Tired of Bledsoe Haters (my 1st real post)

[superpunk]

Michael

The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.

 

[Jarv]

I don't understand how people today think Brett Favre is
the second coming.Yes,he has had a great career,but he's
nothing but a gunslinger the last few years.As always,you're
only as good as the cast around you.Heck.what would this board
be like if they were in the playoffs and Bledsoe just heaves the ball
down the field without even looking!Btw,and that was an interception,
much worse than any miscue i've ever seen,and yet the man gets
a pass.I only care about who leads our team,and quite honestly,i
believe we did good getting Bledsoe.

Yeah Farve has had a roundabout career...But you know Maddan is always saying and you and I Brett...When he throws it he just Going for the one...TD.

But hey, he's like a Starship trooper...

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I have not read the entire 6 pages of this thread so if I'm covering traveled territory, please accept my appoligy in advance.

You may think that Bledsoe is great or terrible or whatever but the one thing I will say is that Winicki called this season before we ever played a down. He said what would happen and it pretty much has. You can explain the season in any way you would like but to me, it is what it is. I give Mike props because what he predicted did come to pass. That can not be disputed.

I thank you for that ABQ.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I thank you for that ABQ.

Not neccesary Mike. All anybody has to do is search the archives to see it's true.

 

[superpunk]

Not neccesary Mike. All anybody has to do is search the archives to see it's true.

Yeah...but who can trust anybody with a Marx avatar?

Sounds sketchy to me.

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

Reality?

You haven't proven anything.

Some of Bledsoe's stats look good but once you factor in longevity and the era in which he played those stats, for example--yardage, are pretty pedestrian.

And then when you start really focusing on stats like completion percentage, and TD's per 100 attempts and average yardage gained per attempt his stats really start to look... in some cases... darned poor.

You continually bad mouth QB's like Manning and even Aikman to some extent but your statistics and your logic leave a great deal to be desired.

You have no solid "defense" for those that pick-on Drews weak points as a QB like his lack of mobility, average accuracy, slow reaction time and most of all his inability to transform passing yardage into points.

I'm sure you'll come back with some weak-kneed argument that contains nothing of fact-- just your perceptions, a bunch of "ifs" and a few rips on other QB's like Manning and Aikman.

Your shtick is getting relatively old.

I simply have asked you and others to CONSIDER the possibilities and think...use your imagination...this is all. I know that I'm not the only intelligent poster here, there's plenty of them....But obviously you only care about the bottom line....and to you and most others it's: 'bledsoe is average, not a hof qb, who cares about his career numbers because he hasn't won a world title, etc etc'.

Another thing, you are from the western NY area...FACT or fiction: Tom Donahoe was FIRED by the Buffalo Bills organization? What does this tell you (pertaining to bledsoe and building an offense around him)? I'll save you the trouble....he failed and failed miserably. Ralph Wilson and 90% of the bills fans know this but are too proud to admit they let the best thing that has happened to their franchise walk because they bought into the donahoe/mularkey propaganda and though Bledsoe truly was at fault.

And yes comparing Bledsoe to manning....I will ask this again what is his career playoff record? How many superbowls has he won? How many has he been to for that matter? How many times has he led his team to victory over good defensive teams? What's his career record without edgerinn james? (just wait until this season and that will answer itself). If you like I will get links and post the FACTUAL information for you. Do you or do you not believe manning has tons of great offensive talent around him? But let me guess...since his career playoff QB rating is better than Bledsoe that means he's a better QB right?

Also when have I bad mouthed aikman? Because I ask what kind of QB he MIGHT have been without all the talent? Just another average system qb or would he still have won 3 world titles...Yes we will never know that because your right it's an IF scenario and he's won 3 world titles and his career is long over. He is an all time great and I have nothing really negative to say about the man except I don't understand what his beef is with this team nowadays....

And yes, I keep forgetting i'm a troll with a 'schict' because i don't agree with everybody here and like to engage in debates about bledsoe.

