Titans probably have to cough that 4th rounder back up to the Cowboys(news)

[trentmonster]

Reading the search warrant made me feel a lot better about that situation but I still feel like Pacman's NFL ticket will eventually be punched for good. Could be 3 years, could be 3 weeks. The dude just appears to be totally whacked.

And reading Mike Jenkin's draft story got me thinking about the exchanges between this year's draft picks and their families as they leave for their first camp.

Mom: "Call me every day sweetie and remember to drink plenty of water in the hot sun."
Dad: "Listen to your coaches son and do everything they tell you."
Both parents in unison: "And stay away from that Pacman guy!"

 

[Chocolate Lab]

This whole sordid story just sucks.

I don't really care if Pacman wiggled out of this legally. We all know that things happen all the time that the police and the lawyers don't have enough evidence to prove in a court of law... But that doesn't mean they didn't happen.

It's funny... If O.J. had been 23 when he hacked up those people, plenty of fans would welcome him to their team. I mean, the verdict was not guilty and he didn't serve any time, so he must not have done it, right?

Put me in the tiny minority with theebs that wishes Pacman would just go away. Why do we need him? It's not like the Skins or Eagles would be getting his talent... If we don't get him, nobody does.

 

[el_chevo]

Some of you need to wake up and quit hating so much. People, especially those who are currently behind bars, will say anything to get out of trouble. Will the police listen to a person who has a length rap sheet? Think about people, any credible attorney will bring it to the court's attention that the individual's testimony should not be accepted based on the fact that he already has a lengthy history. Some of you are quite ready to indict Pacman. Are we not innocent until proven guilty? For some of you, that does not apply. Should we wait until all the facts are known before rendering judgement?

 

[Doomsday101]

Again you continue to gloss over the cleared by police aspect. They already checked out his story, they've had the info for quite some time.

I'm not glossing over anything, I expect this man (edwards) will go to trail and if in that trial stories at this trial start changing of what took place then Pacman is going to be in a world of hurt.

 

[speedkilz88]

Some of you need to wake up and quit hating so much. People, especially those who are currently behind bars, will say anything to get out of trouble. Will the police listen to a person who has a length rap sheet? Think about people, any credible attorney will bring it to the court's attention that the individual's testimony should not be accepted based on the fact that he already has a lengthy history. Some of you are quite ready to indict Pacman. Are we not innocent until proven guilty? For some of you, that does not apply. Should we wait until all the facts are known before rendering judgement?

Also the fact that his girlfriend already admitted that she got the money for him, he's already proven to be lying.

 

[Doomsday101]

Some of you need to wake up and quit hating so much. People, especially those who are currently behind bars, will say anything to get out of trouble. Will the police listen to a person who has a length rap sheet? Think about people, any credible attorney will bring it to the court's attention that the individual's testimony should not be accepted based on the fact that he already has a lengthy history. Some of you are quite ready to indict Pacman. Are we not innocent until proven guilty. For some of you, that does not apply. Should we wait until all the facts are known before rendering judgement?

Right now I just don't think Pacman should be reinstated until this is put to rest.

 

[el_chevo]

Right now I just don't think Pacman should be reinstated until this is put to rest.

Good point...could be a possible distraction during the regular season.

 

[SMCowboy]

I don't know what evidence they have or from who and neither do you. Look Pacman has a long history so excuse me if I don't believe much of what Pacman Jones has to say right now. I don't think the Commissioner is going to reinstate him until all of this is put to rest and all accusation and allegation are addressed in this upcoming trial. Goodell has no reason to right now and the Cowboys don't need to be dealing with this until this is all put to rest. Once that happens then reinstate him and allow him to join the team until then no

No, I don't know what evidence that the police have. But I do know one thing, there is ZERO chance that a judge would sign an arrest warrant STRICTLY on Pacman's ID. Especially since at the very beginning Pacman was a prime suspect. Unless somehow there is evidence that Pacman could not have been involved at all (which I don't believe is the case).

And I don't put much faith in what Pacman has to say, criminals lie all the time. But, it is flat silly to pretend that the police cleared Pacman just because he said he didn't do it. And to pretend that the police are giving a single ounce of credibility to this guys story that he didn't do it.

Now, if this guy would come out with evidence that backed up his story, then there would be some teeth to this. But right now all we have is a suspect saying I didn't do it, I know nothing about it. And I can PROMISE you that unless some actually EVIDENCE comes up to backup this guys story absolutely NOTHING will come of this for Pacman.

