Tired of Jerry vs Jimmy

[tecolote]

this gets brought up a lot so let me put this to bed

look at jerry's decision-making history where football is concerned, he does not hire the most competent person to do the job, he hires the people he "is comfortable with"

he hired jimmy for 2 reasons: 1) jerry knew he was in over his head and needed someone who could handle the football side of things 2) because he and jimmy were buddies

do you think for a second he would have hired jimmy if he and jimmy were not buddies? NO
do you think jerry would have hired jimmy if he felt jimmy would be an 'adequate' coach but was his friend? YES

the reality is that the over-riding quality for which jimmy was hired was that jimmy was jerry's buddy not because he was a great football coach, jerry had no context to be able to evaluate that (even now he has no idea how to evaluate people for their football acumen)

jerry made that decision on the same basis as he has made practically every other football decision: nepotism (give the job to a friend or family member)

it just so happened that jimmy turned out to be a great coach and coming from the college ranks knew the players well and picked the right ones

can you imagine the grief he would have got if jimmy turned out to be a failure? having just unceremoniously fired a living legend in Landry?

jerry used up all his luck the day he hired jimmy but please dont confuse the reasons for that decision, it was very much a result of the same flawed process (nepotism and jerry's comfort level) that has given us a decade and a half of mediocrity

I don't know why he hired Jimmy, I don't live inside his head like you seem to do, the fact is he did and he deserves credit for it. Jumping through all those hoops just to not give the man his due seems pointless to me. You can't rewrite history.

 

[jnday]

I don't know why he hired Jimmy, I don't live inside his head like you seem to do, the fact is he did and he deserves credit for it. Jumping through all those hoops just to not give the man his due seems pointless to me. You can't rewrite history.

So Jerry gets credit tie hiring the top college coach that happened to be a good friend of his. I would say that the decision was a no-brainer even for Jerry. I will give him credit for that one decision. I will also give Jerry credit for ruining the team that Jimmy built. If Jerry would have been involved with the personnel decisions during Jimmy's tenure like he is today, there would have been no great Dallas teams during the 90s.

 

[visionary]

I don't know why he hired Jimmy, I don't live inside his head like you seem to do, the fact is he did and he deserves credit for it. Jumping through all those hoops just to not give the man his due seems pointless to me. You can't rewrite history.

jimmy had control of personnel decisions while that team was being built, it was in his contract

you are the one wanting to re-write history

 

[coogrfan]

I'm not sure your making the point you meant to make with this. If Jerry had hired Matt Millen for 8 years there would be a 100% agreement that he is the worst owner in the league. At least now some people will begrudgingly admit he's pretty good as an owner.

Jerry's choice of GM has been on the job for two decades despite being only marginally more successful than Millen was. That doesn't sound like a pretty good owner to me.

 

[Dodger12]

Switzer has 3 national championships to Jimmys 1 and had a 5-3 record against Jimmy as a college coach so it's not like Barry didn't know his way around a locker room.

No one should question Switzer's ability as a college coach and a great recruiter. But he had issues with NCAA violations at the time he retired although I don't know if they were true or not. At the end of the day, if Switzer was hired instead of Johnson in 1989, I'm not sure a whole lot of folks would have had any issue with that; Switzer was one of the premier names in college football. But Switzer wasn't hired after Jimmy's departure because of his coaching prowess. He had been sitting on his couch for almost 4 years. Jerry wanted to prove to world that any one of 500 coaches really could win with that team and he needed a yes man who had no other job opportunities.

 

[OhSnap]

No one should question Switzer's ability as a college coach and a great recruiter. But he had issues with NCAA violations at the time he retired although I don't know if they were true or not. At the end of the day, if Switzer was hired instead of Johnson in 1989, I'm not sure a whole lot of folks would have had any issue with that; Switzer was one of the premier names in college football. But Switzer wasn't hired after Jimmy's departure because of his coaching prowess. He had been sitting on his couch for almost 4 years. Jerry wanted to prove to world that any one of 500 coaches really could win with that team and he needed a yes man who had no other job opportunities.

Switzer done what he was asked to do but if Jerry purely wanted to prove any of 500 coaches could coach that team he coulda picked someone with less credentials. Either way it doesn't add up that Switzer comes out of the deal with people saying he was a bad coach. It's typical selective memory stuff that he get credit for the back to back 4 and 1 call but none of the calls that won a super bowl.