 

[DragonCowboy]

People act like Drew Bledsoe was the cause of us losing last year???.......Drew Bledsoe has been nothing but a blessing to this team. It seem like everytime I get on here and I read threads its people that call themselves Cowboy fans accusing him and comparing him to another teams quarterback? You cant compare quarterbacks from different teams to the quarterback that we have here because those are different systems! How can you compare Big Ben to Drew Bledsoe.... Last time I checked Pittsburgh is a dominate run team with a dominuate defense and Ben never usually throws more than 15 times a game but you compare him to Drew? Unfortunately we dont have a run dominate team like them so you cant compare them! You say Drew Bress he also had LT and Antonio Gates? You say Peyton Manning but he had James, Harrison & Wayne and a great offensive line.... Have you ever seen how bad he messes him when he is rushed?!?!? and you talk about Bledsoe? I not making excused im just stating facts....thats all quarterbacks play with different systems and there teams are totally different than the Cowboys. I mean how do you know if these quarterbacks would be any good in Dallas? The thing is you dont know? He may not be the Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and these other quarterbacks you guys wanted but you have to look at it this way would these other guys fit into the system that we run in Dallas???? I dont think so....Drew Bledsoe is the perfect QB for this team and all the coaches of the Cowboys know that! Everybody always say its only because of Bill Parcells.....He is a smart coach and he knows that Bledsoe fits into the superbowl run that we are going to make this season. As a matter of fact there were a couple games last year when our offensive line was messed up and you seen Bledsoe scrabbling out of the pocket to make plays himself to try to the win game.......you cant fault him! We missed the playoffs because of field goals kicks not Bledsoe! He is an awesome qb but he wont get the credit he deserves until we win a championship because no one wants to see his positives and that includes Cowboys fans!

Great Post...

The thing is, IMO, that Bledsoe is not the bus driver we had in all our QBs after Troy. Bledsoe doesn't manage the games, he goes out and wins them. If he loses some games on the way, it's fine. Atleast he's winning more games than he's losing...

 

[Jarv]

Great Post...

The thing is, IMO, that Bledsoe is not the bus driver we had in all our QBs after Troy. Bledsoe doesn't manage the games, he goes out and wins them. If he loses some games on the way, it's fine. Atleast he's winning more games than he's losing...

Yep, 9-7 is winning more than he loses.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Yep, 9-7 is winning more than he loses.

Yep Jarv... he knocked my socks off. How about yours?

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

Yep, 9-7 is winning more than he loses.

Good to see you agree jarv.....the key here has always been Drew WINNING games HIMSELF, not just managing them.

 

[yesfan]

Yeah Farve has had a roundabout career...But you know Maddan is always saying and you and I Brett...When he throws it he just Going for the one...TD.

But hey, he's like a Starship trooper...

Rotflmao, thanks good one.

 

[joseephuss]

I simply have asked you and others to CONSIDER the possibilities and think...use your imagination...this is all. I know that I'm not the only intelligent poster here, there's plenty of them....But obviously you only care about the bottom line....and to you and most others it's: 'bledsoe is average, not a hof qb, who cares about his career numbers because he hasn't won a world title, etc etc'.

Another thing, you are from the western NY area...FACT or fiction: Tom Donahoe was FIRED by the Buffalo Bills organization? What does this tell you (pertaining to bledsoe and building an offense around him)? I'll save you the trouble....he failed and failed miserably. Ralph Wilson and 90% of the bills fans know this but are too proud to admit they let the best thing that has happened to their franchise walk because they bought into the donahoe/mularkey propaganda and though Bledsoe truly was at fault.

And yes comparing Bledsoe to manning....I will ask this again what is his career playoff record? How many superbowls has he won? How many has he been to for that matter? How many times has he led his team to victory over good defensive teams? What's his career record without edgerinn james? (just wait until this season and that will answer itself). If you like I will get links and post the FACTUAL information for you. Do you or do you not believe manning has tons of great offensive talent around him? But let me guess...since his career playoff QB rating is better than Bledsoe that means he's a better QB right?

Also when have I bad mouthed aikman? Because I ask what kind of QB he MIGHT have been without all the talent? Just another average system qb or would he still have won 3 world titles...Yes we will never know that because your right it's an IF scenario and he's won 3 world titles and his career is long over. He is an all time great and I have nothing really negative to say about the man except I don't understand what his beef is with this team nowadays....