It is like you and others in here expected the guy to admit that he shot the guy. Of course he is going to say he didn't do it. Everyone with any brain in there head at all knew the guy was going to atleast at first say he didn't do it and that Pacman was involved in some way.

And there is no way that Goodell can use the fact that someone who is on trial for attempted murder saying it wasn't him it was Pacman as reason to keep Pacman suspended if the police have cleared Pacman of all wrong doing. Goodell is already on record of saying that he wants to hear from Pacman again just to make sure that the story has not changed. But if you read the search warrant the story in their is EXACTLY the story that we heard when this first surfaced last week, so I don't see how there will be any change in the story.

 

[SMCowboy]

Good point...could be a possible distraction during the regular season.

What is there to put to rest? The police have cleared Pacman in the shooting. That means as far as the police are concerned this is put to rest as far as Pacman is concerned.

 

[VietCowboy]

if we could put pacman on some sort of home monitoring, it would lessen his chances of getting in trouble again.

I'm very cautious about PJ too. I think he doesn't think about the consequences of his actions. The fact that people give into his demands probably have not helped. I would love to get PJ on some sort of home detention and get some cognitive behavioral therapy.

 

[Chuck 54]

Unless Pacman is charged with a crime, Goodell will reinstate him because the conditions for reinstatement were, I presume, that he improve his act and stay out of trouble. This was all in the past...unless he actually gets arrested, if he has met the commish's requirements, then he should be reinstated.

 

[Doomsday101]

No, I don't know what evidence that the police have. But I do know one thing, there is ZERO chance that a judge would sign an arrest warrant STRICTLY on Pacman's ID. Especially since at the very beginning Pacman was a prime suspect. Unless somehow there is evidence that Pacman could not have been involved at all (which I don't believe is the case).

And I don't put much faith in what Pacman has to say, criminals lie all the time. But, it is flat silly to pretend that the police cleared Pacman just because he said he didn't do it. And to pretend that the police are giving a single ounce of credibility to this guys story that he didn't do it.

Now, if this guy would come out with evidence that backed up his story, then there would be some teeth to this. But right now all we have is a suspect saying I didn't do it, I know nothing about it. And I can PROMISE you that unless some actually EVIDENCE comes up to backup this guys story absolutely NOTHING will come of this for Pacman.

It is like you and others in here expected the guy to admit that he shot the guy. Of course he is going to say he didn't do it. Everyone with any brain in there head at all knew the guy was going to atleast at first say he didn't do it and that Pacman was involved in some way.

And there is no way that Goodell can use the fact that someone who is on trial for attempted murder saying it wasn't him it was Pacman as reason to keep Pacman suspended if the police have cleared Pacman of all wrong doing. Goodell is already on record of saying that he wants to hear from Pacman again just to make sure that the story has not changed. But if you read the search warrant the story in their is EXACTLY the story that we heard when this first surfaced last week, so I don't see how there will be any change in the story.

I expect this to go to trail and at the end if nothing comes out against Pacman then reinstate him you seem very sure that no one has perjured themselves and great I'm glad you are so trust worthy but given Pacman's reputation and the thugs he hangs out with I don't put it past anyone to flat out lie to keep Pacman out of trouble. And yes there is a way that Goodell can hold up reinstatement of Pacman Jones. If not for Pacman’s history I may feel like you but the man has been arrested 5 times since he was drafted I don’t have much faith in him

 

[Ren]

Well the problem is the arrested guys story is a lot more plausible than Pacmans story

That's got to be as low as credebility can possibly go when they guy arrested for shooting is more believable then pacman

 

[SMCowboy]

I'm not glossing over anything, I expect this man (edwards) will go to trail and if in that trial stories at this trial start changing of what took place then Pacman is going to be in a world of hurt.

Atleast one trial story is going to HAVE to change, and that is Edwards. He is saying that he didn't get ANY money from Pacman. But his girlfriend has already said that is NOT true.

You are acting like this is Pacman versus Edwards, and the police are looking to see who to believe and are leaning on Pacman's side. You are not getting it, the police have CLEARED Pacman. There is going to have to be a WHOLE lot more the stories changing for this to have any effect on Pacman. I don't know what evidence the police have, but JUST by reading the search warrant I can tell they have a WHOLE lot more evidence than JUST Pacman's story. And they have a LOT of evidence backing up Pacman's version of the story.

