Thursday Night NFL Preseason Thread

Denim Chicken said:
Not even that 65% completion rating last year or the 31 TDs? I think his games translates well to the NFL. We'll see how he does this year.
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Nick Foles completed nearly 70% of his passes and 28 TDs his last year at Arizona and I think he's a mediocre QB.

When I watch Kelly (which was just a handful of games), nothing really stands out about his play. Granted, last year was technically his first year playing. So it will be interesting to watch him this season.
 
It's frustrating to watch Myles Jack playing, while Smith won't touch the field this year.
 
Sydla said:
Yes they gave up the 8th pick this year but got the 2nd pick back this year. So it's a wash.

So when one says they gave up two first rounders that's kind of a silly comment because they got a first rounder back.

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Bull crap
To get the 2nd overall pick, that is what they had to spend. Two firsts and more
Period.
Straight and simple trade 101.
Don't call that silly
 
DFWJC said:
Bull crap
To get the 2nd overall pick, that is what they had to spend. Two firsts and more
Period.
Straight and simple trade 101.
Don't call that silly
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I know how the media reports it. But in reality, when talking about mortgaging the future, it's a silly concept. Because in the end, they still have a #1 pick THIS YEAR and the only picks they will actually lose where they won't have an offset are a 2nd rounder in 2018, a first rounder in 2017 and a 3rd rounder in this past draft.
 
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Sydla said:
But in reality it's totally silly when one is talking about "mortgaging the future". Because in the end, they still have a #1 pick THIS YEAR and the only picks they will actually lose where they won't have an offset are a 2nd rounder in 2018, a first rounder in 2017 and a 3rd rounder in this past draft.
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Bottom line is to get Wentz, they used
--2016 1st rd (8th overall...worth maybe two late 1sts)
--2017 1st rd (most assume it'll be early)
--2018 2nd
--2016 3rd
--2016 4th
--and they get back a 2017 5th

It's up to opinion on if that mortgages the future.
I'm just saying that was what it cost to get Wentz
 
DFWJC said:
Bottom line is to get Wentz, they used
--2016 1st rd (8th overall...worth maybe two late 1sts)
--2017 1st rd (most assume it'll be early)
--2018 2nd
--2016 3rd
--2016 4th
--and they get back a 2017 5th

It's up to opinion on if that mortgages the future.
I'm just saying that was what it cost to get Wentz
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Plus, they gave up Maxwell and Kiko Alonzo in order to get to the 8th pick in the first place... so those players were also part of what Philly gave up for Wentz.
 
DFWJC said:
Bottom line is to get Wentz, they used
--2016 1st rd (8th overall...worth maybe two late 1sts)
--2017 1st rd (most assume it'll be early)
--2018 2nd
--2016 3rd
--2016 4th
--and they get back a 2017 5th

It's up to opinion on if that mortgages the future.
I'm just saying that was what it cost to get Wentz
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That is the question: Would you have been willing to give up more than that for Wentz? The Cowboys got an extensive look at him and decided not to.
 
AsthmaField said:
Plus, they gave up Maxwell and Kiko Alonzo in order to get to the 8th pick in the first place... so those players were also part of what Philly gave up for Wentz.
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Two guys they were desperate to move the moment they canned Chip Kelly. I am still surprised Miami bailed them out.
 
School said:
That is the question: Would you have been willing to give up more than that for Wentz? The Cowboys got an extensive look at him and decided not to.
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Maybe they lowballed their offer to Cleveland to move up 2 spots?

Or maybe, they thought Wentz might fall to them and were caught off guard when the Eagles made their move a couple of weeks before the draft?
 
Sydla said:
Maybe they lowballed their offer to Cleveland to move up 2 spots?

Or maybe, they thought Wentz might fall to them and were caught off guard when the Eagles made their move a couple of weeks before the draft?
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The first is possible but I'd guess Cleveland, in an effort to seek maximum return, would've given Dallas the option of beating the Philly's offer.

I'd have to doubt the second scenario too, since there was quite a bit of chatter about teams moving up and down prior to the draft. Even San Diego was rumored to want to move down. To just stay put like that if Wenz was their true target, especially after the Rams moved up for Goff, would've been foolish.

My guess is that they liked Wentz and would've considered him if he fell to 4, but didn't like him enough to give up the kinds of assets it would've taken to move up for him, similar to how they held their ground when trying to get Lynch.
 
You may be right with that last paragraph. And if Wentz does develop and the Cowboys are walking aimlessly for a few years looking for a QB like they did during the Carter/Henson/Hutchinson era, they are going to look really foolish.
 
Sydla said:
You may be right with that last paragraph. And if Wentz does develop and the Cowboys are walking aimlessly for a few years looking for a QB like they did during the Carter/Henson/Hutchinson era, they are going to look really foolish.
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Cowboys already have a very good QB. PHI did not. It would have been foolish to give up what it would have cost for a player who'd be a backup for three quarters of his rookie contract.

However Wentz turns out, PHI ran a huge risk to get him. More often than not, those huge risks hurt more than they help.
 
Idgit said:
Cowboys already have a very good QB. PHI did not. It would have been foolish to give up what it would have cost for a player who'd be a backup for three quarters of his rookie contract.

However Wentz turns out, PHI ran a huge risk to get him. More often than not, those huge risks hurt more than they help.
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We'll never agree on this because I feel QB is the most important position on the field without any question.

Cowboys rarely are in a position to take a QB in the Top 5 so when they find themselves in the Top 5 and knowing they could be looking for a new QB in 3 years, they should have taken that opportunity.
 
Sydla said:
You may be right with that last paragraph. And if Wentz does develop and the Cowboys are walking aimlessly for a few years looking for a QB like they did during the Carter/Henson/Hutchinson era, they are going to look really foolish.
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No, they won't look foolish because Wentz/Goff were taken before their pick. It's reasonable to criticize a team for not taking an available player; it's ridiculous to criticize a team for not trading up to take a player.
 
Taking a QB at 2nd overall? That player better be a lock.

Almost no scouts put either Goff or Wentz in the "lock" category like Luck was in.

If you already have a highly paid, franchise level QB starting for your team--regardless of age--it would be almost unprecedented to burn a 2nd overall pick on a future QB.

Can someone find a case where a team has ever done this?

I'm curiously waiting for that answer.
 
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