Titans probably have to cough that 4th rounder back up to the Cowboys(news)

[ThreeSportStar80]

Hmm, sound like a can of worms to me folks....

 

[theogt]

Noice.

 

[Valor]

When you lie down with dogs, ...

 

[jterrell]

You have to admit, it's a sad day when fans are actually defending a guy like this regardless of whether it's true or not ...It's pretty odd

It is a sad day when fans are wishing the guy ordered a hit just so he doesn't play for us.

Pacman is pretty stupid and I can see being against having him here but it is just as sad to wish ill upon him as it is to defend him. The guy is what he is, generally stupid, but not a murderer.

 

[InmanRoshi]

It is a sad day when fans are wishing the guy ordered a hit just so he doesn't play for us.

Maybe they're wishing he didn't play for us because he possibly ordered a hit.

I don't care if he's singlehandedly the difference between the Cowboys winning a Superbowl and going 3-13 ... If he had anything to do with someone being paralyzed for the rest of his life he needs to spend the rest of his life behind bars. Some things take precedence over sports.

 

[SMCowboy]

Maybe they're wishing he didn't play for us because he possibly ordered a hit.

I don't care if he's singlehandedly the difference between the Cowboys winning a Superbowl and going 3-13 ... If he had anything to do with someone being paralyzed for the rest of his life he needs to spend the rest of his life behind bars. Some things take precedence over sports.

There is absolutely NOTHING that has come out that in any way shape or form even BEGINS to possibly implement him in the guy getting paralyzed. Unless you believe that the guy that shot up the club even though he didn't know Jones just happened to bring a gun to the club at the same times Jones was getting kicked out, and decided to be nice and shoot up the club for Jones.

I am sorry, I think this was going to go down had Jones been kicked out of the club or not. It is just a coincidence that it happened all at the same time.

 

[superpunk]

When you lie down with dogs, ...

...you've probably got mental problems.

Because that is gross.

 

[ndanger]

Does anybody, anybody at all , not get the part where Adam Bernard Jones has been CLEARED by the Las Vegas authorities who are moving forward with this case? Jeebus if you don't want the guy on the team fine, I can understand that, but do we have to be the freakin' moral authority of a team we don't even own. If you don't like the Cowboys bringin' in folks that don't fit your moral compass, go root for Tony Dungy and the Payton Manning Choirboy Colt Band.
These guys are human beings, they make mistakes and some of them make more mistakes. You toss everyone out of society over mistakes they've made and next thing you know you got freakin' Donny Osmands of the world out there tossin' the rock. I'll go out on a limb here and say I doubt half us grumpy, gruffy,testosterone driven bastads would be in here peeing about angel food cake recipes.Any way That danged o' trickblue has my meds all outta wack over that JuJo/FeJo nickname thread crap, so that's why I'm rantin'. I mean come on we were free from that fourth grade girls ballet nickname forever I thought. ....JuJo ARE YOU KIDDIN' ME? I'M A MAN I'M 4O ! YOU WANT ME TO CHANT JUJO IN FRONT OF MY BUDDIES !

 

[BEMYDADJERRY]

hahahahahaha....well put...i'm in your boat all the way to TAMPA.....

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Maybe they're wishing he didn't play for us because he possibly ordered a hit.

I don't care if he's singlehandedly the difference between the Cowboys winning a Superbowl and going 3-13 ... If he had anything to do with someone being paralyzed for the rest of his life he needs to spend the rest of his life behind bars. Some things take precedence over sports.

Maybe you ordered the hit...

Its funny the more evidence comes out that hes innocent of what you accuse him of them more you make comments like this.

Facts:

1) He did not know the shooter.
2) He did not go to Vegas with the shooter.
3) He did not go to the club with the shooter.
4) Phone calls were made from the shooters house to Jones house.
5) The shooter states he doesn't know Jones and is being framed.
6) The shooters girlfriend stated she went and picked up money at the time when Jones' friend sent money.

I am sorry but anyone with half a brain should be able to figure it out at this point but for some reason you cannot let it go.

I fully expect for club employees to come out and point the finger at the shooter and you will still try to blame Pacman.

