestrian in the trenches. The front seven really lacks difference makers. Impact players. Guys you have to scheme around.

And let me dodge a few tomatoes here and say I don't like the coaching. Not a big In Rod We Trust guy. I don't like the scheme, the rushmen nonsense and I suspect will be making changes in the near future.

If you want some positive to sooth your sensitivities, the DL isn't in worse shape than the OL was in 3 years ago. Hopefully in a few years we'll see a similarly successful rebuild but it sure isn't happening in 2014.

I just read Garrett is coaching the defense more than Marinelli this year - what is your reaction?

 

[jobberone]

It's a ragtag group overall. Very pedestrian in the trenches. The front seven really lacks difference makers. Impact players. Guys you have to scheme around.

And let me dodge a few tomatoes here and say I don't like the coaching. Not a big In Rod We Trust guy. I don't like the scheme, the rushmen nonsense and I suspect will be making changes in the near future.

If you want some positive to sooth your sensitivities, the DL isn't in worse shape than the OL was in 3 years ago. Hopefully in a few years we'll see a similarly successful rebuild but it sure isn't happening in 2014.

Throwing some of us a bone, huh. Works for me. The defense esp with a few more critical injuries could sunk or with a bit of health could be a surprise. Color me optimistic about Wilcox, Crawford, Bass, and a little with the McClain's and more with Melton.

Won't say we'll win but if decently healthy we will be in ball games more often than not.

 

[jobberone]

I just read Garrett is coaching the defense more than Marinelli this year - what is your reaction?

As my wife would say in at times broken English.....don't believe you!; always with a smile, too.

 

[TheDude]

As my wife would say in at times broken English.....don't believe you!; always with a smile, too.

On Jason Garrett taking a more active role with the defense
Barry Church: This offseason, I feel like he's been over there - shoot, more than the defensive coaches. Going through our coverages and going through our defense to get a better understanding of it. He's becoming more of a defensive coach. That's a hard thing to say because he's a quarterback.

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...oys-defender-who-s-had-the-best-offseason.ece

This could implode the board in the event the defense is good. Marinelli/Garrett will become the Finkel/Einhorn debate of 2014

ON the other hand, my vote is "Marinelli" gets synonymous with 0-16 if its a bad year

 

[Risen Star]

Throwing some of us a bone, huh. Works for me. The defense esp with a few more critical injuries could sunk or with a bit of health could be a surprise. Color me optimistic about Wilcox, Crawford, Bass, and a little with the McClain's and more with Melton.

Won't say we'll win but if decently healthy we will be in ball games more often than not.

I'm hopeful for Wilcox, Crawford, Lawrence, Bishop, maybe Gardner. I think Melton needs a year to get back to what he was.

I'm also hopeful that Bruce Carter can show that 2013 was an aberration and that Kyle Wilber can be a decent starter.

Other than that, I got nothing.

 

[Risen Star]

I just read Garrett is coaching the defense more than Marinelli this year - what is your reaction?

A head coach becoming familiar with his still new defense isn't the same thing as coaching it more than the coordinator. I don't buy that. This is Rod's ~heads bowed......moment of silence~.....defense.

 

[TheDude]

A head coach becoming familiar with his still new defense isn't the same thing as coaching it more than the coordinator. I don't buy that. This is Rod's ~heads bowed......moment of silence~.....defense.

That's fair - but apparently they have a new scheme to better use the CBs to their strengths

 

[Risen Star]

That's fair - but apparently they have a new scheme to better use the CBs to their strengths

I eagerly anticipate this CB led defense.

 

[Setackin]

Which of these players has no chance to be a decent NFL starter?

RDE
Lawrence

LDE
Selvie

3-tech DT
Melton

1-tech DT
McClain

WLB
Carter

MLB
McClain

SLB
Holloman

CB 1
Carr

CB 2
Scandrick

CB 3
Claiborne

Safety 1
Church

Safety 2
Wilcox

He didn't say individual players wouldn't be decent. He said the defense won't be good.

