Tired of Jerry vs Jimmy

[OhSnap]

All the above, including Switzer, were instrumental to the decline of the team. Switzer never spoke out in support of his franchise QB when one of Switzer's staff started the rumor(s). Switzer and Aikman had no love lost between them. But Switzer was the HC and Aikman was his golden goose. You put a stop to it. Instead, John Blake gets the HC job at Oklahoma, no doubt with Switzer's blessing. There's nothing lame about it.

Maybe they thought he was gay? It's unusual for a Sb winning QB to not be married and have a kid. It's not Switzers duty to tell people they aren't allowed to voice their opinions or that Skip Bayless can't write what he wants in a book. This is nothing but sharks circling making something outta nothing because they already knew the history with Aikman transferring in college. It was a no win situation for Switzer from the beginning because if he wins a SB then it's because of Jimmy if he changes things around and tries to put his finger print on it and it fails he gets the blame. Jerry coulda done allot worse and he proved it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

One person clearly says what he means that he had control over personnel, the other produces some garbled words about having "the same power" make your talk of 'mutual exclusivity' ignorant at best and pathetic at worst

But it does not surprise me in the least because your man crush on all things Jerry blinds you to the facts

BTW, while you're looking up some meanings, I would consider looking up "cynicism" because your posts with your sig are the epitome of irony

Jones has talked endlessly on the subject and he has stated unequivocally that he had final say on all decisions.

What exactly did Johnson have written into his contract? You want to talk about garbled but if you do not know the answer to that question you are talking out of your ***.

It is known that both were involved with the Walker, Everett, and Haley trades.

You like many others just want to take the hyperbole from an angry control freak.

 

[Dodger12]

Maybe they thought he was gay? It's unusual for a Sb winning QB to not be married and have a kid. It's not Switzers duty to tell people they aren't allowed to voice their opinions or that Skip Bayless can't write what he wants in a book. This is nothing but sharks circling making something outta nothing because they already knew the history with Aikman transferring in college. It was a no win situation for Switzer from the beginning because if he wins a SB then it's because of Jimmy if he changes things around and tries to put his finger print on it and it fails he gets the blame. Jerry coulda done allot worse and he proved it.

When the "leaks" are coming from your staff, then you're complicit if you're the HC and do nothing. Switzer was called out by Aikman in a meeting and the two had words. Again, those are things you quell if you're a coach, especially if it deals with the undisputed leader and field general. Aikman was the man when Switzer arrived. These were deliberate attempts to put dents in his armor.

 

[Dodger12]

Why can't we just change history so that everybody feels better?!

It's insane. And this idea that Switzer was qualified and a good coach (after sitting on his *** for 4 years) while Johnson was "lucky" and never called any plays is beyond the Twilight Zone. Forget about the fact that Switzer was so good he never sniffed another coaching job after Dallas. But Jimmy was no good because he couldn't repeat the same level of success with Miami. Absolutely bizarre.

 

[jobberone]

And someone told me once that animals don't have fun or know how.

 

[theSHOW]

GM's and/or VP's of Football operations since 1996:

Washington
[SIZE=+0]Charley Casserly[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]Commanders[/SIZE] 1989 1999 General Manager
[SIZE=+0]Vinny Cerrato[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]Commanders[/SIZE] 2000 2009 Director of Player Personnel, Executive VP of Player Personnel/Football Operations
[SIZE=+0]Marty Schottenheimer[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]Commanders[/SIZE] 2001 2001 Head Coach/de facto General Manager
[SIZE=+0]Joe Mendes[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]Commanders[/SIZE] 2002 2002 VP of Football Operations
[SIZE=+0]Bruce Allen[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]Commanders[/SIZE] 2010 2013 Executive VP/General Manager

Detroit
[SIZE=+0]Chuck Schmidt[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]Lions[/SIZE] 1989 2000 General Manager
[SIZE=+0]Matt Millen[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]Lions[/SIZE] 2001 2007 President, President/General Manager
[SIZE=+0]Bill Tobin[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]Lions[/SIZE] 2001 2002 Director of Player Personnel
[SIZE=+0]Martin Mayhew[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]Lions[/SIZE] 2008 2013 Executive VP of Football Operations/General Manager, Senior VP/General Manager

Dallas
You know who...