Its actually pretty sad to see the DRC flailing when there is no leg to stand on.

 

[Tex]

Don't believe Commish reinstates Pacman until the entire investigation ends with Pacman being cleared. If Pacman not reinstated this year, Titans will have to give back our 4th rounder in the 09 draft (should be higher pick then our own). However we retain Pacman's services despite all that. Jerry wrote a very good contract which totally covers us.

Actually from what I understood of teh FINAL trade terms which the commish altered before approving the trade btw. We can not gain a higher pick then we gave them. If their fourth is higher we get a fifth.

This came out like the day of the draft. I read the final terms here I believe.

Tex

 

[OILERMAN]

A few points from all the responses....

First of all people keep saying the police have "cleared" pacman jones. Thats not true. He accepted a plea bargain and agreed to help the police. Since Edwards was arrested there was quotes stating the investigation was ongoing and if anyone(Jones) is implicated the investigation would move in that direction.

Do I believe Edwards? Of course not. Do I believe Jones? Of course not.

But Jones story is a joke. Some stranger walked up to him out of the dark and said he was "gonna take care of it"? Then law abiding Jones decided he would pay this guy his money he was beating stripper up for to avoid harm?

Its also not just his word against pacmans word. I'm sure there are a tons of phone records and interviews out there that will either implicate Jones or clear him.

As for Edwards, there is no way he'd say Jones hired him to do, that would be admitting he shot the guy....lol, hello.

Whether Jones gets away with this or not the question is will Goodell re-instate him with this hanging around. Jones already extended the suspension for much less.

 

[SMCowboy]

A few points from all the responses....

First of all people keep saying the police have "cleared" pacman jones. Thats not true. He accepted a plea bargain and agreed to help the police. Since Edwards was arrested there was quotes stating the investigation was ongoing and if anyone(Jones) is implicated the investigation would move in that direction.

Do I believe Edwards? Of course not. Do I believe Jones? Of course not.

But Jones story is a joke. Some stranger walked up to him out of the dark and said he was "gonna take care of it"? Then law abiding Jones decided he would pay this guy his money he was beating stripper up for to avoid harm?

Its also not just his word against pacmans word. I'm sure there are a tons of phone records and interviews out there that will either implicate Jones or clear him.

As for Edwards, there is no way he'd say Jones hired him to do, that would be admitting he shot the guy....lol, hello.

Whether Jones gets away with this or not the question is will Goodell re-instate him with this hanging around. Jones already extended the suspension for much less.

For as much as you claim to know about the case, you really don't know ANYTHING. Here are a few points that you have wrong.

#1.) Even the police report says that Jones did NOT pay the guy when he walked by and said he would take care of it. He told the guy what ever. He didn't "pay the guy" till he threatened to hurt his family and they found out that the guy doing the threating was a convicted fellon for doing the EXACT things.

#2.) There are phone calls that PROVE that Edwards DID call Jones even though he ADMITS that he does not know Jones and says that he never asked for any money from Jones.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

A few points from all the responses....

First of all people keep saying the police have "cleared" pacman jones. Thats not true. He accepted a plea bargain and agreed to help the police. Since Edwards was arrested there was quotes stating the investigation was ongoing and if anyone(Jones) is implicated the investigation would move in that direction.

Do I believe Edwards? Of course not. Do I believe Jones? Of course not.

But Jones story is a joke. Some stranger walked up to him out of the dark and said he was "gonna take care of it"? Then law abiding Jones decided he would pay this guy his money he was beating stripper up for to avoid harm?

Its also not just his word against pacmans word. I'm sure there are a tons of phone records and interviews out there that will either implicate Jones or clear him.

As for Edwards, there is no way he'd say Jones hired him to do, that would be admitting he shot the guy....lol, hello.

Whether Jones gets away with this or not the question is will Goodell re-instate him with this hanging around. Jones already extended the suspension for much less.

Jones didnt pay him the money. He hung up on him and his friend paid him the money.

They dropped all charges related to Pacman Jones in regards to the shooting. After that you have to be completely biased to think that there is an investigation against Jones when there is absolutely no evidence of that.

The police have had their shooter for ever a week. They have interrogated him and after that there is noting against Pacman.

