Titans probably have to cough that 4th rounder back up to the Cowboys(news)

[SMCowboy]

Police do not determine guilt or innocence the court will do that and in the Edwards trial if nothing comes up to implicate Pacman then there is no problem. As for Goodell he said he has not assured the Cowboys Pacman will be reinstated or not.

If this guy has something to implicate Pacman, it is going to come out before trial. The trial (assuming there is one) is not Pacman Jones versus Arvin Edwards. It is The State of Nevada versus Arvin Edwards.

I don't know if this Arvin Edwards is guilty or not. But, I do know that the police are a certain as anyone can possibly be that Pacman is not involved. If they had any doubt what so ever that Pacman was involved they wouldn't have cleared him.

 

[SMCowboy]

Yo!? You can pay for hits with money orders now? ?
Whoooah!.. I tell ya:laugh2:

Where is this paying for hits coming from. Arvin Edwards (the suspect) is not saying that it was a hit. He is saying that he NEVER tried to get any money from Pacman and that he knows nothing about the shooting, as he didn't have anything to do with it.

And for the record, this is straight from the Search Warrant, "This was accomplished by two money order transactions from a Walmart story near Atlanta, Georgia to Sheena Saltz in Seattle Washington."

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

It only takes common sense to realize that Jones was behind the whole shooting. Jones gets embarrassed by a bouncer at the club, and is really pi**ed off, screaming, "I'm going to kill you!", or something to that effect, at some people at the club, including the bouncer.

Moments later, a man that several of the club's employee's recognized as a member of Jone's posse starts shooting into the doorway of the club, wounding three people. Later the club's security video tapes show the man was indeed with Jones.

This case is almost as open & closed as Ray Lewis' knifing of 3 Akron, Oh men. Oh, wait a minute. Ray walked away a free man. Maybe Pac should have his agent call Ray's lawyer, or OJ's 'Dream Team'.

Yeah, that's it. The cops are going to try to frame our poor guy because he's black. Man, why didn't I see it before. The nerve of the Las Vegas police department!

Send lawyers, guns, and money. The s**t has hit the fan.....

 

[Doomsday101]

If this guy has something to implicate Pacman, it is going to come out before trial. The trial (assuming there is one) is not Pacman Jones versus Arvin Edwards. It is The State of Nevada versus Arvin Edwards.

I don't know if this Arvin Edwards is guilty or not. But, I do know that the police are a certain as anyone can possibly be that Pacman is not involved. If they had any doubt what so ever that Pacman was involved they wouldn't have cleared him.

As I said we will see what take place in the trail. You are right this is the state of Nevada vs Edwards but Pacman has an involvement in this case and if anyone has purjured themselves then chances are it will come out in the trail. The state has evidence I'm sure the defense will present their facts.

 

[speedkilz88]

It only takes common sense to realize that Jones was behind the whole shooting. Jones gets embarrassed by a bouncer at the club, and is really pi**ed off, screaming, "I'm going to kill you!", or something to that effect, at some people at the club, including the bouncer.

Moments later, a man that several of the club's employee's recognized as a member of Jone's posse starts shooting into the doorway of the club, wounding three people. Later the club's security video tapes show the man was indeed with Jones.

This case is almost as open & closed as Ray Lewis' knifing of 3 Akron, Oh men. Oh, wait a minute. Ray walked away a free man. Maybe Pac should have his agent call Ray's lawyer, or OJ's 'Dream Team'.

Yeah, that's it. The cops are going to try to frame our poor guy because he's black. Man, why didn't I see it before. The nerve of the Las Vegas police department!

Send lawyers, guns, and money. The s**t has hit the fan.....

No, it takes common sense to actually read the police reports before thinking you have the facts. The shooter was not one of Pacman's posse.

 

[SMCowboy]

The state has evidence I'm sure the defense will present their facts.

The defense is not going to try and show Pacman did it, all they will try and show is that Edwards didn't do it..... Even if they do get a not guilty verdict, that doesn't show Pacman was involved.

Sure during the trial the defense COULD provide evidence that Pacman was the one that ordered the hit, or that Pacman himself was the one that did the shooting. Heck, the defense may come up with evidence that Micky Mouse ordered the hit. But what is the likely hood of that actually happening? You are acting like the police and Goodell and everyone should not be convinced that Pacman isn't innocent because some criminal to try and save himself is saying that Pacman was involved so now we need to not jump to any conclusions and put everything on hold till the guy is convicted.