 

[Rockport]

Here's some reality for ya:

NFC teams that have played in a Conf. Championship Game since the Cowboys last appearance in 1995:

• Philly (5)
• Green Bay (4)
• San Francisco (4)
• Atlanta (3)
• Carolina (3)
• Minnesota (3)
• New York (3)
• Chicago (2)
• New Orleans (2)
• St Louis (2)
• Tampa Bay (2)
• Seattle (2)
• Arizona (1)

There are only three teams in the NFC that haven't achieved a damn thing in the last 18 years: Washington, Detroit and us. Only one of those franchises has an owner who accepts mediocrity. I'll let you work out who that is.

Good info. Jerry has totally ruined this football team from a on the field competitive perspective. Can't believe some people still support him. His a horrible owner and and even worse GM. Built a horrible stadium to watch football in. Sure he's making tons of money, but at the expense of my beloved Cowboys football teams. If he was the GM and not owner of any other team and he would've been fired years ago.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Switzer done what he was asked to do but if Jerry purely wanted to prove any of 500 coaches could coach that team he coulda picked someone with less credentials. Either way it doesn't add up that Switzer comes out of the deal with people saying he was a bad coach. It's typical selective memory stuff that he get credit for the back to back 4 and 1 call but none of the calls that won a super bowl.

I would bet that Aikman and company didn't execute one single idea that Switzer put put there fir them. That's if he did anything other than stand on sidelines.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Unfortunately Jerry is a tyrannical dictator who is running our team into the gutter, we can't do anything about him because he's too powerful and the splintered fan base is unable to organize against him,,, this kind of thing seems to be happening a lot lately.

 

[OhSnap]

Jerry's choice of GM has been on the job for two decades despite being only marginally more successful than Millen was. That doesn't sound like a pretty good owner to me.

Maybe not but hiring Millen and keeping him around for 8 years would make him sound like a much much worse one to me.

 

[OhSnap]

I would bet that Aikman and company didn't execute one single idea that Switzer put put there fir them. That's if he did anything other than stand on sidelines.

Most people would agree with you but they would also be comfortable agreeing that Switzer made the 4-1 calls back to back but for both to be true he would have to had never called another play after that.

 

[Dodger12]

Switzer done what he was asked to do but if Jerry purely wanted to prove any of 500 coaches could coach that team he coulda picked someone with less credentials. Either way it doesn't add up that Switzer comes out of the deal with people saying he was a bad coach. It's typical selective memory stuff that he get credit for the back to back 4 and 1 call but none of the calls that won a super bowl.

You don't pull someone off the college couch who's been sitting there for 4 years because you feel he's the best qualified for the NFL job. That's kind of crazy.

And it's not just the two 4th and 1 calls although that may be an all-time NFL blooper. It's also piss poor clock management at the end of the first half of the 94 NFC Championship game when we battled back to within a touchdown after being down 3. You run out the clock and go into the game down by 7 when you were down 21 - 0 at the start of the game. It's the complete lackadaisical approach to practice and the team which eroded it's very foundation. It's allowing your cronies to leak reports that Aikman was gay. It's allowing an assistant coach, who later because HC at Oklahoma, to spread the rumor that Aikman was a racist (to which both Haley and Irvin denied and came to Aikman's defense). When the HC completely throws his franchise QB and his meal ticket under the bus, that HC is a loser.

If anyone watched the story of the 1995 season during Cowboys Week last week, there was a telling story by Daryl Johnston who was told by his position coach that winning the Superbowl in 1995 was the single greatest feat he had witnessed. When Moose ask his coach why that was, he replied that the team won the Superbowl in spite of it's coaching.

There's nothing selective about it; Switzer was a horrendous hire and was also instrumental in destroying the fabric of a championship team.

 

[OhSnap]

You don't pull someone off the college couch who's been sitting there for 4 years because you feel he's the best qualified for the NFL job. That's kind of crazy.

And it's not just the two 4th and 1 calls although that may be an all-time NFL blooper. It's also piss poor clock management at the end of the first half of the 94 NFC Championship game when we battled back to within a touchdown after being down 3. You run out the clock and go into the game down by 7 when you were down 21 - 0 at the start of the game. It's the complete lackadaisical approach to practice and the team which eroded it's very foundation. It's allowing your cronies to leak reports that Aikman was gay. It's allowing an assistant coach, who later because HC at Oklahoma, to spread the rumor that Aikman was a racist (to which both Haley and Irvin denied and came to Aikman's defense). When the HC completely throws his franchise QB and his meal ticket under the bus, that HC is a loser.