None of us have achieved much of anything, but at least their owners have tried making changes at the top.

Yeah, and 1 team went 0-16 during that stretch and the other didn't win 1 division title. Oh they won 1 but they traded away a few years #1 draft picks that will set them back 5 seasons.....I'll take Jerry

 

[waving monkey]

I buy the car, but the mechanic keeps it running.

Do I get credit for buying the car?

Absolutely.

How about me hiring the mechanic.

Yep, that too.

But when the car breaks, and sits idly on the side of the road, not working at all, all my "credit" goes out the window until the mechanic fixes the car.

The Dallas car was broken. Jerry bought it as is. He hired a great mechanic.

Then he stepped out of the shop and allowed the mechanic to work.

To some, Jerry gets credit for hiring the mechanic.

To others, the guy who has the grease on his hands and kept the car at the front of the pack is to be held up as the most important of all.

Now if you want to slide this to the race car analogy, Jimmy picked all the parts to fix it up, turned the wrenches, and drove the car to the finish line.

Jerry signed checks in ink.

please wprk up a better analogy 2D3

 

[waving monkey]

And who are the interlocutors

Prove it's skewed.

Because I can produce a video where ESPN talks about Jimmy being the executive of the year. And while there are great numbers here that want to dismiss ESPN, they have access not one fan here at the Mason Dixon line has and knows more inside information than anyone here.

 

[waving monkey]

And who are the interlocutors

Prove it's skewed.

Because I can produce a video where ESPN talks about Jimmy being the executive of the year. And while there are great numbers here that want to dismiss ESPN, they have access not one fan here at the Mason Dixon line has and knows more inside information than anyone here.

 

[Redball Express]

I'm no "Jerry" guy... nor am I a "Jimmy" guy...

The fact of the matter is that the football gods came together for our early 90's run and it was glorious.

Jimmy got his wish in Miami and had good teams but also suffered the worst playoff loss in history...

The bottom line is these two are intrinsically joined. Great together, not so much apart...

To me..

Its all about the pressure they were both under trying to win.

Partners have a way of going their own way when one or the other grows tired of the other.

Should they have stayed together?

Sure.

Chances are Jimmy might have won 4 World Championships with that team.

But it wasn't to be.

Whatever.

 

[trickblue]

I buy the car, but the mechanic keeps it running.

Do I get credit for buying the car?

Absolutely.

How about me hiring the mechanic.

Yep, that too.

But when the car breaks, and sits idly on the side of the road, not working at all, all my "credit" goes out the window until the mechanic fixes the car.

The Dallas car was broken. Jerry bought it as is. He hired a great mechanic.

Then he stepped out of the shop and allowed the mechanic to work.

To some, Jerry gets credit for hiring the mechanic.

To others, the guy who has the grease on his hands and kept the car at the front of the pack is to be held up as the most important of all.

Now if you want to slide this to the race car analogy, Jimmy picked all the parts to fix it up, turned the wrenches, and drove the car to the finish line.

Jerry signed checks in ink.

Serenity now... serenity now...

You and I go a LONG way back... and mostly agree...

I WHOLLY appreciate Jimmy's contribution... but don't represent it in a bubble...

I dont like Jerry... but it is what it is....

 

[TwoDeep3]

Serenity now... serenity now...

You and I go a LONG way back... and mostly agree...

I WHOLLY appreciate Jimmy's contribution... but don't represent it in a bubble...

I dont like Jerry... but it is what it is....

Nice seeing you again.

Please explain this.

From 4:13 to about 5:20

All the way back to the DMN board. I have great respect for you. But please don't kill the messenger by suggesting ESPN doesn't know anything and those guys speaking have no clue.

By the way, Jerry is interviewed, doesn't contradict the talking head when he suggested this was Jimmy's fifteenth trade.

I suggest the hierarchy is exactly as Jimmy said. His contract allowed him to build the team.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nice seeing you again.

Please explain this.

From 4:13 to about 5:20

All the way back to the DMN board. I have great respect for you. But please don't kill the messenger by suggesting ESPN doesn't know anything and those guys speaking have no clue.

By the way, Jerry is interviewed, doesn't contradict the talking head when he suggested this was Jimmy's fifteenth trade.

I suggest the hierarchy is exactly as Jimmy said. His contract allowed him to build the team.

Not denying something in a national broadcast interview is not a confirmation.

You are using Chris Berman and Joe Theismann speculation as your evidence. Explain that.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Not denying something in a national broadcast interview is not a confirmation.

You are using Chris Berman and Joe Theismann speculation as your evidence. Explain that.

Glad to, they have stringers that get information from the team, plus they have access to the team that you and I do not have.

But of course since it sort of lays claim to the contract which gave Jimmy the power the first several years, as professed by Jimmy and others, it must be ESPN, the know nothing sports channel making an error.

Your assignment of speculation notwithstanding, Jimmy made comments in the DMN the second year he was here stating he was uncomfortable dealing with players and agents , tearing them down for contract purposes, and then trying to contradict that when they were on the practice field.

Galloway even wrote an article on it back in the day.

 

[OhSnap]

It's insane. And this idea that Switzer was qualified and a good coach (after sitting on his *** for 4 years) while Johnson was "lucky" and never called any plays is beyond the Twilight Zone. Forget about the fact that Switzer was so good he never sniffed another coaching job after Dallas. But Jimmy was no good because he couldn't repeat the same level of success with Miami. Absolutely bizarre.

Insane is trying to convince people that Barry Switzer was a bad coach because someone started a rumor about Troy Aikman being Gay and he didn't stop it and then trying to give Troy Aikmans super bowl trophy to a coach that hadn't been on the team in 2 years. Barry Switzer done what he was asked to do and if you don't think he had anything to do with winning the last super bowl then you must agree with Jerry that anybody could've coached the team.

 

[theSHOW]

Nice seeing you again.

Please explain this.

From 4:13 to about 5:20

All the way back to the DMN board. I have great respect for you. But please don't kill the messenger by suggesting ESPN doesn't know anything and those guys speaking have no clue.

By the way, Jerry is interviewed, doesn't contradict the talking head when he suggested this was Jimmy's fifteenth trade.

I suggest the hierarchy is exactly as Jimmy said. His contract allowed him to build the team.

Notice that when Jones is interviewed the description on the screen is "Owner * President * GM"

Nice video

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

While it is fun to slam Jones, it's not as if Johnson was swimming in success with Marino and Miami.

One explanation could be that they could not win without the other. Those 90's teams were a creation of both men and both men deserve credit.

Seriously?

Are you serious?

C'mon man, you cant be serious. If this were acknowledged the post count on this site would drop at least 50%. Then Romo and Red would be the only whipping boys and that just wouldnt be enough.

 

[noshame]

There is no question here, look at the cowboys then, and look at them since. Jerry has listened to the wrong people for the last two decades, mostly himself. We all know(if you were there at the time) who was responsible for the Aikman era rebuild and success.

It wasn't Jerry, close the thread.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

There is no question here, look at the cowboys then, and look at them since. Jerry has listened to the wrong people for the last two decades, mostly himself. We all know(if you were there at the time) who was responsible for the Aikman era rebuild and success.

It wasn't Jerry, close the thread.

How did Jimmy fare in Miami w/o Jerry?

Close the thread.

End of story.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Joey T is an idiot.