And yes, I keep forgetting i'm a troll with a 'schict' because i don't agree with everybody here and like to engage in debates about bledsoe.

Manning is 3-6 in the playoffs with a QB rating of 89.1. His best playoff game was a 158.33(highest on the scale) and his lowest was 31.25. In 5 of those games, his QB rating was over 80. The remaining 4 games his rating was below 70.

Bledsoe is 4-3 in the playoffs. One of those victories he came in as the back up. His QB rating in the playoffs is 54.9. His highest rating is only 77.9 and his lowest rating is 38.33.

I think Manning still has something to prove in the post season. When he is bad, he is very bad, but he has played some good playoff games. I think it is very fair to criticize Manning's post season. He hasn't done it when the pressure is on. Bledsoe is given too much credit for 2 AFC championships. The truth is that he just held on while the defense and special teams won those games. He has played just as poorly as Manning in the post season. Manning even has more appearances.

 

[burmafrd]

Give Bledsoe protection and he can carve up any D. That is the whole story. he cannot improvise or scramble. He is the definition of the pure pocket QB.
He is by far the best QB we have had since about 1998. Also absolute.
As regards his career stats: just how many seasons did he have the surrounding cast to really excell? Maybe 2-3 years at the Pats- 1 at the Bills. So he has had perhaps 3-4 seasons where he had the tools. That is not much. Right now this year he will have a better set of Receivers then he has EVER had. No one in the NFL has the wr/TE combo we have. We have 3 young RB's that can really hurt a D. We have an improving D that should be really nasty this year. UNFORTUNEATLY we also have some questions on the O line. As the O line goes this year so will the team.
BUT if the O line does a good job (not great, just good) then BLedsoe could have a career year.

 

[kartr]

People act like Drew Bledsoe was the cause of us losing last year???.......Drew Bledsoe has been nothing but a blessing to this team. It seem like everytime I get on here and I read threads its people that call themselves Cowboy fans accusing him and comparing him to another teams quarterback? You cant compare quarterbacks from different teams to the quarterback that we have here because those are different systems! How can you compare Big Ben to Drew Bledsoe.... Last time I checked Pittsburgh is a dominate run team with a dominuate defense and Ben never usually throws more than 15 times a game but you compare him to Drew? Unfortunately we dont have a run dominate team like them so you cant compare them! You say Drew Bress he also had LT and Antonio Gates? You say Peyton Manning but he had James, Harrison & Wayne and a great offensive line.... Have you ever seen how bad he messes him when he is rushed?!?!? and you talk about Bledsoe? I not making excused im just stating facts....thats all quarterbacks play with different systems and there teams are totally different than the Cowboys. I mean how do you know if these quarterbacks would be any good in Dallas? The thing is you dont know? He may not be the Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and these other quarterbacks you guys wanted but you have to look at it this way would these other guys fit into the system that we run in Dallas???? I dont think so....Drew Bledsoe is the perfect QB for this team and all the coaches of the Cowboys know that! Everybody always say its only because of Bill Parcells.....He is a smart coach and he knows that Bledsoe fits into the superbowl run that we are going to make this season. As a matter of fact there were a couple games last year when our offensive line was messed up and you seen Bledsoe scrabbling out of the pocket to make plays himself to try to the win game.......you cant fault him! We missed the playoffs because of field goals kicks not Bledsoe! He is an awesome qb but he wont get the credit he deserves until we win a championship because no one wants to see his positives and that includes Cowboys fans!

Maybe you've been under a rock, but we made the playoffs a couple of years ago with a lesser experienced qb and running back. We also the beat Bledsoe that same year with those same players while Bledsoe hasn't gotten a team to the playoffs in 8 years despite having an excellent supporting cast. In the game against Bledsoe's Bills, he made the critical fumble, not our lesser experienced qb, who threw the only td pass of the game, our lesser experienced qb, not Bledsoe. As for last year, Bledsoe lost at least four games by himself, the Raiders, the Commanders, the Hawks and the Broncos. He makes the same errors in judgement now that he did in his first 3 years and the best OL in the league can't fix that problem.