 

[CyberB0b]

I agree. IF, everything falls in to plan, we might be able to get a middle of the pack defense. What does that say about what happens if everything doesn't go 100% as planned? We could see a Wade Phillips like collapse.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

On Jason Garrett taking a more active role with the defense
Barry Church: This offseason, I feel like he's been over there - shoot, more than the defensive coaches. Going through our coverages and going through our defense to get a better understanding of it. He's becoming more of a defensive coach. That's a hard thing to say because he's a quarterback.

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...oys-defender-who-s-had-the-best-offseason.ece

Sounds like that Bruce Rodgers guy gets it.

I mean, I hope Church wasn't speaking literally and Garrett already understood his defense's coverages. How could he not?

 

[jobberone]

I'm hopeful for Wilcox, Crawford, Lawrence, Bishop, maybe Gardner. I think Melton needs a year to get back to what he was.

I'm also hopeful that Bruce Carter can show that 2013 was an aberration and that Kyle Wilber can be a decent starter.

Other than that, I got nothing.

I think there is too much concern about Melton but all could be right. Not sure about Lawrence whom I think will surprise with some sacks and pressure but will play inconsistently; which is normal for a rookie. I'm fine with Crawford and Bass although I seem to be the only one on the Bass bandwagon. Wilcox a big maybe. I don't know Bishop or Gardner although many seem high on both particularly Bishop. I also don't have a good feel for Carter although I suspect he will play well but that's may just be gas I'm feeling.

 

[jobberone]

Sounds like that Bruce Rodgers guy gets it.

I mean, I hope Church wasn't speaking literally and Garrett already understood his defense's coverages. How could he not?

Garrett is going to know most defenses in the league since he goes against them. But he's not going to know all the ins and outs. I applaud his willingness to get the whole enchilada.

 

[jobberone]

On Jason Garrett taking a more active role with the defense
Barry Church: This offseason, I feel like he's been over there - shoot, more than the defensive coaches. Going through our coverages and going through our defense to get a better understanding of it. He's becoming more of a defensive coach. That's a hard thing to say because he's a quarterback.

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...oys-defender-who-s-had-the-best-offseason.ece

This could implode the board in the event the defense is good. Marinelli/Garrett will become the Finkel/Einhorn debate of 2014

ON the other hand, my vote is "Marinelli" gets synonymous with 0-16 if its a bad year

I hope the latter isn't going to happen. I've seen a coach or two go 0 for and turn out okay.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Garrett is going to know most defenses in the league since he goes against them. But he's not going to know all the ins and outs.

Why not? He should.

 

[Risen Star]

I hope the latter isn't going to happen. I've seen a coach or two go 0 for and turn out okay.

You have? To my knowledge Rod ~head bowed/moment of silence~ is the only one to accomplish that feat.

I think the way the media presents that when they mention it is unfair. They had killer nicknames that year.

 

[TheDude]

You have? To my knowledge Rod ~head bowed/moment of silence~ is the only one to accomplish that feat.

I think the way the media presents that when they mention it is unfair. They had killer nicknames that year.

Landry yr1 I assume is the reference

 

[jobberone]

Why not? He should.

Because he isn't going to know as much as the defensive coaches particularly Kiffin, Marinelli, or the DB coaches. I sure as hell hope they know more about the D than the HC or OC.

 

[jobberone]

You have? To my knowledge Rod ~head bowed/moment of silence~ is the only one to accomplish that feat.

I think the way the media presents that when they mention it is unfair. They had killer nicknames that year.

Tom Landry didn't win his first year. That's off the top of my head.

 

[Risen Star]

Tom Landry didn't win his first year. That's off the top of my head.

Yes. Rod is the only one to go 0-16.

Tell me, if Rod was coaching the Commanders defense would you be taking about how you saw some relic coach go 0-fer and turn out okay or would you simply be laughing that the 0-16 Detroit loser is in D.C.?