While I personally wouldn't trust Pacman with or about anything, considering that the police cleared the him, I am going to need a whole lot more than just a suspects story to make me even begin to QUESTION if it is possible that Pacman was involved.

 

[CrazyMonster]

Police do not determine guilt or innocence the court will do that.

You obviously dont know how things work in Vegas....

 

[SMCowboy]

It only takes common sense to realize that Jones was behind the whole shooting. Jones gets embarrassed by a bouncer at the club, and is really pi**ed off, screaming, "I'm going to kill you!", or something to that effect, at some people at the club, including the bouncer.

Other that the fact that the description of the guy that did the shooting does not in any way match any of the members of Jones's "posse".

Moments later, a man that several of the club's employee's recognized as a member of Jone's posse starts shooting into the doorway of the club, wounding three people. Later the club's security video tapes show the man was indeed with Jones.

Wrong, the description of the shooter does not match anyone that was with Jones in the club at the time that it happened. And according to the police report none of the clubs security video cameras were working at the time.

This case is almost as open & closed as Ray Lewis' knifing of 3 Akron, Oh men. Oh, wait a minute. Ray walked away a free man. Maybe Pac should have his agent call Ray's lawyer, or OJ's 'Dream Team'.

You are right, when you look at the facts of the case that we have right now, it is very open and shut, Pacman was NOT involved in the shooting. Thus the police clearing Pacman almost immediately.

Yeah, that's it. The cops are going to try to frame our poor guy because he's black. Man, why didn't I see it before. The nerve of the Las Vegas police department!

Send lawyers, guns, and money. The s**t has hit the fan.....

Actually the suspect is saying Pacman (and obviously the police) framed him NOT the other way around. Try reading the reports and the Search Warrant.

 

[Doomsday101]

The defense is not going to try and show Pacman did it, all they will try and show is that Edwards didn't do it..... Even if they do get a not guilty verdict, that doesn't show Pacman was involved.

Sure during the trial the defense COULD provide evidence that Pacman was the one that ordered the hit, or that Pacman himself was the one that did the shooting. Heck, the defense may come up with evidence that Micky Mouse ordered the hit. But what is the likely hood of that actually happening? You are acting like the police and Goodell and everyone should not be convinced that Pacman isn't innocent because some criminal to try and save himself is saying that Pacman was involved so now we need to not jump to any conclusions and put everything on hold till the guy is convicted.

While I personally wouldn't trust Pacman with or about anything, considering that the police cleared the him, I am going to need a whole lot more than just a suspects story to make me even begin to QUESTION if it is possible that Pacman was involved.

I agree it will take more than Edwards story it is called a trail we will see what will come of it and as I said if people story start changing then all this talk of well the police cleared him which they cleared based on statement and if those statement in a trial change that is perjury.

Look do I think Pacman is capable of paying off people to help keep him out of trouble? You think this low life Edwards’s girlfriend may be low enough to sell out her boyfriend for a price? or that one of Pacmans crew would actually lie for him? I think all of that is within the realm of possibility so we will see how this trial goes and what comes out.

Until then I don’t see a need to rush for reinstatement by Goodell

 

[kmd24]

As I said we will see what take place in the trail. You are right this is the state of Nevada vs Edwards but Pacman has an involvement in this case and if anyone has purjured themselves then chances are it will come out in the trail. The state has evidence I'm sure the defense will present their facts.

If the defense has some sort of evidence that implicates someone else, they'd be a lot better off producing it prior to the trial.

 

[SMCowboy]

Look do I think Pacman is capable of paying off people to help keep him out of trouble? You think this low life Edwards’s girlfriend may be low enough to sell out her boyfriend for a price? or that one of Pacmans crew would actually lie for him? I think all of that is within the realm of possibility so we will see how this trial goes and what comes out.

Well, lets look at what we do know.
#1.) The description given of the shooter did NOT match anyone that was with Pacman at the club.
#2.) Police cleared Pacman before this "extortion" bit even come about.
#3.) One of Pacmans friends definately DID send money to Edwards girlfriend.
#4.) Edwards DID call Pacman around the same time that Pacman and his friend said that they were getting phone calls for the extortion money.
#5.) Both Pacman and Edwards are saying that they do NOT know each other.

Is it possible that Pacman was involved in this, sure. It is also POSSIBLE that someone dressed up as Mickey Mouse was the shooter. But, is it in any way shape or form likely? NO.....

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There were calls made from this guys house to Jones' house on file. His girlfriend stated that she went to go pick a money order at the time that according to Jone's his was sent.

This guy is a moron.

Whats almost as sad is that people around here aren't realizing that this guy is saying that he isn't part of Jones' entourage but rather Jones is trying to frame him.

The anti Pacman crew is failing to realize that their hopes were pinned on this guy coming out and saying Jones put him up to this. Well the guy didn't say that so now youre just latching onto whatever is possible.

 

[FCBarca]

You have to admit, it's a sad day when fans are actually defending a guy like this regardless of whether it's true or not ...It's pretty odd

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The most important thing is that the man admits he and Adam Jones didn't know each other, IMO.

ding ding ding.

Really at that point it should be an open and shut case.

 

[zeromaster]

It only takes common sense to realize that Jones was behind the whole shooting. Jones gets embarrassed by a bouncer at the club, and is really pi**ed off, screaming, "I'm going to kill you!", or something to that effect, at some people at the club, including the bouncer.

Moments later, a man that several of the club's employee's recognized as a member of Jone's posse starts shooting into the doorway of the club, wounding three people. Later the club's security video tapes show the man was indeed with Jones.

This case is almost as open & closed as Ray Lewis' knifing of 3 Akron, Oh men. Oh, wait a minute. Ray walked away a free man. Maybe Pac should have his agent call Ray's lawyer, or OJ's 'Dream Team'.

Yeah, that's it. The cops are going to try to frame our poor guy because he's black. Man, why didn't I see it before. The nerve of the Las Vegas police department!

Send lawyers, guns, and money. The s**t has hit the fan.....

If this is sarcasm, it's poorly delivered.

I'll bet $1.00 the jury selection process just loves you.

 

[sacase]

I guess some of you have never really tried to do any type of planning. The more complex it gets the greater chance of failure.

Look at some things you are suggesting. Often times the most simple explanation is the truth. Sorry, but Pac man is not going to jail and barring him doing something stupid between now and training camp he will be in camp with the 2008 Dallas Cowboys. Get over it, he is a Cowboy now.

 

[ndanger]

If the defense has some sort of evidence that implicates someone else, they'd be a lot better off producing it prior to the trial.

I believe it's called full disclosure.They would have to present any evidence before trial.
I'm no lawyer, but I did watch Court T.V., while staying at a Holiday Inn Express.

 

[dfense]

Sounds like some rock solid credibility there.

 

[dfense]

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=8253592

Well I knew once that shooter was arrested and started talking Jones would be implicated. As someone who has followed Pacman I've always believed he had a hand in the shooting.

But the real question is will Goodell re-instate Jones while this investigation and trial is going on. I seriously doubt it.

The last thing Goodell is gonna want is in mid season to have Jones arrested or jailed.

He's just trying to create some reasonable doubt. A triple shooting is hanging ove rhis head.

Edwards went on to tell the Channel 5 reporter that he thinks Pacman paid someone to "shoot that club up." He also said he had no reason to lie, which could be a bit of a stretch.
Being charged with three counts of attempted murder might be a decent reason to concoct a story, but we'll have to see how it plays out.

 

[ajk23az]

Alleged shooter says he was framed by Pacman Jones
02:22 PM CDT on Thursday, May 1, 2008

Associated Press
NASHVILLE, Tenn. – A man charged with shooting three people outside a Las Vegas strip club denies he was involved and accused suspended cornerback Pacman Jones of ordering the shooting and framing him to avoid identifying the real shooter.

Arvin Kenti Edwards of Renton, Wash., is being held in a Washington state jail on $1 million bail pending extradition to Nevada. He talked with WTVF-TV in Nashville by phone for a report that aired Wednesday.

Jones was traded to the Dallas Cowboys by Tennessee last week.

Edwards told the TV station in a telephone interview that Jones lied to police about the Feb. 19, 2007, shooting at the Minxx club that left an employee paralyzed and two other people wounded. Edwards said Jones paid someone for the shooting but that it wasn't him.

He accused the cornerback of lying to help his plea deal as Jones tries to return to the NFL. Jones was traded by Tennessee to Dallas last week.

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