If anyone watched the story of the 1995 season during Cowboys Week last week, there was a telling story by Daryl Johnston who was told by his position coach that winning the Superbowl in 1995 was the single greatest feat he had witnessed. When Moose ask his coach why that was, he replied that the team won the Superbowl in spite of it's coaching.

There's nothing selective about it; Switzer was a horrendous hire and was also instrumental in destroying the fabric of a championship team.

I prefer to think it was free agency and bad drafting that destroyed the fabric of a championship team and Skip Bayless trying to sell books that spread rumors around. Blaming Switzer for "allowing" anyone to do anything is lame. Might as well blame him for the players gettin older too.

 

[Dodger12]

I prefer to think it was free agency and bad drafting that destroyed the fabric of a championship team and Skip Bayless trying to sell books that spread rumors around. Blaming Switzer for "allowing" anyone to do anything is lame. Might as well blame him for the players gettin older too.

All the above, including Switzer, were instrumental to the decline of the team. Switzer never spoke out in support of his franchise QB when one of Switzer's staff started the rumor(s). Switzer and Aikman had no love lost between them. But Switzer was the HC and Aikman was his golden goose. You put a stop to it. Instead, John Blake gets the HC job at Oklahoma, no doubt with Switzer's blessing. There's nothing lame about it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

While it is fun to slam Jones, it's not as if Johnson was swimming in success with Marino and Miami.

One explanation could be that they could not win without the other. Those 90's teams were a creation of both men and both men deserve credit.

jimmy had control of personnel decisions while that team was being built, it was in his contract

you are the one wanting to re-write history

He says that is the case. Jones says he had the same power. Shall we discuss the meaning of mutual exclusivity?

 

[john van brocklin]

You don't pull someone off the college couch who's been sitting there for 4 years because you feel he's the best qualified for the NFL job. That's kind of crazy.

And it's not just the two 4th and 1 calls although that may be an all-time NFL blooper. It's also piss poor clock management at the end of the first half of the 94 NFC Championship game when we battled back to within a touchdown after being down 3. You run out the clock and go into the game down by 7 when you were down 21 - 0 at the start of the game. It's the complete lackadaisical approach to practice and the team which eroded it's very foundation. It's allowing your cronies to leak reports that Aikman was gay. It's allowing an assistant coach, who later because HC at Oklahoma, to spread the rumor that Aikman was a racist (to which both Haley and Irvin denied and came to Aikman's defense). When the HC completely throws his franchise QB and his meal ticket under the bus, that HC is a loser.

If anyone watched the story of the 1995 season during Cowboys Week last week, there was a telling story by Daryl Johnston who was told by his position coach that winning the Superbowl in 1995 was the single greatest feat he had witnessed. When Moose ask his coach why that was, he replied that the team won the Superbowl in spite of it's coaching.

There's nothing selective about it; Switzer was a horrendous hire and was also instrumental in destroying the fabric of a championship team.

Love how Switzer was flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct, turning a third and ten into third and 25 during a critical juncture during the 1994 NFC Champ game.

No doubt if Jimmy was the HC in 1994 we would have won 4 SBs in a row and a place in the History books .....

 

[Dodger12]

Love how Switzer was flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct, turning a third and ten into third and 25 during a critical juncture during the 1994 NFC Champ game.

No doubt if Jimmy was the HC in 1994 we would have won 4 SBs in a row and a place in the History books .....

Good catch John.....I was going to mention the penalty as well but it slipped my mind. It was more than just a missed 4th and 2 (twice).

 

[waving monkey]

So Jerry gets credit tie hiring the top college coach that happened to be a good friend of his. I would say that the decision was a no-brainer even for Jerry. I will give him credit for that one decision. I will also give Jerry credit for ruining the team that Jimmy built. If Jerry would have been involved with the personnel decisions during Jimmy's tenure like he is today, there would have been no great Dallas teams during the 90s.

but he did hire him

 

[visionary]

He says that is the case. Jones says he had the same power. Shall we discuss the meaning of mutual exclusivity?

One person clearly says what he means that he had control over personnel, the other produces some garbled words about having "the same power" make your talk of 'mutual exclusivity' ignorant at best and pathetic at worst

But it does not surprise me in the least because your man crush on all things Jerry blinds you to the facts

BTW, while you're looking up some meanings, I would consider looking up "cynicism" because your posts with your sig are the epitome of irony

 

[Risen Star]

Why can't we just change history so that everybody feels better?!