Here is what I know they have backing up Pacman's version of the story.
#1.) The girlfriends testimony
#2.) Money Order Reciepts
#3.) Testimony from one of Pacmans friends that he paid Edwards
#4.) Both Pacman and his friend knowing (or being very close) what Edwards calls himself when he doesn't even know Pacman.
#5.) Phone records showing Edwards called Pacman.
#6.) Obviously someone else who saw it and a description of the guy who did the shooting that did not match anyone in Pacman's "posse" that was with him when he got thrown out of the club.

 

[Idgit]

We can win without him and I am hoping if he is in more trouble or doesnt get reinstated Jerry will think twice about getting into these deals again.

and I wont be rooting for pacman to play poorly if he does have to be on this team, but I will be rooting for jenkins, scandrick and ball to be the 4th cb instead of him.

I just dont want him on this team and I do not want to have to root for him during games.

If Jerry didn't do these deals, we'd probably be a good team, but we wouldn't be a Superbowl favorite. For that reason alone I hope you're wrong about Pacman.

As for the players in question, they're in the league for the same reason everyone else is: because they have real talent. NFL rosters are littered with guys who aren't necessarily good people. Our team does more than most to help ours turn their troubled lives around. Our deals are structured not to hurt the franchise, and I believe we even extend some level of support services to former players who need it. What's not to like? IMNSHO, Jerry should get a lot more credit than he does for the support system he's setup and the choices that he's made to improve the team as a result.

 

[Doomsday101]

Atleast one trial story is going to HAVE to change, and that is Edwards. He is saying that he didn't get ANY money from Pacman. But his girlfriend has already said that is NOT true.

You are acting like this is Pacman versus Edwards, and the police are looking to see who to believe and are leaning on Pacman's side. You are not getting it, the police have CLEARED Pacman. There is going to have to be a WHOLE lot more the stories changing for this to have any effect on Pacman. I don't know what evidence the police have, but JUST by reading the search warrant I can tell they have a WHOLE lot more evidence than JUST Pacman's story. And they have a LOT of evidence backing up Pacman's version of the story.

Here is what I know they have backing up Pacman's version of the story.
#1.) The girlfriends testimony
#2.) Money Order Reciepts
#3.) Testimony from one of Pacmans friends that he paid Edwards
#4.) Both Pacman and his friend knowing (or being very close) what Edwards calls himself when he doesn't even know Pacman.
#5.) Phone records showing Edwards called Pacman.
#6.) Obviously someone else who saw it and a description of the guy who did the shooting that did not match anyone in Pacman's "posse" that was with him when he got thrown out of the club.

Police do not determine guilt or innocence the court will do that and in the Edwards trial if nothing comes up to implicate Pacman then there is no problem. As for Goodell he said he has not assured the Cowboys Pacman will be reinstated or not.

 

[Vintage]

We can win without him and I am hoping if he is in more trouble or doesnt get reinstated Jerry will think twice about getting into these deals again.

and I wont be rooting for pacman to play poorly if he does have to be on this team, but I will be rooting for jenkins, scandrick and ball to be the 4th cb instead of him.

I just dont want him on this team and I do not want to have to root for him during games.

What did you think about the draft?

 

[Angus]

The most important thing is that the man admits he and Adam Jones didn't know each other, IMO.

 

[SMCowboy]

I expect this to go to trail and at the end if nothing comes out against Pacman then reinstate him you seem very sure that no one has perjured themselves and great I'm glad you are so trust worthy but given Pacman's reputation and the thugs he hangs out with I don't put it past anyone to flat out lie to keep Pacman out of trouble. And yes there is a way that Goodell can hold up reinstatement of Pacman Jones. If not for Pacman’s history I may feel like you but the man has been arrested 5 times since he was drafted I don’t have much faith in him

You seemed determined that Pacman is involved in someway. But considering the guys story is that he didn't try and get any money out of Pacman and he didn't do the shooting. There would have to be more people that just Pacman's friends perjuring themselves. Starting with this Edwards girlfriend.

If you spent the time reading the search warrant, you would see that there is more evidence to backup Pacman's version of what happened that just Jones's or his "posses" statements. The police wouldn't have cleared Pacman if it was a he said she said case. They might have still persued this Edwards if they believe Pacmans story. But they wouldn't have cleared him. In the search warrant itself it says "an unidentified medium to light skinned black male with corn rowed braids wearing a baggy black t-shirt and unknown pants" so obviously someone got atleast SOME glimpse of the shooter and it is obvious by the descriptions given in the Search Warrant that he was NOT a part of Pacman's "posse" that was kicked out of the club.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

#2.) Money Order Reciepts

Yo!? You can pay for hits with money orders now? ?
Whoooah!.. I tell ya:laugh2: