Tired of Bledsoe Haters (my 1st real post)

[jackrussell]

i've told him time and again if he's shove less bledsoe love on us people wouldn't "hate" bledsoe to help "counter" his own stupidity.

oh well.

jerry

You would 'hate' someone because someone 'loves' someone?

Not much to base an opinion on.

 

[iceberg]

You wouldn't 'hate' someone because someone 'loves' someone?

Not much to base an opinion on.

if i pummell you 10x or more a day with crap like "godly bledsoe" "bledstud" and never waver and fall back on making junk up to keep the stupidity alive, in time you'd come to hate whatever that person is pushing just because you're sick and tired of hearing about it.

do i hold it against bledsoe personally? no. let's not get crazy. but i long for the day the mods have had enough of the "fake man love" act and tell it goodbye.

like i said, it'd not surprise me one bit if he didn't even like drew but was just doing it to yank chains.

like the troll that he is.

 

[jackrussell]

Yeah, it's annoying, no doubt. Several adages do come to mind...

...consider the source.
...let it roll off my shoulders.
...in one ear and out the other.
...did somebody say something?

You'll live longer.:

 

[dfense]

Bledsoe was put in a bad position in the Seattle game by Parcells. If you recall, Dallas had the ball inside the Seattle 20 in the 4th quarter and Parcells called run run run kick. He didn't even let Bledsoe take a shot at the endzone.

He handcuffed him all day in the rainy drizzle then asks him to go downfield with like 17 seconds left? Seattle's entire secondary was 20 yards deep. But, the SanDiego, SanFran, Philly, KC, Carolina games all mean nothing right?

 

[superpunk]

...did somebody say something?

That seems to be the necessary approach. Ignoring. Only works if everyone does it, though...

 

[joseephuss]

OK, I'll preface this by saying that I am a HUGE Aikman fan...

That being said, I don't see how you can criticize Bled4MVP for questioning whether Aikman was a "system" QB, and how he won a lot because of the players around him, then turn around and make this argument. If you want to give credit to Aikman for his titles, you have to give credit to Bledsoe for his titles (I realize their conference championships compared to Super Bowls).

You can't have it both ways. Aikman is going into the HOF, and there were critics that he may not be first ballot worthy because he had so much talent around him. Those critics drive me and most people here up the wall. But if you're going to give Aikman credit, then turn around and say Bledsoe is given too much credit for his championships since he had a great defense and special teams, then that's a double standard.

In regards to Manning v. Bledsoe, don't give me QB ratings... most overrated stat in the game. Give me wins and losses.

The QB rating is not the most overrated stat in the game. That would be the 40 time. It isn't the best and only way to evaluate a QB, but it gives a decent idea of performance. I don't rely on it alone to judge a QB and I don't see how anyone can just ignore it. It is made up of important aspects of the game such as completions percentage, yards, TDs and interceptions. Would you ignore QB rating if Bledsoe came in with a 80 plus number during the playoffs instead of his paltry 54?

I don't understand why you think I am trying to have it both ways. In the big games such as the NFC conference championship games and Superbowls, Aikman was at his best. Bledsoe was not. System or not. I have no problem with Aikman being a system QB. He played the system well, especially in the biggest games. Bledsoe has not. The system does not call for Bledsoe to throw twice as many interceptions than TDs in the playoffs. Troy was just as integral to winning those big games as Emmitt, Michael, the O-line and the defense. He held his own and then some. Bledsoe has not.

How about I look at it another way? Bledsoe does not play as well in the post season as he does in the regular season. Aikman played better in the post season than in the regular season. This time the QB rating can be used just to show the relative difference in play. Troy Aikman regular season 81.6, playoffs 89.0. Drew Bledsoe regular season 77.3, playoffs 54.9. So QB ratings mean nothing?

 

[Big Country]

Seattle game enuff said

obviously you don't remember the O-line problems???:bang2:

1st game without Flozell... enough said.

 

[TheSkaven]

He won us alot of games but at the same time lost us a few. He's a very good qb but until the oline is fixed we'll never know just how good he can become.

Bingo! Commentators are constantly harping on his lack of mobility. The guy has played in this league for over 10 years with that same mobility and he has had quite a lot of success. It's not rocket science, if the Cowboys protect Drew Bledsoe, with the weapons they have on offense, they will win a lot of games.

I live in an opposing NFC East city and the talk around here on sports radio is that the Cowboys could be scary good and you need to get to their quarterback. They know it. We know it. Let's hope this offensive line can withstand the pressure.

 

[jackrussell]

That seems to be the necessary approach. Ignoring. Only works if everyone does it, though...

I don't agree. I ignore, and it works for me.

 

[superpunk]

I don't agree. I ignore, and it works for me.

I meant from the standpoint of making it stop completely. For everyone's benefit.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Bingo! Commentators are constantly harping on his lack of mobility. The guy has played in this league for over 10 years with that same mobility and he has had quite a lot of success.

"Quite a lot of success"?

Where?

The last time Drew Bledsoe actually led a team into the playoffs was over 5 years ago... 5 #$%&*& years... You must measure success differently than I do.

It's not rocket science, if the Cowboys protect Drew Bledsoe, with the weapons they have on offense, they will win a lot of games.

I'm stunned by that revelation... It never occurred to me before that criteria applied to quarterbacks.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

obviously you don't remember the O-line problems???:bang2:

1st game without Flozell... enough said.

I remember the first Washington game WITH Flozel in there... How many points did we score? One touchdown on a "gimmick" call?

Pardon me while I don't acknowledge the point-making machine known as Drew Bledsoe.

 

[Jarv]

Rotflmao, thanks good one.

I've seen them at least 20 times...lol.

Coulda come up with a ton more. Nice pic bro...Roger Dean always made the best covers.

 

[RCowboyFan]

I remember the first Washington game WITH Flozel in there... How many points did we score? One touchdown on a "gimmick" call?

Pardon me while I don't acknowledge the point-making machine known as Drew Bledsoe.

Winki strikes back with passion

 

[iceberg]

I remember the first Washington game WITH Flozel in there... How many points did we score? One touchdown on a "gimmick" call?

Pardon me while I don't acknowledge the point-making machine known as Drew Bledsoe.

maybe it's the dogged determination the apologists have to shove drew and he manliness upon us that makes the sane person resort to extreme counter measures just to "keep it real". so much like winicki here, i find myself bashing just to get drew back to where he belong.

usually just above the average qb overall.

 

[MinnesotaCowboy]

Winki strikes back with passion

I note that he has "struck back with passion" on several occasions during his romp through this thread!:laugh1:

 

[cml750]

I don't hate Bledsoe It's just I don't see him being the QB to lead us to a Superbowl. I am ready for a new young QB to take over. I believe Bledsoe is highly overrated. He has a lot of stats but has never really won anything. His record against teams with a lot of wins says a lot. Superstar QB's don't end up on three different teams! The sooner we have a youth movement at the QB position the sooner they will get the experience they need to lead us to a SB. Henson or Romo may or may not be the young QB to lead us but we will never find out with them holding a clipboard. Let the young guys play like they should have the last two years!!

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I note that he has "struck back with passion" on several occasions during his romp through this thread!:laugh1:

Well... yeah.

 

[Hostile]

Well... yeah.

You weren't abrasive enough. Come to NYC in 2 weeks (please) and I'll give you some pointers.

 

[peplaw06]

The QB rating is not the most overrated stat in the game. That would be the 40 time. It isn't the best and only way to evaluate a QB, but it gives a decent idea of performance. I don't rely on it alone to judge a QB and I don't see how anyone can just ignore it. It is made up of important aspects of the game such as completions percentage, yards, TDs and interceptions. Would you ignore QB rating if Bledsoe came in with a 80 plus number during the playoffs instead of his paltry 54?

I don't understand why you think I am trying to have it both ways. In the big games such as the NFC conference championship games and Superbowls, Aikman was at his best. Bledsoe was not. System or not. I have no problem with Aikman being a system QB. He played the system well, especially in the biggest games. Bledsoe has not. The system does not call for Bledsoe to throw twice as many interceptions than TDs in the playoffs. Troy was just as integral to winning those big games as Emmitt, Michael, the O-line and the defense. He held his own and then some. Bledsoe has not.

How about I look at it another way? Bledsoe does not play as well in the post season as he does in the regular season. Aikman played better in the post season than in the regular season. This time the QB rating can be used just to show the relative difference in play. Troy Aikman regular season 81.6, playoffs 89.0. Drew Bledsoe regular season 77.3, playoffs 54.9. So QB ratings mean nothing?

OK, I should have been more specific... I wasn't referring to you specifically Jos. I was referring to the generic you... People that hate it when Aikman get's not credit for the Cowboys success because he had all the talent around him. If you want to give Aikman credit for his accomplishments, then you must give Bledose credit for his. Sane people know that a QB can't do it all. If you hate it when people criticize Aikman, then turn around and discount Bledsoe's accomplishments because he had great talent around him, then I'm talking to you.

As for QB rating, I didn't say it "meant nothing." I said it's the most overrated stat in the game. People give it too much weight. Teams win games all the time with awful QB ratings... see SB XL. And to answer your question, yes I would ignore Bledsoe's QB rating if he went into the playoffs with 50 instead of 80 QB rating. The bottom line would be, he got us into the playoffs, so he must be doing something right. Once you're in the playoffs anything can happen.

Also no stat fluctuates more than QB rating. I don't even know how they calculate it, I really don't care. But look at Manning's QB ratings in his playoff games. One perfect, 2 other good ratings, and 6 awful ratings. Do you really think that Manning is that inconsistent? Or is there more that should be taken into account? I.e, the flow of the game, are they behind trying to play catch up, how's the weather, etc. If Ben Roethlisberger can have a 98.6 QB rating in the regular season and win the SB with the lowest QB rating ever to win the game, that tells me it's overrated. They don't even put that stat in the box score (that's why I can't find the number, but I know it was low).

The 40 time is not a stat any more than height and weight, or hand size is. It's a measurable to try to give a "value" to an athlete.