As for Pacman's story, that isnt what happened. First of all if you think that he made a contract for murder after drinking all night and getting bounced from a bar with a guy that he had never seen before that night you are simply daft. That is so ludicrous on so many levels.

If the shooter was out in the parking lot at that time it was because he got bounced too. Considering that he has been involved in shootings before it makes sense that he knew Jones was pissed went up to him after deciding on his own to shoot them and said that to him.

This notion that he got bounced and contracted the shooter to open fire for $15k in the few minutes that he had opportunity to do so that you guys are putting out there is dumb. The only way its even possible is if they knew each other beforehand which we know without a doubt they did not.

Now its a new tact for those that want to burn Pacman at the stake. Now its that this guy wasn't really the shooter but instead Pacman is framing him.

Too bad there are phone records that indicate this guy called Pacman from his house to Pacman's house at the time that Pacman said they were made. Actually everything that Pacman has stated has been corroborated so far. You may not believe him but that doesnt really matter when its being consistent with everything else.

 

[ilovejerry]

Pacman plays for us , will be reinstated .

 

[Beast_from_East]

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=8253592

Well I knew once that shooter was arrested and started talking Jones would be implicated. As someone who has followed Pacman I've always believed he had a hand in the shooting.

But the real question is will Goodell re-instate Jones while this investigation and trial is going on. I seriously doubt it.

The last thing Goodell is gonna want is in mid season to have Jones arrested or jailed.

I dont see a smoking gun here Oilerman, I see a guy sitting in a prision cell who got picked out of a lineup facing 3 counts of attempted murder trying to pin this whole thing on Pac.

Also, if I remember correctly, Pac agreed to a sealed plea deal in Vegas. I am pretty sure that his attorney added in that plea that Pac could not be charged again involving this incident.

Do you think Jerry would be dumb enough to make a trade like this without checking into all of these incidents? Jerry and the commish are tight and barring a confession on Pac's part, I see him reinstated for camp.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Hey all - If Pac man does not get reinstated, The Cowboys get a 2009 5th rounder from the Titans, despite giving up a 4th this year.

Pac Man will never play for the Cowboys.

First, I think you are incorrect with that statement. Multiple sources have stated Dallas gets a 4th if Pac is never reinstated, if he is reinstated and gets suspended again during the season, then Dallas would get a 5 back.

I could be wrong on this, but multiple sources have reported this. I have not seen one source state we get only a 5th is Pac is not reinstated. Where did you hear this?

Secondly, Pac will not only be reinstated, but he will be returning punts against Cleveland openning day. Jerry and he commish are tight and Jerry is owed for taking the blunt of the critizism for the NFL Network last year (He is the chariman of the committee that oversees the channel).

 

[Little Jr]

But Jones story is a joke. Some stranger walked up to him out of the dark and said he was "gonna take care of it"?

I've never shot someone for a stranger but I have wooped someones *** for a stranger. I told him the same thing. I'll take care of it.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Police do not determine guilt or innocence the court will do that and in the Edwards trial if nothing comes up to implicate Pacman then there is no problem. As for Goodell he said he has not assured the Cowboys Pacman will be reinstated or not.

You dont actually believe that pc crap, do you?

I find it very hard to believe that the commish didnt tell Jerry that Pac was going to be reinstated if he avoided any additional trouble.

Jerry and the Commish are tight and I am 100% sure that Roger spilled the beans to Jerry and that gave the green light for the trade.

 

[LarryCanadian]

Nobody has all the facts, cept maybe a police commissioner.

My betting mind says that odds are, we'll be getting our 4th round pick back in 2009 because there will be enough bad press and questions regarding all this to make reinstating PacMan look ridiculous to Joe Public.

The NFL will want to avoid looking soft, even if PacMan is found "innocent" of the major issues, and or there is enough "reasoble doubt" on the more minor affiliations. If the story gets big enough and there are more character/decision making issues raised (a la the rumor that commish didn't know about the extortion angle), then I believe the suspension will remain until everything quiets, and hence the pick back.

This one is bigger than dudes smoking pot or teammates calling someone "gay" in media.

LarryCanadian