 

[kartr]

I agree with the first poster. Brew Dedsloe is teh gratest qarterback evar!!!!one!!!!!!!!

 

[peplaw06]

I think Manning still has something to prove in the post season. When he is bad, he is very bad, but he has played some good playoff games. I think it is very fair to criticize Manning's post season. He hasn't done it when the pressure is on. Bledsoe is given too much credit for 2 AFC championships. The truth is that he just held on while the defense and special teams won those games. He has played just as poorly as Manning in the post season. Manning even has more appearances.

OK, I'll preface this by saying that I am a HUGE Aikman fan...

That being said, I don't see how you can criticize Bled4MVP for questioning whether Aikman was a "system" QB, and how he won a lot because of the players around him, then turn around and make this argument. If you want to give credit to Aikman for his titles, you have to give credit to Bledsoe for his titles (I realize their conference championships compared to Super Bowls).

You can't have it both ways. Aikman is going into the HOF, and there were critics that he may not be first ballot worthy because he had so much talent around him. Those critics drive me and most people here up the wall. But if you're going to give Aikman credit, then turn around and say Bledsoe is given too much credit for his championships since he had a great defense and special teams, then that's a double standard.

In regards to Manning v. Bledsoe, don't give me QB ratings... most overrated stat in the game. Give me wins and losses.

 

[peplaw06]

Maybe you've been under a rock, but we made the playoffs a couple of years ago with a lesser experienced qb and running back. We also the beat Bledsoe that same year with those same players while Bledsoe hasn't gotten a team to the playoffs in 8 years despite having an excellent supporting cast. In the game against Bledsoe's Bills, he made the critical fumble, not our lesser experienced qb, who threw the only td pass of the game, our lesser experienced qb, not Bledsoe. As for last year, Bledsoe lost at least four games by himself, the Raiders, the Commanders, the Hawks and the Broncos. He makes the same errors in judgement now that he did in his first 3 years and the best OL in the league can't fix that problem.

OK if Bled4MVP is a troll... this is the King of Trolls. Lost 4 games by himself?? that's all I have to say about that

 

[Bob Sacamano]

drew just suffers from the collateral damage these stainwads inflict.

why can't people just argue intelligently, with a clear and level-head, to shut him up? Nors light pisses me off just as much as he does you guys, but I don't get caught up in it and criticize Bledsoe to spite him

Michael Winichi does it because Bledsoe didn't sign an autograph hehe

 

[kartr]

owned your clueless if you think that

now Keyshawn is a subpar receiver. Is that what your inferring?
cause i couldn't disagree more.
He was under pressure because he wants to hold the ball too long,
too often.
Being 7-9 or 8-8 or 9-7 its all .500 to me
THANKS DREW .... but we deserve better
our O-line stunk , injury is part of the game...that's where coaching,
play-calling,trick-plays,prayer, or smoke and mirrors come into play.

we don't need no stinkin' excuses
just RESULTS BABY,just RESULTS

Didn't Brady last year have a banged up offensivie, a banged up RB and no-name receivers, also a banged up DL and a scrub secondary, yet he still gets his team into the playoffs. Excuses seem to follow Bledsoe like a black cloud. Blame it on the rain or earth wind and fire, but never blame him.

 

[iceberg]

why can't people just argue intelligently, with a clear and level-head, to shut him up? Nors light pisses me off just as much as he does you guys, but I don't get caught up in it and criticize Bledsoe to spite him

Michael Winichi does it because Bledsoe didn't sign an autograph hehe

it's been tried, summer. we've all TRIED to talk in level headed terms, but it all comes back to his manlove for drew. his own stories flop around, a stat is important if it supports drew, but not if it doesn't...

he's 14 years old in so many ways clear thinking eludes him and he runs around saying he's "enlightened". HE TROLLS FOR REACTION.

that's all. as long as he gets it, nothing else matters to him. the funny part is he may even HATE drew but just does this to piss people off.

yea, you go talk rational to him and let me know how that works for you. the rest of us will be over here testing the "ignore" feature.